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10/30/2003 04:25:18 PM · #51
Please stay around as some people would be disappointed.

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Message edited by author 2003-10-30 16:26:49.
10/30/2003 04:28:36 PM · #52
Hug! Glad you are staying Anastasia! Given my last two scores I think I would do oh so much better just trying for a snap shot :-) On the bright side I helped the other photographers here all feel better about their scores. Still I know what I did wrong and how to improve (hopefully) and eventually I will learn. Currently I am on a break from the challenges as well, but hoping my own free time, an brillant idea, and a challenge deadline all happen. Glad you are staying and hug Kiwiness for me.
10/30/2003 04:38:48 PM · #53
Bad news in the morning, good ones in the evening, I am really glad because of you stay! :-) I think jjbeguin has right about some new challenges for those who are really brilliant - including you -, a community which gives more respect for those who deserve it - including you again. I am really happy now! :-)

I have found a forum signature for myself. The idea came during this discussion. This was mentioned on an organization behavior course:
10/30/2003 04:39:57 PM · #54
Mmmm... Doesn't work. So it's
"The way of seeing is the way of not seeing."
I guess this could be very toughtful for those who lower the scores on brilliant photos because they don't like the chose of subject.
10/30/2003 05:56:25 PM · #55
Good decision Nasti! After the reaction to this thread you started I think you gotta stay now....

If you stay I'll wash the dishes for the next month, deal?
10/30/2003 05:58:54 PM · #56
Originally posted by kiwiness:

Good decision Nasti! After the reaction to this thread you started I think you gotta stay now....

If you stay I'll wash the dishes for the next month, deal?


Come to my house, please :)))

10/30/2003 06:02:50 PM · #57
Originally posted by uabresch:

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Good decision Nasti! After the reaction to this thread you started I think you gotta stay now....

If you stay I'll wash the dishes for the next month, deal?


Come to my house, please :)))


Will I get french fries with mayonaisse there?
10/30/2003 06:03:58 PM · #58
I'm also happy your staying with us and also enjoy your fantastic photos. There are times this place gets me down, angry, upset and totally frustrated. On the flip side I laugh till my sides hurt, learn and have gained a great deal of knowledge. It's the good folks here that keep me coming back.
I just keep the faith that all the bumps in the system will eventually work out.
Also....that my genius will eventually be discovered. :*)

10/30/2003 06:07:44 PM · #59
Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by uabresch:

Originally posted by kiwiness:

Good decision Nasti! After the reaction to this thread you started I think you gotta stay now....

If you stay I'll wash the dishes for the next month, deal?


Come to my house, please :)))


Will I get french fries with mayonaisse there?


Oh yes, homemade fries with real mayonaisse, and you're allowed to put mayonaisse on your pizza crust :)

10/30/2003 06:39:36 PM · #60
Originally posted by kiwiness:

If you stay I'll wash the dishes for the next month, deal?


Anastasia, you just can't say no to this one. :-)
10/30/2003 07:21:14 PM · #61
Anastasia

I'am sorry you are so discouraged. I was recently checking my favorites and I noticed that you are number one on my statistically favorite photographers list. That may not mean much to you but I think it says a lot about your fantastic work here on DPC. I'm sure you are favorite on a number of lists!

I hope you stay around for all of us to continue learning from.

This is the link for my post:

//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=52082


Calvus
Originally posted by Anastasia:

I am glad I met so many wonderful people on DPC, great photographers, kind and caring.
One can learn a lot in here, get motivation, inspiration.
For me the reason I got into DPC was CHALLANGE to become better, te get critique and improove with the help of it.
BUT what do I see now? Wonderful photos are beeing scored so low, sorry to say...but there is so much RUBBISH in here now which has got nothing to do with CHALLANGE for me.
I don`t want to sound rude at all, I am just dissappointed and I think my last Grace submission is really gonna be my last.

10/30/2003 07:29:57 PM · #62
Originally posted by jjbeguin:


Now lets dream a little:
I would go for a “free edit B&W” Challenge group. Why B&W? I think it would help keep us more focused on the essentials: composition and emotion. It would also mostly distract us from all temptations such as fiery sunsets, yellow, bug-infested daisies, gigabytes of fall foliages reflected on quiet waters etc. Could help us finding other ways to surprise each other. You never know…
Free edit? Anybody serious about digital photography and creation should experiment with these new tools. Why artificially impose the limitation of a fading technology to an emerging one.



Wonderful idea! I'm all for it. B/W work is something very new to me, except for the old photos that my dad let me take when I was a little girl and we had nothing but b/w film :) B/W is fascinating, and I would just LOVE to concentrate on it for a while, and learn about what makes it work. Many of the "translations" into b/w don't seem to be quite it, something seems to be missing, and I want to figure out what it is, and use it.

Ursula

ANASTASIA, I hope you stay, just for a very selfish reason, I like looking at your photos :))) And I was looking forward to more of them.


Message edited by author 2003-10-30 19:33:15.
10/31/2003 04:27:16 PM · #63
Originally posted by pitsaman:

The truth is we are getting more and more snapshots in challenges!
Also truth is that someones trash is someones treasure!{my child is the most beautiful}
Earlier I was ranting about adding filter for submitted photos,where panel of judges (who know what the hell they are doing} filter submitted photos and let maximum of 100 into a challenge!
We will get more quality and I don't have to look at bunch of crap in Grace challenge{including mine].
I mean we don't let all 50 contestants from USA states to go to the Miss World contest!


I think the panel of judges idea was mine, sorry for adding to the confusion. It seemed to me that watching photos of good to great quality get slammed with 1's was a concern. I thought using the votes from a respected team of "judges" would offer another perspective on a photographers success and growth. I just didn't want to see experience photographers leave because the quality of voting has gone down (assuming ones on decent pictures mean it has).
10/31/2003 04:55:13 PM · #64
Originally posted by Nusbaum:

Originally posted by pitsaman:

The truth is we are getting more and more snapshots in challenges!
Also truth is that someones trash is someones treasure!{my child is the most beautiful}
Earlier I was ranting about adding filter for submitted photos,where panel of judges (who know what the hell they are doing} filter submitted photos and let maximum of 100 into a challenge!
We will get more quality and I don't have to look at bunch of crap in Grace challenge{including mine].
I mean we don't let all 50 contestants from USA states to go to the Miss World contest!


I think the panel of judges idea was mine, sorry for adding to the confusion. It seemed to me that watching photos of good to great quality get slammed with 1's was a concern. I thought using the votes from a respected team of "judges" would offer another perspective on a photographers success and growth. I just didn't want to see experience photographers leave because the quality of voting has gone down (assuming ones on decent pictures mean it has).


Actually, I certainly mentioned this idea (panel of judges) a few months ago, and even recently speaking about a website which I am developing.

If nothing else, whoever is interested could experiment it on my site.

I will need a thorough testing of the mechanism to understand its strengths and weaknesses.

Message edited by author 2003-10-31 16:56:02.
10/31/2003 05:00:26 PM · #65
Originally posted by glimpses:

Actually, I certainly mentioned this idea (panel of judges) a few months ago, and even recently speaking about a website which I am developing.

If nothing else, whoever is interested could experiment it on my site.

I will need a thorough testing of the mechanism to understand its strengths and weaknesses.


Post the link to your site.
10/31/2003 05:08:22 PM · #66
Originally posted by pitsaman:

The truth is we are getting more and more snapshots in challenges!


I agree, that's why I haven't been submitting ; )
I think the problem is people enter just to enter. If you don't have something you are happy with, try again next week - while others will disagree, I don't think you should submit a picture unless you honestly think it is "good" (for lack of a better word). Photographic quality is subjective however, and this post won't change anything, I'm just voicing my opinion.
10/31/2003 05:12:18 PM · #67
Originally posted by kiwiness:

Originally posted by glimpses:

Actually, I certainly mentioned this idea (panel of judges) a few months ago, and even recently speaking about a website which I am developing.

If nothing else, whoever is interested could experiment it on my site.

I will need a thorough testing of the mechanism to understand its strengths and weaknesses.


Post the link to your site.


It is in beta version (testing) and running on my local server at the moment.

There are also some minor but essential features (like an online reference to explain how it works) missing.

I will release a test version asap but before than that I need to find enough people willing to test it.

The services, actually, are pretty much working.

The test then, it is more about how people will perceive the workflow and the rules.
10/31/2003 05:16:47 PM · #68
Originally posted by Maverick:

Originally posted by pitsaman:

The truth is we are getting more and more snapshots in challenges!


I agree, that's why I haven't been submitting ; )
I think the problem is people enter just to enter. If you don't have something you are happy with, try again next week - while others will disagree, I don't think you should submit a picture unless you honestly think it is "good" (for lack of a better word). Photographic quality is subjective however, and this post won't change anything, I'm just voicing my opinion.


Part of this quality issue is also due to the restriction over the time limitations. And that is not a critique actually!

I have evaluated the issue very carefully and:

If you remove time limitations people will be able to submit better photos because they belong to their portfolio.

However, the photos will not be fresh! And that is not a minor issue.

I think that one of the biggest strength of DPC is in the freshness of the photography submitted.
10/31/2003 05:16:50 PM · #69
I wonder if having an extra 2 week challenge would eliminate the snapshots. Give folks more time to take their shot.

I would really like to have a different area where we can just critique photos. I have read that people submit to get critiques.

Photos needing critiqued area.

I try hard to give my opinion on new photos I see, but I have to search around for them. I would be nice if we had a section for them.

What do you all think?
10/31/2003 05:22:54 PM · #70
One thing which I cannot believe.. is that Pitsaman proposed to stop submission after 100 received.. that is exactly how my site works at the moment! =)))))

However I did not put those and other limits thinking of quality, but just to, somehow, define controllable metrics for the workflow (which, of course, can be changed: 100 could become 200 or even 50 depending on the circumnstances).

Sonifo's idea is interesting too. Stretching the time limits would certainly affect the quality, even if people, on the other end, could get bored by having to wait more to know the final outcome.

The tricky part of these issues is that each of them favours one positive aspect while reducing some other one.
10/31/2003 05:33:01 PM · #71
Originally posted by Sonifo:

I wonder if having an extra 2 week challenge would eliminate the snapshots. Give folks more time to take their shot.

I would really like to have a different area where we can just critique photos. I have read that people submit to get critiques.

Photos needing critiqued area.

I try hard to give my opinion on new photos I see, but I have to search around for them. I would be nice if we had a section for them.

What do you all think?


I like the idea Sonifo. I see that a lot of new portfolio pics are getting a lot of comments these days. I am sure if we had a section called "photos to be critiqued on", that anyone can critique as they please. Kind of like a critique bin. Maybe the photos could stay in this bin for a week or two and then automatically get put into the aprropriate portfolios.
10/31/2003 05:42:19 PM · #72
Originally posted by Sonifo:


Photos needing critiqued area.

I try hard to give my opinion on new photos I see, but I have to search around for them. I would be nice if we had a section for them.

I think that was the purpose of the new Forum category of Individual Photograph Discussion. People who want feedback on a specific, non-entry photo, can start a thread for that. The discussion is then supposed to be more focused than a thread on, say, everyone's sunset photos ...

I think an occasional extended (2-4 week) challenge would certainly be a worthwhile experiment; a counterbalance to the Speed Challenges.
10/31/2003 06:19:04 PM · #73
Originally posted by GeneralE:


II think that was the purpose of the new Forum category of Individual Photograph Discussion. People who want feedback on a specific, non-entry photo, can start a thread for that. The discussion is then supposed to be more focused than a thread on, say, everyone's sunset photos ...


These photos usually get lost in the shuffle of the forum and I am not going to go search in the forum for any photo.

I like what kiwi suggested.
Kind of like a critique bin. Maybe the photos could stay in this bin for a week or two and then automatically get put into the aprropriate portfolios.

Message edited by author 2003-10-31 18:19:32.
10/31/2003 06:58:13 PM · #74
Originally posted by Nusbaum:

I just didn't want to see experience photographers leave because the quality of voting has gone down (assuming ones on decent pictures mean it has).


These kind of bitch sessions are what tend to make me disappointed in this site. So many responses, so little time...

So here's just one: Everyone complains about winning/great photos getting 1s and 2s, and seem to think this is a new, ignorant breed of participants. I just took a sample glance through some of the earliest winners. Almost every one had at least a couple of 1s and 2s, including Drew's winner in the first challenge, Road Signs, which had only 9 entries and about 90 votes.

(Nothing personal against you David - just an easy target.)
10/31/2003 07:06:27 PM · #75
I like the critique bin idea. One of the drawbacks (for the reviewer) of the Critique Club that you can't skip a photo.
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