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03/12/2008 03:38:30 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by Melethia:
Come on people, be brave! Comment the first 20% you vote! Or 10% if that's too intimidating. |
I plan on commenting on as many as I can (famous last words), although for many I don't like I fear I won't be able to say much more than "I like that" (or "I don't)! The pictures in this challenge seem to be to be best judged on a visceral, gut level reaction, so I either like it or I don't. Sometimes its just hard to explain *why* you like something or you don't. It just is.
PS -- judging on a gut level reaction does not mean judging quickly. I've actually spent longer looking at each individual picture in this challenge than I do in most, because it takes time to understand (and appreciate, or not) what the photographer was doing. |
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03/12/2008 03:39:56 PM · #52 |
I've substituted the word "mess" with the word "meaning" Not exactly but I think the word mess was a really bad choice on a number of levels, so I'm left with my own definition and many images that I've seen so far are pretty good, to my eye.
I entered a blurred image but not a mess and not too much chaos but I'm open to anything where the techinique has some purpose and works. |
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03/12/2008 03:42:36 PM · #53 |
Votes: 87
Views: 117
Avg Vote: 3.8046
Comments: 2
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 03/12/08 03:10 pm
This score is a heinous crime considering the fact the rules do not specifically say, "Nothing may be distinguishable, even in soft focus!" Yet, it does say that with the blur "...and still have it be engaging and interesting."
With all the comments I have gotten that say, "This needs to be in focus..." I almost gave you one of my "normal" photos. Now, I'm really glad that I changed my mind in the last couple of hours before "closing time."
As long as I can't find a WPL team to help coach to the great scores, I will apparently...always be "bringing up the rear!" It's not how much you know! It's who you know! :/
Message edited by author 2008-03-12 15:44:10.
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03/12/2008 03:48:42 PM · #54 |
This is interesting discussion. I think viewers need to connect with the subject by recognizing something about it - yet still be disconnected enough to allow it to meet the challenge.
Message edited by author 2008-03-12 15:49:07. |
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03/12/2008 03:53:55 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by raish:
As a rule - and pretty much most of the time - we try to avoid blur and we try to 'organise', or at least compose our pictures. I suppose one could even go as far as to say that one of the most frequently evident benefits of photography, and as such a quality which we often strive to obtain, is the capturing of the moment. This could, again, be said to be a respite from chaos, as in the essential chaos of moments being fleeting and then being followed by other moments which are not the same as the previous moments. Not that they last either.
So yes, this blurry, chaotic challenge does run against the grain of what photographers usually do.
Even so, if you look through the entries you can hardly fail to see those that are successful, not in capturing the frozen moment that is essentially unreal and only exists because of cameras' ability to capture it, but in capturing or portraying some of the chaotic flow of things in which we really do live.
Actually quite a few manage to capture that and leave you wishing they hadn't. It's the ones that retain or achieve interest and engagement that are the reason for being here. |
You could even say...that capturing the chaos of the moment is even more difficult to do than capturing the perfect documentary moment photogs usually strive for. Who can say for sure what, exactly, a given moment really looks like? Our brains are so busy making logical sense of everything we see. [eta] Like fanning the pages of a flip-book & seeing the animated cartoon, NOT the moving pages.
Message edited by author 2008-03-12 15:58:24. |
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03/12/2008 03:55:59 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by metatate:
This is interesting discussion. I think viewers need to connect with the subject by recognizing something about it - yet still be disconnected enough to allow it to meet the challenge. |
Votes: 84
Views: 115
Avg Vote: 5.3571
Comments: 1
So, am I in Ribbon territory?
I agree with that. My image doesn't have enough disconnect and that was the gamble or the line to draw. How far can you go or push the subject before people will get lost. |
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03/12/2008 04:01:48 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by metatate:
This is interesting discussion. I think viewers need to connect with the subject by recognizing something about it - yet still be disconnected enough to allow it to meet the challenge. |
Votes: 84
Views: 115
Avg Vote: 5.3571
Comments: 1
So, am I in Ribbon territory?
I agree with that. My image doesn't have enough disconnect and that was the gamble or the line to draw. How far can you go or push the subject before people will get lost. |
Everyone has a different point at which they give up on making something out of an abstract image. Rorschact images don't work for everyone. Not everyone sees the dragon in the cloud-shapes in the sky. But it is sweet when you capture one, or find one, that works. |
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03/12/2008 04:05:37 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
As long as I can't find a WPL team to help coach to the great scores, I will apparently...always be "bringing up the rear!" It's not how much you know! It's who you know! :/ |
Calm down now. There are plenty of people outside of WPL who would be willing to give feedback on your picture before you enter it. Suppose, for example, you asked for help in another thread and I responded. (You might look at my portfolio and decide you're better off without my help, but let's assume you're crazy enough to accept.) To abide by the rules of DPC, since I know which photo is yours, I simply would not vote on your picture if I voted in the challenge.
You don't need WPL to get help with making your pictures score higher.
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03/12/2008 04:10:36 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by 777STAN:
As long as I can't find a WPL team to help coach to the great scores, I will apparently...always be "bringing up the rear!" It's not how much you know! It's who you know! :/ |
Stan - check your e-mail! |
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03/12/2008 04:11:42 PM · #60 |
| I've commented on the first 20% of the images dealt to me in voting. I'll vote the rest and hopefully get a chance to come back and comment on more, too. I'm quite enjoying it! |
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03/12/2008 04:18:08 PM · #61 |
I am totally enjoying how much this is challenging me as a voter/commenter!
Why should the challenge in "challenge" always be cast upon the image maker...?
I dunno, Joe, whaddya think?
(...and, yeah, I do like talking to myself. So what?) |
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03/12/2008 04:20:25 PM · #62 |
This is the worst challenge I have seen on DPC.
I just started voting and commenting and gave up after around 15 images. So many do not meet challenge, or, the shooter forgot the part about keeping it interesting...
I started dishing out so many low scores as a lot of them just can't be evaluated for technical merit etc. |
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03/12/2008 04:51:27 PM · #63 |
Getting there slowly!!
I am enjoying most of the images so far ... though I am going to have to limit the number of words in my comment or I'm going to be here a while!! It was fun taking the pictures and interesting to see different peoples interpretations.
Personally I keep the challenge description open whenever I am scoring a challenge, I find it helps me remember exactly what the challenge was
You have rated 36 of 294 images (12%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 34 of 294 images (12%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.3611. |
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03/12/2008 04:55:51 PM · #64 |
You people are unbelievable. All I am getting is "no blur" comments. There is enough motion blur in my photo that I would have, under normal circumstances, chucked the photo. I would have been better off standing in my driveway, opening my shutter and swinging the camera around by its strap for 60 seconds and thereby creating a big old blob. Instead, I choose a relatively good shot that is screwed because of environmental issues and I get "not blurry".... Maybe I should throw it into another of this week's challenges... and just compare the "tooooo blurry" comments to the "not blurred" comments.
I'd like to know exactly what recipe you all use in deciding what to score a photo by the AMOUNT of blur. |
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03/12/2008 04:56:14 PM · #65 |
I think this was a great CHALLENGE. I mean, how easy is it to shoot a blurry image and have it come out compelling?! Pretty damn difficult, I'd say. I didn't enter, but I'm enjoying seeing some images that really are intriguing! Many are just out of focus, dark or shaky... but there are some that really look like art!
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03/12/2008 04:59:37 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by darnold:
You people are unbelievable. All I am getting is "no blur" comments. There is enough motion blur in my photo that I would have, under normal circumstances, chucked the photo. I would have been better off standing in my driveway, opening my shutter and swinging the camera around by its strap for 60 seconds and thereby creating a big old blob. Instead, I choose a relatively good shot that is screwed because of environmental issues and I get "not blurry".... Maybe I should throw it into another of this week's challenges... and just compare the "tooooo blurry" comments to the "not blurred" comments.
I'd like to know exactly what recipe you all use in deciding what to score a photo by the AMOUNT of blur. |
Everyone is using their own recipe to vote.
For me, I am looking for shots with NOTHING in focus as the most befitting for this challenge idea; and, within those, I am looking for the most intriguing and artistic shots to rate with higher scores.
I think that blurry is different than out of focus... when it comes to my taste in art. That's just me :)
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03/12/2008 05:03:48 PM · #67 |
composing interesting blurry images is a challenge. A lot of the things you cling to normally go away - like subject sharpness or lines/textures. That gets stripped away leaving mostly shape and colour to compose with.
So you have to do a good job of composing with shape or feel and a great job of managing colour relationships.
They type of motion becomes a big compositional element too.
Doing it well is usually a lot more considered than just throwing it out of focus or shaking the camera around.
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03/12/2008 05:12:36 PM · #68 |
You have rated 11 of 293 images (4%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 9 images (3%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 7.0909.
I've just come across an excellent abstract. Wow. Slow voting. But fun. |
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03/12/2008 05:23:11 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I've just come across an excellent abstract. Wow. Slow voting. But fun. |
The abstracts are not so "engaging and interesting" (from challenge description) IMO. I prefer a hint, at least, of what was in front of the camera when the exposure was made. |
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03/12/2008 05:33:43 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
I've just come across an excellent abstract. Wow. Slow voting. But fun. |
The abstracts are not so "engaging and interesting" (from challenge description) IMO. I prefer a hint, at least, of what was in front of the camera when the exposure was made. |
I'm fond of abstracts, because I can see different things at different times, according to my mood. That's what makes it 'engaging & interesting' to me. "D |
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03/12/2008 05:36:33 PM · #71 |
Is anybody surprised the scores are low on this? You shouldn't be. For the score oriented individual this challenge was a minefield. It's not that everybody is going out giving 2s and 3s to everything, it's because there is a wide variety of opinion as to what qualifies as a good entry. Some are looking for purely abstract, others for blurry but recognizable, still others have other opinions. When there is no general consensus average scores drop.
Look at it this way:
In a Wildlife challenge 90% of people may have had a roughly similar view of what kind of picture qualifies (needs to have an animal and shouldn't be obviously behind bars). A consensus is built and the pictures that are excellently done which qualify above have 90% of the people NOT voting low (really high scores, believe it or not, are more about avoiding low votes than gaining high ones).
In the Blurry mess challenge 30% of people are looking for abstract colors and shapes, 30% are looking for recognizable objects made interesting by blur, 30% are looking for something else. No consensus is gained and at most your own picture (which only qualifies for one of the above) has the "no low vote" support of only 30% of the voters. In fact, the other 30% groups may be MORE inclined to vote you low because you don't qualify under their schema.
In the end there will still be a winner. The score, however, will be low. I predicted before the challenge it may be an all-time low for blue (competing with affluence). We'll see if that actually happens, but I won't be surprised.
Message edited by author 2008-03-12 17:37:22.
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03/12/2008 05:38:57 PM · #72 |
The entries are pretty much exactly what we should have expected from an Open Challenge on such a difficult theme. A large percentage of images are blurry without interest, a small percentage are not blurry but interesting, and a very small percentage are both artistically blurry and visually appealing.
I was mostly surprised by the number of images that are just plain bad. Shots you would throw out if you got them off a disposable camera. Tough competition for the brown ribbon this time. |
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03/12/2008 05:40:14 PM · #73 |
| Just got done voting...I'm dizzy! |
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03/12/2008 05:45:06 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Is anybody surprised the scores are low on this? You shouldn't be. For the score oriented individual this challenge was a minefield. It's not that everybody is going out giving 2s and 3s to everything, it's because there is a wide variety of opinion as to what qualifies as a good entry. Some are looking for purely abstract, others for blurry but recognizable, still others have other opinions. When there is no general consensus average scores drop. |
I think (as I said when it was announced) that the term 'mess' hasn't helped things. My image is all blurry, but I got a comment to the effect that it wasn't messy enough - 'too neat'. It always seemed like a loaded title, sort of like 'Generic, Boring, Traditional Ansel Adams Clone Landscape IV' would be.
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03/12/2008 05:56:21 PM · #75 |
What a refreshing change ! I think some of the entries may be off the mark but there are a lot of very good entries in this challenge. I dont believe it is hard to score - I see no difference in scoring in this than any other challenge - its the same mix of poor > very good > excellent.
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