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02/24/2007 03:50:59 PM · #1 |
| hey, im stuck in between these two cameras. both are reletivly the same price(-+200). keep in mind the money needed for lenses. but with that in mind, performance wize, which would be the best bang for my buck. thanxs |
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02/24/2007 03:52:12 PM · #2 |
This is REALLY EASY.
Nikon D80. It's widely regarded as a better (not by much) camera over the 30D.
Good luck. |
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02/24/2007 04:03:57 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by PurpleFire:
This is REALLY EASY.
Nikon D80. It's widely regarded as a better (not by much) camera over the 30D.
Good luck. |
I was not aware it was widely regarded as better:/ I don't think you can go wrong with either. I love my 30d and the d80 has nothing I don't have (that I want) except for the image overlay stuff. What lens do you want? they will last longer than the camera. |
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02/24/2007 04:11:07 PM · #4 |
Pentax K10D is reported to give both a close run for the money...worth a look at before falling into the Canon/Nikon trap!
Plus it is weather proofed/dust proofed. Anti shake sensor, sensor dust removal...
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 16:12:20. |
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02/24/2007 04:14:56 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Elvis_L:
Originally posted by PurpleFire:
This is REALLY EASY.
Nikon D80. It's widely regarded as a better (not by much) camera over the 30D.
Good luck. |
I was not aware it was widely regarded as better:/ I don't think you can go wrong with either. I love my 30d and the d80 has nothing I don't have (that I want) except for the image overlay stuff. What lens do you want? they will last longer than the camera. |
Two magazines in the UK (Digital Camera Magazine & Practical Photography) both did head-to-head tests/reviews of the D80 vs 30D (as well as the D80 vs 400D) and the Nikon D80 won on less noise at increased ISO and better colour across the dynamic range, but you are right nothing to choose between them.
I like Nikon because the body 'feels' better in my hands over the Canon. pure and simple.
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02/24/2007 04:17:45 PM · #6 |
Side-by-side specs
Research lens systems with the same diligence.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 16:27:49. |
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02/24/2007 05:02:15 PM · #7 |
More used lenses, more lenses overall and on average less costly for Canon. If you only every buy 2 lenses then it's not that important.
95% sure in August canon will release a 40D, 10mp with the antidust and a 3" lcd, at the same or lower price than the 30D now. Only you can answer if you want to wait 6 more months.
I chose Canon. I am happy with my choice. If were to buy today I'd have to think it all over, and might go Nikon, er, Fuji (nikon lenses), but then I might not...
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02/24/2007 05:11:24 PM · #8 |
Everyone is missing the point. You are so fixated by Canon/Nikon. I can't afford a K10D, but that is what I would buy if I could afford it.
I had the 30D, it just didn't perform like Pentax do, this is why I changed. Both Canon cameras I owned were disappointing, the 300D is a great camera as is the 30D, but the pictures are soft, dull out of camera and rely on PS.
This little Pentax K100D has reawakened my interest in photography. I took some shots of my grandson and used USM, then did away with it. The photos didn't need it.
Perhaps Pentax have actually passed both Nikon and Canon, but the Ostriches have their heads buried too deep in the sand. |
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02/24/2007 05:22:33 PM · #9 |
| if you want to shoot sports then the 30D wins over the D80 |
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02/24/2007 05:25:54 PM · #10 |
I've got the Nikon D80 -- I saved the $700 by going with the D80 over the Nikon D200 and was able to afford the Nikkor 18-200 ED VR lens. The D200 has a few extras, but I likely will never use them, so the D80 was a great option for me. With the 18-200, I also won't have to change lenses unless I need an ultra-wide shot. The D80 is dead fast -- I can take a shot the instant I turn the camera on.
In my opinion, Nikon's glass is superior to the Canon's. Aside from your own personal composition, I think the glass has a lot to do with how well things turn out. Nikon's got the great glass and great metering technology to help.
I've owned an old Minolta and a couple of mid-range Canons and never really had any issues with them, but the D80 for me is a real Cadillac compared to my previous cameras.
That's my $0.02 for what its worth...
-H0bb3z
Nikon D80
Nikkor 18-200 ED VR
Nikon SB600 speedlight |
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02/24/2007 05:35:29 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
More used lenses, more lenses overall and on average less costly for Canon. If you only every buy 2 lenses then it's not that important.
95% sure in August canon will release a 40D, 10mp with the antidust and a 3" lcd, at the same or lower price than the 30D now. Only you can answer if you want to wait 6 more months. |
These are the type of arguments that incite riots.
First off there are very few lenses you can't get on Nikon that are available on Canon. 2nd you have a whole backlog of Manual Focus lenses that are available for Nikon. Try to stick an old Canon FD lens on your 30d, sure you can use an adapter. The talk about lenses is just silly between the two. Some Nikon lenses can be argued to be better, likewise the same goes with Canon. Both companies make comparable glass, end of story.
Sure you can wait 6months, then what, another 9 months and something better comes out? Personally unless there is a significant improvement in technology in 6 months (modular sensor, full frame sensor, extreme dynamic range) then there is really no use in waiting based on speculation.
In all honestly, both cameras are superb. You are just going to be splitting hairs between the two, sine they are so similar. Look through the top photos from bothcCameras here, you see something that one can do that the other can't? Just try them out, see which one feels more intuitive to you, and which is a better perceived $$$ value and go with that one. The feature set is almost the same. People equate picking a camera to rocket science, it's not...
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 17:37:07. |
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02/24/2007 06:19:43 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
95% sure in August canon will release a 40D, 10mp with the antidust and a 3" lcd, at the same or lower price than the 30D now. Only you can answer if you want to wait 6 more months. |
Some people are also 95% sure that Nikon is releasing a D3x with a full-frame 22mp sensor incorporating leica-style directional microlenses to inhibit vignetting. Problem with vaporware is: it's vaporware. |
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02/24/2007 06:36:59 PM · #13 |
If you are not into the megapixel game then the D40 may be a better alternative. It has almost all the features of the D80 but the difference in price can get you an additional good lense to go with it.
Remember, it is the glass that makes the image, not the camera body. Regardless what you buy you need good optics to get the most out of it and good optics is transferable up to the next 'super' camera that comes along.
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02/24/2007 06:53:45 PM · #14 |
I own one... should I say anymore?
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02/24/2007 07:20:11 PM · #15 |
With regard to the 30D, D80 and noise:
- The 30D is natively less noisy in luminance at high ISO. The D80 has luminance noise of 4.5 (gray) and 5.5(black) @ ISO 3200 vs 3.0 for the 30D, per DPReview's tests. The chrominance noise story is a bit different. They are roughly equivalent, 4.5 for the 30D, and 4.8 for the D80, again at ISO 3200.
The luminance noise on the D80 can be reduced by turning up the in-camera NR, but at the expense of fine detail.
At lower ISO, there is less difference between the two cameras. In use, unless you're pushing to ISO 3200 a lot, there's little enough difference that for practical purposes in normal shooting it's a wash. What i don't know about these two cameras is how they perform relative to each other in long exposure tests.
Also, FWIW, I wouldn't recommend the D40; it's feature-crippled, and thus, IMO a less effective learning tool.
Edit to Add:
Despite the 30D's pixel deficit, it seems to reproduce as much image detail as the D80. Again, image detail is not really a deciding factor between these two cameras.
In the end, your decision probably should be governed by which system you feel most comfortable with. If you're ever thinking about going to a 35mm-format camera, consider Canon more heavily. They are on their 3rd generation of 35mm chips, while the competition has not fielded their first (that will likely happen soon, but no one is sure exactly when). If that's not a consideration, and it is not one for probably the majority of folks, then look at both cameras, see which seems to fit you better. Look at the lenses you'll want and the prices of them. Decide based on which manufacturer seems to have what fits your needs best. They are both great machines.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:31:22. |
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02/24/2007 07:27:40 PM · #16 |
| For me it's down to handling. As good as canon's P&S are (I graduated from the legendary A40), their SLRs seem to miss the mark (by a big margin). Is it just me, or are there others that feel the same? |
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02/24/2007 07:31:10 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
95% sure in August canon will |
Some people are also 95% sure that Nikon is |
I seem to remember reading that Canon was never going to release another 1.3 crop factor camera.
The crystal balls aren't what they used to be. Buy what feels good and offers the feature you are looking for now. |
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02/24/2007 07:33:43 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
I seem to remember reading that Canon was never going to release another 1.3 crop factor camera.
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LOL, so true.
Paul Pope posted over at DPReview the day of the 1DmkIII announcement and his post seemed to indicate (though not conclusively) that Canon has backed away from a one (chip) size fits all approach to the 1-series. |
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02/24/2007 07:35:30 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by jaimeDp:
hey, im stuck in between these two cameras. both are reletivly the same price(-+200). keep in mind the money needed for lenses. but with that in mind, performance wize, which would be the best bang for my buck. thanxs |
If you're looking for bang for buck, this discussion starts with "Pentax" and ends with "K10D"
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02/24/2007 07:39:19 PM · #20 |
With long exposures the d80 has some gross blooming, which is heated elements causing purple marks on your photos.
//www.bythom.com/Images/D80%20amp%20noise%20bad.jpg
This would certaintly effect my decision, but if you dont do long exposures, I wouldnt worry about it.
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02/24/2007 07:40:16 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by fallingretina:
With long exposures the d80 has some gross blooming, which is heated elements causing purple marks on your photos.
//www.bythom.com/Images/D80%20amp%20noise%20bad.jpg
This would certaintly effect my decision, but if you dont do long exposures, I wouldnt worry about it. |
Ive done long exposures and my camera hasnt done that...
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02/24/2007 07:42:37 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Ive done long exposures and my camera hasnt done that... |
You prolly have long exposure noise reduction (in-camera dark frame subtraction) turned on. It pretty neatly eliminates this issue on most Canon and Nikon bodies. Even with it off, you need very long exposures, and a dark frame (like night sky) to get it to show up noticeably. |
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02/24/2007 07:42:56 PM · #23 |
The d80 is probably the better camera, and if its not actually a better camera it's a little cheaper and is better for the price, but keep in mind that the d80 is much newer. The 30d will be replaced in a few months, at which time Canon will undoubtedly have the upper hand again. It also seems to me that Canon has a somewhat better array of lenses than Nikon does, and I think that Canon makes nicer bodies. Still, you'd probably be happy either way.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:45:16. |
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02/24/2007 07:45:48 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Originally posted by fallingretina:
With long exposures the d80 has some gross blooming, which is heated elements causing purple marks on your photos.
//www.bythom.com/Images/D80%20amp%20noise%20bad.jpg
This would certaintly effect my decision, but if you dont do long exposures, I wouldnt worry about it. |
Ive done long exposures and my camera hasnt done that... |
The example given was of a 15 minute exposure. Anything less than one minute probably wouldn't heat the sensor enough to cause the problem.
Message edited by author 2007-02-24 19:46:08. |
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02/24/2007 07:51:38 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by wavelength:
Originally posted by xXxscarletxXx:
Originally posted by fallingretina:
With long exposures the d80 has some gross blooming, which is heated elements causing purple marks on your photos.
//www.bythom.com/Images/D80%20amp%20noise%20bad.jpg
This would certaintly effect my decision, but if you dont do long exposures, I wouldnt worry about it. |
Ive done long exposures and my camera hasnt done that... |
The example given was of a 15 minute exposure. Anything less than one minute probably wouldn't heat the sensor enough to cause the problem. |
Later in the article, the writer also notes:
Originally posted by byThom.com:
By this time, I also had enough tests from others to be able to statistically predict to the NikonUSA D80 population, and I noticed something else: the results changed somewhere around the 3050000 serial number mark (US bodies have serial numbers starting with 30). Bodies before that had a clear third amp noise location, bodies after that didn't. |
With your camera being fairly new, it's highly likely you don't have the same issue.
//www.bythom.com/d80review.htm#drawbacks |
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