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12/23/2005 05:02:59 PM · #76 |
| I don't remember when I quit believing but we had three children and at any point in time where they indicated they no longer believed I would say "He(She) who does not believe, does not receive." Funny thing, they claimed to believe until they left home and went out on their own... |
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12/23/2005 06:48:15 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by dassilem:
And I do not have to keep quiet because you don't want to hear my Christmas music. I am putting up a CHRISTMAS TREE, not a Holiday Tree....I will be celebrating Jesus Christ, and enjoying the wonderment of Santa. I quote the musician Kenny G. (Jewish) He has released 2 Holiday albums. As he writes, he 'acknowleges that some Christmastime music is the most beautiful music written and it would be a loss not to share this remarkable music'
So, Merry Christmas to all who wish to accept my sincere sentiment... Have a nice day to those who don't. |
A Christmas tree, eh? You mean that ancient pagan tradition of the Yule log, right? Which was co-opted, along with the date of December 25, to help bring pagans more easily into the fold of Catholicism. Most of the ceremonial activities associated with the Mass of Christ are in fact holdovers from Pagan ceremonies and festivals. Don't even get me started on Easter. Which falls much closer on the calendar to the actual birthdate of Jesus, btw.
*sigh* Celebrate how you wish, so long as it harms none. But don't overlook the fact that *your* holiday was build on another, and expect everyone to allow you the conceit of claiming it for your own, ignoring the traditions that came before or even the ones that have been established since.
edit to note: I'm not a Pagan, nor am i a Catholic. I consider myself agnostic, and if i had to identify with a religion to feel complete, i'd most likely be a Buddhist. One that is sick and tired of individuals declaring their beliefs superior and clamoring to shut everyone else up.
Message edited by author 2005-12-23 19:06:45. |
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12/23/2005 07:42:05 PM · #78 |
I stopped belieiving in Santa after I bursted through the door of my parents bedroom on christmas morning, and saw my stepdad giving my mom his 'candy cane'.
Soon after, I started to experiment with drugs. Maybe to try and to recapture the fantasy of Santa.
Now I just drink my self to a HO HO HO state during the holidays, and I make sure my bedroom door is locked on christmas day.
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12/23/2005 07:58:14 PM · #79 |
I still remember: we were driving down the main downtown street, all decorated with tinsel and I told my mom that a fellow 2nd grader at school had said that Santa got stuck in a chimney and died. She went into a long spiel about the spirit of Christmas, and I was so crushed, I cried all the way home. I wish she'd lied.
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12/23/2005 08:01:18 PM · #80 |
John and I were talking about this earlier this evening. We agreed that there was nothing like waking up on Christmas morning and feeling that heavy sack on the end of the bed and knowing that HE had been while you were asleep. The delight in trying to guess what was in each lumpy parcel and turning on the light and opening each present, eating chocolate and satsumas at 4am and anticipating all the fun that would be happening during the day ahead. It was a magical feeling that stays with us 50 years on. The only thing to match it, was seeing the magic again with our own children. I hope we will enjoy it in the future with our grandchildren.
Santa lives on!
Merry Christmas Everyone!
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12/23/2005 08:01:21 PM · #81 |
John and I were talking about this earlier this evening. We agreed that there was nothing like waking up on Christmas morning and feeling that heavy sack on the end of the bed and knowing that HE had been while you were asleep. The delight in trying to guess what was in each lumpy parcel and turning on the light and opening each present, eating chocolate and satsumas at 4am and anticipating all the fun that would be happening during the day ahead. It was a magical feeling that stays with us 50 years on. The only thing to match it, was seeing the magic again with our own children. I hope we will enjoy it in the future with our grandchildren.
Santa lives on!
Merry Christmas Everyone!
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12/23/2005 11:49:47 PM · #82 |
Shamrock. Well said. I never actually knew what a yule log was, but I had heard of it from other places. I know that Evergreen trees decorated with gold and silver is mentioned in the book of Samuel in the Bible though as part of false worship. How you view this depends on your view of the Bible though - and that's not the topic of this thread.
I find it very funny actually that the idea of santa coming down a chimney comes from a European story about a thief who did such. The leaving of trinkets and gifts by the fireplace may have had the idea of appeasing him to not take too much from the house or harm the occupants.
I would have thought that a big fire would have worked better... ;)
Agreed, celebrate what you wish, just don't delude yourself with ideas like "I'm celebrating Jesus Christ's birthday" (I thought it was accepted to have been in the early-mid fall? death in early-mid spring? - unimportant in this discussion) or "christmas = Mass of Christ" when there is a great deal of available information available.
Like I said, for myself to find out the facts merely took casually thumbing through an encyclopedia one weekend.
Anyone else can do the same.
That having been said, I appreciate magical moments as much as the next person. Early springtime mornings, the silence and mystique of a city blanketed in snow, a beautiful navel, the delicate flavor of a freshly picked strawberry, just a little too green because you couldn't wait....
... and being totally surprised by gifts from parents that are well-thought out and presented as well as anticipating parties and fun events in the household. Didn't need christmas for that.
Message edited by author 2005-12-24 00:37:05. |
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12/23/2005 11:52:35 PM · #83 |
| I believe in santa I live in Iceland .. ice |
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