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 01/19/2007 09:29:41 PM · #1
Through members of the community and through commercial advertisements, we became aware that the RAW converter/editor "Nikon Capture NX" had some capabilites that might not be compatible with Basic editing. As a result, we reviewed the capability of Nikon Capture NX with regard to Basic Editing Rules. We have found that certain capabilities of NX are not compatible with Basic Editing. Those specific functions include:
- Color control points
- Red eye control points
- The Brush tool
- The Marquee/lasso tool
- The Fill/Remove tool
In general, please remember that the restrictions on spot/selective editing apply regardless of software used. While RAW conversion software is permitted, it cannot be used to perform edits that would be illegal in other software. Use of the above features will result in Disqualification in challenges running under Basic Rules.
We appreciate the patience shown by the community in awaiting a ruling on the capabilities of this software package.

- DPC Site Council
 01/19/2007 09:34:14 PM · #2
I was thinking more about it and yeah it makes sense for basic.
Thanks for the clarification.
01/19/2007 09:46:04 PM · #3
How about using LCH? Just curious because you say Color Control Points, however if you make the control point cover the whole frame you are basically making a universal edit to the photo.

The other stuff fits in line.
 01/19/2007 10:10:36 PM · #4
LCH is approx equiv to using Hue/Saturation in PS
Mytake .. it should be legal ..
 01/19/2007 10:12:22 PM · #5
So these things prior to this announcement were being treated as legal under basic?

Message edited by author 2007-01-19 22:12:48.
 01/19/2007 10:18:46 PM · #6
Originally posted by ralph:
LCH is approx equiv to using Hue/Saturation in PS
Mytake .. it should be legal ..


Yeah, I agree. Just saying that any of control points over the whole frame really does the same thing.
 01/19/2007 10:19:38 PM · #7
Originally posted by yanko:
So these things prior to this announcement were being treated as legal under basic?


I think most of us were using common sense, but it is nice to get it written down as rule clarifications.
 01/19/2007 10:22:41 PM · #8
Remember that Basic, unlike Advanced, is a process-centric rule set. That means that there are legal and non-legal ways to achieve the same results. In this case, taking the Color Control point path is not legal.
LCH would be legal, IMO, because it is a global curves/Hue/saturation adjustment, and all variations of these have previously been ruled legal.
 01/19/2007 10:26:16 PM · #9
Originally posted by kirbic:
Remember that Basic, unlike Advanced, is a process-centric rule set. That means that there are legal and non-legal ways to achieve the same results. In this case, taking the Color Control point path is not legal.
LCH would be legal, IMO, because it is a global curves/Hue/saturation adjustment, and all variations of these have previously been ruled legal.


Thanks for the clarification!
 01/20/2007 08:23:08 AM · #10
Bump for the AM folks
 01/20/2007 08:33:16 AM · #11
Originally posted by yanko:
So these things prior to this announcement were being treated as legal under basic?


It hasn't yet come up in practice. A couple users contacted us with questions about features in the software.

~Terry
 01/20/2007 11:55:19 AM · #12
Thanks! :)

01/20/2007 11:57:07 AM · #13
Originally posted by Azrifel:
Thanks! :)


No, thank YOU, sir, for keeping it on the radar!
 01/20/2007 12:43:16 PM · #14
Thanks for the clarifications. As a user of Capture NX this makes sense to me.
 01/20/2007 01:35:08 PM · #15
jepp, makes sense, gratias! ;)
 01/20/2007 01:38:36 PM · #16
This thread has caused me to go LOOK at what Capture NX is and how it functions, and it looks fascinating. It's hyped as "what image editing would ook like if there had never been a photoshop". The point here being that photoshop was designed for graphic designers, not photographers.

Anyway, my question is "who's using it and how do you like it? If you have used photoshop, which do you prefer?" The price is very reasonable, it looks like it might be worth playing with?

Maybe this should be a new thread?

R.
 01/20/2007 01:52:15 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Anyway, my question is "who's using it and how do you like it? If you have used photoshop, which do you prefer?"
R.


As soon as I saw the demonstration of Nikon Capture NX at the Photokina I knew I had to have it! I got it soon after and haven't regretted it. Prior to NX I was using Capture One, but that got uninstalled very soon after I started using it. Of course it isn't better than Photoshop although some of the features that I liked about it have now been included in Photoshop CS3. I would say it works well together with Photoshop, each has its advantages and I couldn't do without either now. I highly recommend it.
 01/20/2007 02:01:02 PM · #18
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The point here being that photoshop was designed for graphic designers, not photographers.

R.

Maybe more for scanner/camera operators, for converting photos into digitized half-tones which could be printed on offset presses.

The graphic designers would often incorporate the images into the layout, but usually didn't to the actual Photoshop processing until later on.
 01/20/2007 02:10:29 PM · #19
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
The point here being that photoshop was designed for graphic designers, not photographers.

R.

Maybe more for scanner/camera operators, for converting photos into digitized half-tones which could be printed on offset presses.

The graphic designers would often incorporate the images into the layout, but usually didn't to the actual Photoshop processing until later on.


Yah. Should have said "for the graphics industry"...

R.
 01/20/2007 02:20:05 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
This thread has caused me to go LOOK at what Capture NX is and how it functions, and it looks fascinating. It's hyped as "what image editing would ook like if there had never been a photoshop". The point here being that photoshop was designed for graphic designers, not photographers.

Anyway, my question is "who's using it and how do you like it? If you have used photoshop, which do you prefer?" The price is very reasonable, it looks like it might be worth playing with?

Maybe this should be a new thread?

R.


IMO it processes Nikon RAW files better than anything out there. It is a bit slow though and I can't stand the way it does batch files. So for batch I use Bibble and individual images that I want to look their best I use Capture NX. I rarely open Photoshop anymore and I used to be all about that program.

Sounds like for basic I'm going to need to use Photoshop still though because without the control points there isn't a whole lot left to Capture NX.
 01/20/2007 02:22:41 PM · #21
I tried it for a bit when it first came out, and liked it a lot. Then I got the iMac and forgot about it. I think I might try it again, especially now that it is out in universal. Yes! Sorry, "out soon" :) for a moment there I thought it was out already.

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