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10/21/2008 11:36:52 AM · #276
Guys.... chill!!!

Did you really think you need more stress when you joined here??

DPC is for fun and learning and helping others... it is more human a community than one of those automated lifeless glam-websites. Lets take it for what it is and live in it!!

Happy shooting:-)

10/21/2008 11:40:10 AM · #277
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this will be a challenge with about 10 photos in it... and three will be dq'd because they were actually in a safari park.

Only if the photographer says so. Otherwise, how would we know to DQ it?


As far as I was aware unless the additional rules state 'you will be dq'd for DNMC' then you don't have to follow the 'guidelines'as DNMC is not usually DQ'able.
10/21/2008 11:40:17 AM · #278
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this will be a challenge with about 10 photos in it... and three will be dq'd because they were actually in a safari park.

Only if the photographer says so. Otherwise, how would we know to DQ it?


The animals won't match the vegetation. Do your homework!
10/21/2008 11:42:06 AM · #279
Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this will be a challenge with about 10 photos in it... and three will be dq'd because they were actually in a safari park.

Only if the photographer says so. Otherwise, how would we know to DQ it?


The animals won't match the vegetation. Do your homework!


What...you mean that the McDonald's sign off in the background may give it away? ;)
10/21/2008 11:44:50 AM · #280
Originally posted by posthumous:

The animals won't match the vegetation. Do your homework!

Only the dumbest chameleons are seen in plaid. ;-P
10/21/2008 11:45:11 AM · #281
Purple Wool Sock. No feet, no clotheslines. Purple to be defined by a majority vote prior to the challenge. Actual sock used by top five vote getters must be mailed (with its mate) to Langdon for verification. And if you don't stop the endless bickering, the rules will be amended to require it be shot in a public bathroom, with "public" to be defined by a majority vote prior to the defining vote for purple.

Off to levy my ones and twos now. Watch your scores plummet!! Bwaaaahhaaaahhaaaaa!
10/21/2008 11:45:29 AM · #282
OK, so on the next Zoo challenge can we submit animals in the wild?
10/21/2008 11:48:07 AM · #283
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this will be a challenge with about 10 photos in it... and three will be dq'd because they were actually in a safari park.

Only if the photographer says so. Otherwise, how would we know to DQ it?

I think from this day forward for every wildlife or bird or heck any challenge whatsoever that DPC should, in addition to submitting untarnished EXIF data, require every photographer to carry a GPS device and submit upon validation request the unaltered GPS log file that shows exactly what time and the precise GPS coordinates where the shot was taken. If the GPS log file does not match up exactly with the time information in the EXIF file you will be DQ'd.

Imagine how much fun we could have arguing about where a shot was taken, and whether the location was remote or wild enough to be a valid entry.

Votes: 101
Views: 169
Avg Vote: 5.7030
Comments: 6

10/21/2008 11:49:45 AM · #284
Gosh...9 comments in the first day...this challenge is definitely improving my sense of humor but unfortunately, not my score...YIKES! ;-)
10/21/2008 11:51:39 AM · #285
I think Yanko suggested way above that we have a REAL Wildlife challenge, but have a substantial timeframe to enter. Maybe the best way to do this is to split the Best of 2008 into exclusive categories with one being Wildlife. You would still have zoo shots in the challenge, but a well crafted shot of an animal in the context of its natural environment will trump even a nicely-composed zoo shot (I believe). It is just very hard to get them and doing so within a week is really more a matter of luck than effort.
10/21/2008 11:54:39 AM · #286
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by posthumous:

this will be a challenge with about 10 photos in it... and three will be dq'd because they were actually in a safari park.

Only if the photographer says so. Otherwise, how would we know to DQ it?

I think from this day forward for every wildlife or bird or heck any challenge whatsoever that DPC should, in addition to submitting untarnished EXIF data, require every photographer to carry a GPS device and submit upon validation request the unaltered GPS log file that shows exactly what time and the precise GPS coordinates where the shot was taken. If the GPS log file does not match up exactly with the time information in the EXIF file you will be DQ'd.

Imagine how much fun we could have arguing about where a shot was taken, and whether the location was remote or wild enough to be a valid entry.

Votes: 101
Views: 169
Avg Vote: 5.7030
Comments: 6


The GPS thing is a great idea, however, supposing you were looking to shoot for Wildlife V and were wandering around OUTSIDE the perimeter of a zoo, cause you wanted to preserve the integrity of the challenge and shoot a wild critter, and just happened to spot an escaped lion rounded the corner and filled your viewfinder...would you shoot? Or wouldn't you?
10/21/2008 11:57:20 AM · #287
Come on people! This is the 4th Wildlife Challenge and we have been over this every time! Go back and take a look and you will see that good shots win, period. I'm a wildlife guy that shoots out in the wild becasue I LIKE IT. I argued a bit about the zoo issue a few challenges ago but I got over it. I also can enjoy shots of zoo animals that are well done and without obvious zoo background. This is a great fun challenge for those of us who like this subject. Enjoy the shots.
10/21/2008 12:02:10 PM · #288
Originally posted by snaffles:

The GPS thing is a great idea, however, supposing you were looking to shoot for Wildlife V and were wandering around OUTSIDE the perimeter of a zoo, cause you wanted to preserve the integrity of the challenge and shoot a wild critter, and just happened to spot an escaped lion rounded the corner and filled your viewfinder...would you shoot? Or wouldn't you?


I was kidding people, I was kidding. It's a HORRIBLE idea, imho. :>)
10/21/2008 12:07:43 PM · #289
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

This is the 4th Wildlife Challenge and we have been over this every time!

Aww... I was hoping for a new wrinkle to argue about with the GPS thing for Wildlife V. There are some great turkeys and guinea fowl roaming wild in and around our local zoo. *sulks*
10/21/2008 12:19:41 PM · #290
Wow there are some great shots in this challenge!! I gave 5 10's and 11 9's - think thats the most I have given in 1 challenge. Theres lots of good shots too.
Will comment on a few more before the challenge ends

You have rated 159 of 159 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 5 images (3%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.6226
10/21/2008 12:38:12 PM · #291
You have rated 92 of 159 images (58%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 80 images (50%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 5.4891.

I'm loving alot of these photo, i think i've made like 15 predictions for top ten lol
10/21/2008 12:58:29 PM · #292
Originally posted by snaffles:


The GPS thing is a great idea, however, supposing you were looking to shoot for Wildlife V and were wandering around OUTSIDE the perimeter of a zoo, cause you wanted to preserve the integrity of the challenge and shoot a wild critter, and just happened to spot an escaped lion rounded the corner and filled your viewfinder...would you shoot? Or wouldn't you?


you would shoot and save it for the freestudy, obviously! :P

Sigh... just can NOT manage that last .02 to hit the 6.00
10/21/2008 01:05:51 PM · #293
Originally posted by scalvert:

Even if the conditions are different you will find wildlife in both places, and there's nothing to be gained rules-wise by telling people you took a studio shot out in the woods. This was a "wildlife" challenge, not an "in the wild" challenge. There's a good reason most zoos have signs reminding visitors that the animals are wild, and I suspect the clause about living in a natural natural environment is more aimed at preventing photos of stuffed museum exhibits and the like. I would consider a photo of monkeys on a rooftop in India to be their natural environment even though there's nothing natural about it.



Shannon my hamster was born in a cage in my room. Does that mean that it is wild in the context of this "it's natural environment" as you interpret it? So I can enter my hamster shot next time for wildlife??? yay!! Hammy makes the big time!!

As to your mention of signs reminding folks the animals are wild in a zoo, they mean wild as in "non-domesticated" not wild as in "still in the wild" which is what a wildlife challenge should be about.

That is the problem with dpc, everyone twists wording to make it as all inclusive as possible, and as a result we end up with a free study for every challenge because they are so widely interepreted, and those that try to stay within the spirit of the challenge get ticked off and leave, further watering down the dpc talent level, as has been debated in many other threads so please do not debate that here.

I have not entered this challenge, and was not going to vote on it either, but of course now I have to, to be able to support those that truely know what wildlife is.
10/21/2008 01:07:07 PM · #294
Has a scores thread ever been moved to Rant??
10/21/2008 01:07:32 PM · #295
There are zoo challenges for those that want to shoot in zoos, and as I mentioned in my original post a couple pages back, some of them are outstanding shots.

However zoo shots are for zoo challenges, and wildlife challenges are for wildlife challenges.
10/21/2008 01:13:04 PM · #296
Think I'll put this thread on ignore and just go hit the update button every five minutes. :-)
10/21/2008 01:19:37 PM · #297
Originally posted by basssman7:

That is the problem with dpc, everyone twists wording to make it as all inclusive as possible, and as a result we end up with a free study for every challenge because they are so widely interpreted...

Try entering a shot of your hamster in his cage and see how much of a Free Study it is. At least one member I know of had an attitude similar to yours and proceeded to mark down "zoo shots" and reward "in the wild shots" in the last Wildlife challenge. He ended up marking down some wild animals and rewarding some zoo shots, thereby proving the futility of that mindset.
10/21/2008 01:23:34 PM · #298
Originally posted by Melethia:

Has a scores thread ever been moved to Rant??


lol
10/21/2008 01:29:29 PM · #299
Originally posted by basssman7:

That is the problem with dpc, everyone twists wording to make it as all inclusive as possible, and as a result we end up with a free study for every challenge because they are so widely interepreted, and those that try to stay within the spirit of the challenge get ticked off and leave, further watering down the dpc talent level, as has been debated in many other threads so please do not debate that here.


There's the irony again. Usually, it is complaining about people making the challenge too restrictive, having closed interpretations, and not thinking beyond the description.

10/21/2008 01:29:51 PM · #300
[/quote]I have not entered this challenge, and was not going to vote on it either, but of course now I have to, to be able to support those that truely know what wildlife is. [/quote]

Oh no - hang on it's going to be a bumpy downhill ride for me....
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