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12/30/2007 11:36:12 PM · #26
Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by langdon:

Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography.


Does this mean if we took 10 shots of the sky over a few hours and combined them so we had 10 moons in the sky that would be legal now?

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Entries like this one would also be illegal: .


Would this be illegal now because a specific object was not desaturated? Or is there some other reasoning that is applied in the new rules?


I may have misspoken on this. We're discussing it and should be able to answer shortly. It turns out that the specific clause I was looking at to say this is illegal didn't change in this revision.

~Terry
12/30/2007 11:39:04 PM · #27
Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by langdon:

Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography.


Does this mean if we took 10 shots of the sky over a few hours and combined them so we had 10 moons in the sky that would be legal now?

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Entries like this one would also be illegal: .


Would this be illegal now because a specific object was not desaturated? Or is there some other reasoning that is applied in the new rules?


I never understood how that was ever legal. It creates shapes something that has always been explained in the forums as something you can't do.
12/30/2007 11:39:44 PM · #28
sorry just a little confused maybe a dumb question here but in an advanced challenge....... Are you saying that entering an HDR photo made up of 3 different exposures is LEGAL now? And if so and we won a challenge would we then email you the 3 that made up the HDR?
12/30/2007 11:40:29 PM · #29
Originally posted by digitalpins:

sorry just a little confused maybe a dumb question here but in an advanced challenge....... Are you saying that entering an HDR photo made up of 3 different exposures is LEGAL now? And if so and we won a challenge would we then email you the 3 that made up the HDR?

Yes!
12/30/2007 11:41:52 PM · #30
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by langdon:

Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography.


Does this mean if we took 10 shots of the sky over a few hours and combined them so we had 10 moons in the sky that would be legal now?

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Entries like this one would also be illegal: .


Would this be illegal now because a specific object was not desaturated? Or is there some other reasoning that is applied in the new rules?


I never understood how that was ever legal. It creates shapes something that has always been explained in the forums as something you can't do.


As this has been discussed at length in another thread, I don't want to get off-topic with discussion of any specific entry's legality under the previous rules.

~Terry
12/30/2007 11:42:15 PM · #31
lol thanks...sorry about that I just read the rules over again and I just answered my own dumb question here.. thanks anyway scalvert

thats awesome that we can enter HDR's
12/30/2007 11:43:41 PM · #32
Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by jdannels:

Also, lets say you have a scene that needs a long exposure say a night scene. You do the long exposure without a model in it. Could you then take a shot of the model in the scene and place them in it where they are standing in the second exposure even though they weren't in both shots? THanks for the size bump too!


I don't think Joe's question was answered. I'm guessing you can't take a photo of a landscape and then another one with the model in the landscape as that would not be the "same basic scene". Correct? If I'm right about that then would it also hold true if you capture a bird in one of the captures but not in the others? What about a flock of birds? I'm guessing this would be a grey area or is it cut and dry?

You are correct. If you introduced a model or object on one (or some) of the frames, then it's not a single scene. I suppose if a bird or flock of birds flew through the frame, it would probably be OK since it's a natural progression of a single scene, and not something the photographer introduced.
12/30/2007 11:48:40 PM · #33
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by zbill1:

Select an area and change level or color is legal now, right?


It is and was before. Under the new version of the rules, though, you may saturate, desaturate or color-shift your entry or existing objects within it. This means, for example, that you can turn a stop sign green, but you can't create a rainbow. Entries like this one would also be illegal: .

~Terry

I don't understand. Why is partial desaturation not allowed anymore in advanced rules?
12/30/2007 11:49:19 PM · #34
Sooo, no multiple selves?
12/30/2007 11:50:50 PM · #35
WoW - I like the updates and editing changes. Great Job!

Another thing I would of liked to have seen implemented, Keyboard Voting!

But thanks for all the enhancements.

SDW

Message edited by author 2007-12-30 23:52:23.
12/30/2007 11:54:19 PM · #36
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by Nuzzer:

Originally posted by langdon:

Mainly, combining multiple captures to allow for things like true HDR, noise reduction, and time-lapse photography.


Does this mean if we took 10 shots of the sky over a few hours and combined them so we had 10 moons in the sky that would be legal now?

Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Entries like this one would also be illegal: .


Would this be illegal now because a specific object was not desaturated? Or is there some other reasoning that is applied in the new rules?


I may have misspoken on this. We're discussing it and should be able to answer shortly. It turns out that the specific clause I was looking at to say this is illegal didn't change in this revision.

~Terry


Ok, the word seems to be that under the previous rules, this type of edit was generally illegal. This entry was allowed on a very close split decision, based in part on the rationale that the edit didn't fool the viewer (anyone seeing it knew what they were looking at), and that the challenge description invited such edits. Similar edits would likely be ruled illegal in the future.

Originally posted by JuliBoc:

I don't understand. Why is partial desaturation not allowed anymore in advanced rules?


It is, but you have to desaturate, saturate or color-shift existing shapes. To quote my previous example, you can turn a stop sign green, but you can't create a rainbow out of nothing.

~Terry
12/30/2007 11:54:26 PM · #37
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Sooo, no multiple selves?


Yes sir. We're trying to keep the impossible-type-photography in Expert.
12/30/2007 11:54:55 PM · #38
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Sooo, no multiple selves?


Not unless there are actually two of you *shudder*

~Terry

Message edited by author 2007-12-30 23:55:07.
12/30/2007 11:56:03 PM · #39
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by yanko:

Originally posted by jdannels:

Also, lets say you have a scene that needs a long exposure say a night scene. You do the long exposure without a model in it. Could you then take a shot of the model in the scene and place them in it where they are standing in the second exposure even though they weren't in both shots? THanks for the size bump too!


I don't think Joe's question was answered. I'm guessing you can't take a photo of a landscape and then another one with the model in the landscape as that would not be the "same basic scene". Correct? If I'm right about that then would it also hold true if you capture a bird in one of the captures but not in the others? What about a flock of birds? I'm guessing this would be a grey area or is it cut and dry?

You are correct. If you introduced a model or object on one (or some) of the frames, then it's not a single scene. I suppose if a bird or flock of birds flew through the frame, it would probably be OK since it's a natural progression of a single scene, and not something the photographer introduced.


So could a shot that included a person walking by be considered a natural progression of a single scene if what you are shooting is a street scene? I ask because I know you like answering these hypotheticals. :P


Message edited by author 2007-12-30 23:58:08.
12/30/2007 11:57:58 PM · #40
Originally posted by SDW:

Another thing I would of liked to have seen implemented, Keyboard Voting!


It's being worked on, but it wasn't quite ready to go live. We wanted to get the rules revision and the rest of the changes in place in time for tonight's rollover, and the new year. Expect to see keyboard voting very soon.

~Terry
12/30/2007 11:59:24 PM · #41
And Season II of the DPL will be announced when??????
12/31/2007 12:04:16 AM · #42
Originally posted by yanko:

So could a shot that included a person walking by be considered a natural progression of a single scene if what you are shooting is a street scene? I ask because I know you like answering these hypotheticals. :P

That would take more than one SC's opinion to answer. "The allowance for “natural subject motion” above is intended to permit time-lapse photography." My guess is that if such a shot came up, you'd probably have some SC calling it time-lapse and others saying it was staged, with the photographer introducing an object. Are you a gambling man? ;-)
12/31/2007 12:09:29 AM · #43
It's great to see true HDR added to the rules. Will we be getting an HDR gallery to go along with it?
12/31/2007 12:12:32 AM · #44
I may of missed this.

In the use of multiple images, with time lapse, can the subject move?

Can the eraser tool then be used?

Does time lapse have to be separate, defined, framed images?

Is stitching allowed?
12/31/2007 12:14:38 AM · #45
Damn! I guess I'm finally going to have to go out and buy the Tone Mapping Software.

edit: oh yeah, and read that section of the D200 manual on double exposures I have been ignoring.

Message edited by author 2007-12-31 00:17:41.
12/31/2007 12:16:05 AM · #46
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by SDW:

Another thing I would of liked to have seen implemented, Keyboard Voting!


It's being worked on, but it wasn't quite ready to go live. We wanted to get the rules revision and the rest of the changes in place in time for tonight's rollover, and the new year. Expect to see keyboard voting very soon.

~Terry


Thanks
12/31/2007 12:19:01 AM · #47
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:

I may of missed this....

The idea is that you use a tripod to photograph a single scene. It can be a static scene (HDR or noise reduction) or an action scene (time-lapse), but you can't create composites from different scenes or add objects to some of the frames.

Message edited by author 2007-12-31 00:19:14.
12/31/2007 12:20:17 AM · #48
So the type of time lapsed motion/action captures similar to what's been done by the famous photographer named "Eadweard J. Muybridge (April 9, 1830 – May 8, 1904)", is legel now???

Little did he know, that he was the actual inventor of animated .gif
(Wow, that's my birthday, too. April-9)
12/31/2007 12:20:18 AM · #49
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:

I may of missed this....

The idea is that you use a tripod to photograph a single scene. It can be a static scene (HDR or noise reduction) or an action scene (time-lapse), but you can't create composites from different scenes or add objects to some of the frames.


OK, that answer part of my post.

What about the rest?
12/31/2007 12:21:05 AM · #50
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by fotomann_forever:

Sooo, no multiple selves?


Not unless there are actually two of you *shudder*

~Terry


LMAO, fair enough :-D
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