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09/01/2006 10:10:22 AM · #1 |
Yes, I've posted this in Web Site Suggestion intentionaly, as it's a suggestion to make this web site work better...we'll see how long it lasts before moving to Rant.
Forum Rules, specifically rule #7, states:
"When posting potentially adult content, include a warning. When possible, include the warning in your subject line. If you are posting in an existing thread, consider carefully whether the content is appropriate for the thread. If it is, include a warning at the beginning of your post. Unless your warning is in the subject line, any images must be linked rather than thumbnailed or posted directly."
This means that posting nude images in a currently running thread should not be happening - yet it does happen, frequently.
When a posting of this nature is discovered it's usually an unwelcome surprise, especially when viewing this site at work. I imagine it could be an issue with minors as well.
I would think the intention of Forum Rule #7 was to eliminate these kind of surprises.
I'm an adult, and don't mind seeing a little skin when done in a tasteful manner - but I don't think it's right for this kind of imagery to show up unexpectedly.
As a side note, I'm disappointed in the uneven response from those responsible for enforcing Forum Rule #7. Sometimes the response to a 'Report Post' for this rule is handled in a timely manner, sometimes it's ignored completely.
Last item related to this subject. Why aren't all images that contain nudity classified in the Nude category? The Nude preference (to hide after voting) setting in 'My Preferences' blocks maybe half of the nude images that show up on this site.
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09/01/2006 10:14:26 AM · #2 |
I think this is a good reminder to show consideration for other users of the site.
The category classification is up to the photographer so if they don't classify a nude as as nude it won't be hidden by the nude preference. This is another area where the photographer needs to show consideration for the community and classify the image appropriately.
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09/01/2006 10:17:31 AM · #3 |
Perhaps the moderators of the site could jimmy up a little script in which pictures containing nudity, when uploaded, have a check box to indicate such. Then, when people post a picture with nudity mid-thread and the such, make the picture blocked from viewing until clicked on or some such business with a clear indication as to why. This way, you can read a thread with nudity in it without the thread of the boss-man peeking over and seeing Johnny the porn-meister.
At the same time it would allow actual Johnny the porn meisters (such as myself) who wish to view such images to have this capability without a bunch of workaround business on their part. Open, easy discussion: Check. Not having boobs on your screen when you don't want them to be there: Check. |
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09/01/2006 10:19:58 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Vapor63:
Perhaps the moderators of the site could jimmy up a little script in which pictures containing nudity, when uploaded, have a check box to indicate such. Then, when people post a picture with nudity mid-thread and the such, make the picture blocked from viewing until clicked on or some such business with a clear indication as to why. This way, you can read a thread with nudity in it without the thread of the boss-man peeking over and seeing Johnny the porn-meister.
At the same time it would allow actual Johnny the porn meisters (such as myself) who wish to view such images to have this capability without a bunch of workaround business on their part. Open, easy discussion: Check. Not having boobs on your screen when you don't want them to be there: Check. |
Sadly enough .. the moderators would need a checkbox to hide the posts that have sexual innuedo also .
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09/01/2006 10:20:32 AM · #5 |
The bottom line is, the "flagging" of photos for nudity is the responsibility of the image owner. If they are put in the "nudes" gallery, they are automatically flagged. If they are not, then there's really no way to automate it.
When we find nudes that are not flagged, we flag them, however, we can't be everywhere. We appreciate it when users advise us of unflagged nudes, and we appreciate diligence on the part of users posting nude content to remember to flag them.
With regard to Rule 7, yes, folks posting nude content to threads not marked as containing nudity need to post same as a link, with a warning in the post. I don't recall seeing more than a couple posts reported for this in recent weeks. If they are reported, and found not to be work-safe, they *should* get edited to convert to a link. There are no old reports for this that are outstanding.
This thread is a good reminder that rule 7 is an important one. Non- work-safe content showing up unexpectedly can be a serious issue. |
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09/01/2006 10:28:24 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
... I don't recall seeing more than a couple posts reported for this in recent weeks. If they are reported, and found not to be work-safe, they *should* get edited to convert to a link. There are no old reports for this that are outstanding. ... |
Soft Focused favorites - reported using 'Report Post' around 8:30am with follow-up post to thread 15 minutes later. |
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09/01/2006 10:34:41 AM · #7 |
| Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? And if you're on a break, a couple thumbnails with boobs showing probably won't get you fired, will it? |
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09/01/2006 10:41:01 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Soft Focused favorites - reported using 'Report Post' around 8:30am with follow-up post to thread 15 minutes later. |
Puhleaze...
You can't even tell from the thumbnail there are tatas besides, it's so soft it looks almost like a painting.
Reminder: Check butt cheeks now and then for deep wedgies.
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09/01/2006 10:44:39 AM · #9 |
| Yeah I was suprised on that soft focus one too, you can't even tell it's a nude (though maybe that's the point of the gripe - click it and HELLOOOOOO) |
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09/01/2006 10:47:03 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? |
that's what I wanted to say.
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09/01/2006 10:50:09 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? And if you're on a break, a couple thumbnails with boobs showing probably won't get you fired, will it? |
It's your option I guess to take that chance (getting in trouble for nude thumbnail images) - I'd prefer that the forum rules get followed and not have to worry about it. |
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09/01/2006 10:51:54 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by rswank:
... Puhleaze...
You can't even tell from the thumbnail there are tatas besides, it's so soft it looks almost like a painting. ... |
Yep, figured I hear that argument, and to a point you are correct as it is artistic in nature...but still, some nipples showing when they shouldn't be in a forum post not labeled as such. This is just one of a few examples in the past week... |
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09/01/2006 10:55:24 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by biteme:
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? |
that's what I wanted to say. |
Valid point. However, if I make that choice (quite sure I'm not in the minority of work internet viewers) I shouldn't have to be concerned about safe surfing.
The forum rule is there - why? It should be enforced or do away with it. |
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09/01/2006 11:20:38 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by biteme:
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? |
that's what I wanted to say. |
This arguement comes up a lot so let me try to put this to bed.
I, along with several others here get paid salary, not hourly. This means we get paid to accomplish certain tasks at work and not to be present within a certain time period or put in a certain number of hours. As a salary employee in the US (FLSA exempt) I can leave work when I want, arrive at work when I want, and as long as all my assigned tasks are complete my boss can not do anything to me about how much or how little actual time I put into working (except give me more tasks...). (The down side to being salary is they do not have to pay you overtime) Thus, if I'm waiting for a slow system, it's a slow day, waiting for a phone call, need a brain break between projects, or just need to kill time there is nothing in the world wrong with me getting on the internet and surfing, as long as things my company doesn't approve of don't pop up on my screen (and I get my tasks done) :).
Thus, rather then not being able to surf DPC from work in my free time (at work) I'd like to see the nude stuff clearly flagged. Note, that also makes it easier for me to find when I get home!!!
edit to add: note to self, check out soft focus thread when you get home.
Message edited by author 2006-09-01 11:23:42.
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09/01/2006 11:23:12 AM · #15 |
I guess we better do something about nude thumbs showing up here as well.
//www.dpchallenge.com/lens.php?LENS_ID=239&view=submissions
God help us, there are so many places to add warnings to.
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09/01/2006 11:31:27 AM · #16 |
That's not a forum posting area, no warning needed per forum posting rules - as this thread pertains to. As a general rule I wouldn't visit areas such as you've mentioned any time I don't want my browser to display unexpected nudity.
Theoretically nude images in other areas shouldn't be visible to those that have the 'Hide Nudes' preference selected on their user preference page. However, as kirbic pointed out, the categorization of images is up to the submitter - if not categorized as nude it will remain visible. |
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09/01/2006 11:33:19 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by MadMan2k:
Aren't you getting paid to do actual work, not surf the internet? |
Hell Yea MadMan2k!! Awesome that you pointed that one out |
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09/01/2006 11:37:39 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
Thus, if I'm waiting for a slow system, it's a slow day, waiting for a phone call, need a brain break between projects, or just need to kill time there is nothing in the world wrong with me getting on the internet and surfing, as long as things my company doesn't approve of don't pop up on my screen (and I get my tasks done) |
That's an interesting company policy.
I've worked in many companies, including some large American ones. On the first day I am handed an agreement which states that I will use the internet only to access sites and information which is directly related to my work.
You can understand why. Most companies are not worried about a fuzzy nipple in a thumbnail. What they *are* worried about is;
- Reputation. Employees posting to public forums from a company IP addresses views and opinions which might be viewed as these of the company
- Security. If the employees are visiting random websites, there is no guarantee of what trojans/viruses etc. might get picked up.
What's the difference between a fuzzy nipple and someone's political views in a 'rant' thread? - The company probably doesn't want either of these things on their network. But there are other considerations besides 'nudity' that's for sure.
Message edited by author 2006-09-01 11:38:02. |
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09/01/2006 11:38:35 AM · #19 |
I don't know why photogs would choose not to place thier images in the nude gallery. Hell, you get a ton more views that way.
But, anyway, it is nice to mark a thread as Nude or not work safe if it contains risque content. I don't consider this censorship, but rather a chance for viewers to have a choice.
I'm all about choice. My choice to post it, your choice not to view it.
But, it's nice to give you a warning, so that you can make that choice.
A web site suggestion:
Have a check box by the forum post text box that allows a user to mark his/her post as adult content that can be filtered by viewers.
Moved that topic here.
Message edited by author 2006-09-01 14:35:21.
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09/01/2006 11:40:52 AM · #20 |
Okay, right not I am not being paid by anyone. I am at home with two children.
Instead of "worksafe," I'll use the word "family safe."
Yes, I understand Barry's concern. I'm reading an interesting thread, when *bam* there's an image I wouldn't want my son to see.
I, however, have the power to do something about it.
If you see a challenge entry that is nude, but is showing it, it is not flagged. Send a ticket or report post or something.
If it is in a forum, report it.
We, as a SC, will try to get to it as quickly as possible (admittedly, sometimes are faster than others).
What someone is being paid for is irrelevant. The fact remains that the forum rules are for everyone, whatever they are doing, and if it states that nudes need links not thumbnails, then that is what needs to be happening, and SC needs to be enforcing. |
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09/01/2006 11:59:39 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by jhonan:
That's an interesting company policy. |
Not company policy, FLSA. Look it up if you don't know about it. You'll learn what your boss can and can't do to you. I think everyone should understand it.
Company policy on internet use here is pretty simple. Only on your free time, no sites someone could deem offensive, and you can't run a home business fom work. That's pretty standard for most places I've heard of.
Edit to add, this is getting off topic… Basically my point is, don’t assume I’m doing something wrong when I’m looking at DPC from work, because I'm not.
Message edited by author 2006-09-01 12:05:52.
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09/01/2006 12:09:43 PM · #22 |
dude if you're that worried, turn off nudity. When I open dpc at school...it automatically doesn't display that stuff...even that lateast challenge entry with the fireman and the lady was blocked out.
If things are popping up unexpectedly, you should just use that feature...that's why it was created.
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09/01/2006 12:10:54 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by deapee:
dude if you're that worried, turn off nudity. When I open dpc at school...it automatically doesn't display that stuff...even that lateast challenge entry with the fireman and the lady was blocked out.
If things are popping up unexpectedly, you should just use that feature...that's why it was created. |
As has been stated, that only works if the photographer has put the image in the Nude category. |
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09/01/2006 12:12:03 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by deapee:
dude if you're that worried, turn off nudity. When I open dpc at school...it automatically doesn't display that stuff...even that lateast challenge entry with the fireman and the lady was blocked out.
If things are popping up unexpectedly, you should just use that feature...that's why it was created. |
it doesn't work in forum posts, thus the concern, and the rule about linking to nudes rather than thumbing them.
Also, if the photog doesn't put it in the nude gallery, the SC will need to manually mark it as such, and it may pop up unexpectedly until we know it needs to be done. |
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09/01/2006 12:40:59 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by LoudDog:
As a salary employee in the US (FLSA exempt) I can leave work when I want, arrive at work when I want, and as long as all my assigned tasks are complete my boss can not do anything to me about how much or how little actual time I put into working (except give me more tasks...). (The down side to being salary is they do not have to pay you overtime) |
My boss can not do anything to me??? Not in my universe. I do get the down side, however.
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