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Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/06/2005 08:53:53 PM · #126

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by azoychka:
Shall we have an educated discussion on the ribbon winner.....I have done mine please add to it if you wish.....

Actually, I have done mine. I commented on each of the 3 ribbon winners before the challenge ended--while the entries were still anonymous. I was not particularly flattering of the image which ended up in first place...but I did offer my "critique" of what did not work for me.

Where have you "done" yours? You've entered 39 challenges and offered a grand total of 36 comments on other people's images...well, actually, some of your comments are on your own images. When did you do "your part"?

I never comment on mine, I have answered a few comments though.....does that count? :-)

It goes to your statistics as a comment. So if you "respond" by commenting under your own entry it "counts" as a comment. Some people prefer to edit their photographer notes or send a message to the person who commented rather than add to the comments under their own photo.

I never pm anyone. I sort of figure, if I'm a jerk I am there for all to see, no secret messaging etc......so, I commented a few times on comments......

I take the assessment of photography pretty serious and could never fairly vote on the number required here let alone comment constructively. I tried I but felt too detached during it...

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 20:55:49.

Apple iPhone 5

11/06/2005 08:55:11 PM · #127

Originally posted by azoychka:

The horizon tilt....the ground is an integral part of the photo so I supposed it would be the horizon. From my view even with the treeline? the horizon falls to the right...

I just can't see it. I had to measure it to prove it to myself;

P.S. Sorry for butchering your shot Joey... :-p

11/06/2005 08:56:26 PM · #128

jhonan must be me but it sure looks to move (down) right

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 20:57:05.

11/06/2005 08:59:50 PM · #129

Originally posted by bear_music:

For what it's worth, on Joey's pic:

The horizon IS level. The hills are the horizon, the field of stubble is a foreground, although the low camera angle does pull it very close to the horizon. Reinforcing the levelness of the horizon as presented, see the stratification of cloud layers near the horizon and that they are level also.

Suitability of subject for "grain" challenge seems a no-brainer to me. The title is desolation, tjhe scene speaks to an extended period of drought, with barreness and stubble and despair the overriding "images" here. Dark, grain, contrast seem right.

Selective desaturation is very powerful here; the only color is in the stubble and in the man's clothing/skin, linking these elements very strongly, forcing us to consider their relationship to/impact on each other.

Using dodge/burn to bring up the section of stubble further emphasizes the relationship above. This is a a man at war with the elements, and losing.

It's a spare, powerful, very impressive pictorial depiction that wears its title well; "desolation", indeed...

Robt.

Desolation=nothing...not milk cans, ground growth, dirt on the face, clouds ominously filled with rain! Rain is hope not despair.....

11/06/2005 09:01:42 PM · #130

Originally posted by azoychka:

jhonan must be me but it sure looks to move (down) right

I'm astigmatic and have to check everything...especially since tilted horizons are a pet peeve of mine. Joey's pic is not tilted. Perhaps the curves in the clouds create the illusion that the horizon lifts at each end...or maybe it's a slight shift of a wide-angle lens?

11/06/2005 09:03:28 PM · #131

Originally posted by azoychka:

Desolation=nothing...not milk cans, ground growth, dirt on the face, clouds ominously filled with rain! Rain is hope not despair.....

Who said the milk can was full?
The house surely isn't.
Rain is not always good, and certainly not helpful after the fields have been mown bare.

edit: can't spell.

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 21:03:57.

11/06/2005 09:04:01 PM · #132

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by azoychka:
jhonan must be me but it sure looks to move (down) right

I'm astigmatic and have to check everything...especially since tilted horizons are a pet peeve of mine. Joey's pic is not tilted. Perhaps the curves in the clouds create the illusion that the horizon lifts at each end...or maybe it's a slight shift of a wide-angle lens?

I accept the possibility of no tilt :-) KaDi or bear or jhonan (or gosh darn it anyone) what object do you think is the focal point of the photo?

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 21:08:40.

11/06/2005 09:07:48 PM · #133

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by azoychka:
Desolation=nothing...not milk cans, ground growth, dirt on the face, clouds ominously filled with rain! Rain is hope not despair.....

Who said the milk can was full?
The house surely isn't. Rain is not always good, and certainly not helpful after the fields have been mown bare.

edit: can't spell.

1. Does he carry the can for exercise or comfort or?
2. The house is old, so is mine...(I hate it when it rains)
3. Even the flood holds eventual renewal.....in the desert they dream of it
4. These fields could do with a good mowing

I can't spell either.... :-(

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/06/2005 09:11:42 PM · #134

Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by azoychka:
Desolation=nothing...not milk cans, ground growth, dirt on the face, clouds ominously filled with rain! Rain is hope not despair.....

Who said the milk can was full?
The house surely isn't. Rain is not always good, and certainly not helpful after the fields have been mown bare.

edit: can't spell.

1. Does he carry the can for exercise or comfort or?
2. The house is old, so is mine...(I hate it when it rains)
3. Even the flood holds eventual renewal.....in the desert they dream of it
4. These fields could do with a good mowing

I can't spell either.... :-(

Glad to see you asking questions about the image. Do you think you could live in that "old" house in the picture? Does this man appear to be exercising? (No one carries a milk can for comfort, they weigh several pounds!) Who said "flood"...what desert? These fields have been mown (harvested)... Keep going! You're half way to a proper critique. ;-)

Apple iPhone 5

11/06/2005 09:13:09 PM · #135

Originally posted by azoychka:

What is the farmer looking at? - Where did he come from? - And so on...

It is enigmatic.

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 21:13:32.

Apple iPhone 5

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/06/2005 09:22:44 PM · #136

Besides, in another couple of hours we'll have a new ribbon winner to beat with a stick.

Sorry, I mean 'critique'... :)

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

11/06/2005 09:24:33 PM · #137

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by azoychka:
1. Does he carry the can for exercise or comfort or?
2. The house is old, so is mine...(I hate it when it rains)
3. Even the flood holds eventual renewal.....in the desert they dream of it
4. These fields could do with a good mowing

What is the farmer looking at? - Where did he come from? - And so on...

It is enigmatic.

meaning...'difficult to interpret or understand' which makes for a 'thin' image .....it could be this or that... it is not the best idea to leave it to the viewers when you are trying to create an image that evokes a powerful emotional state like desolation......your audience may know the word and what it means..... and you will instantly lose them....

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/06/2005 09:26:36 PM · #138

Originally posted by azoychka:

I accept the possibility of no tilt :-) KaDi or bear or jhonan (or gosh darn it anyone) what object do you think is the focal point of the photo?

Referencing KaDi, the horizon is hills and the ones on the right are clearly taller than the ones on the left, so it all works.

Referencing "focal point" of the image, strictly speaking it's the man, and more his hand than his face but a bit of both, but I see it as a "complex subject", a triangle defined by the man and the barn. It'sd a penetrating dynamic.

Robt.

Samsung Galaxy S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

11/06/2005 09:29:17 PM · #139

Originally posted by bear_music:

Originally posted by azoychka:

I accept the possibility of no tilt :-) KaDi or bear or jhonan (or gosh darn it anyone) what object do you think is the focal point of the photo?

Referencing KaDi, the horizon is hills and the ones on the right are clearly taller than the ones on the left, so it all works.

Referencing "focal point" of the image, strictly speaking it's the man, and more his hand than his face but a bit of both, but I see it as a "complex subject", a triangle defined by the man and the barn. It'sd a penetrating dynamic.

Robt.

It's never a bad idea to have your focal point as the most dominant element of your photo, otherwise it becomes confusing....the barn maybe more of a focal point than the man......the powerful sky leads you to it....of course as it slowly slides off the right side of the pic.....:-)

Message edited by author 2005-11-06 21:30:35.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

11/06/2005 10:40:07 PM · #140

Originally posted by azoychka:

Originally posted by jhonan:
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What is the farmer looking at? - Where did he come from? - And so on...

It is enigmatic.

meaning...'difficult to interpret or understand' which makes for a 'thin' image .....it could be this or that... it is not the best idea to leave it to the viewers when you are trying to create an image that evokes a powerful emotional state like desolation......your audience may know the word and what it means..... and you will instantly lose them....

I completely disagree with this, in principle and in the present example. I think "enigmatic", if done correctly, is thought-provoking and good. I resist having my reactions spoon-fed to me. I like to work for them. In the present example, I don't even think it's all that enigmatic; every aspect of the picture speaks of harshness and desolation. It makes us ask questions, sure, but the possible answers to those questions are all in line with the gestalt of the image.

Robt.

Joey Lawrence

PhaseOne P45

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

11/06/2005 10:45:07 PM · #141

The picture certainly does make you ponder and stir your emotions doesn't it?
Good. You won't forget it so easily :-)

Have fun

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

11/06/2005 11:03:37 PM · #142

Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:

The picture certainly does make you ponder and stir your emotions doesn't it?
Good. You won't forget it so easily :-)

Have fun

Since you peeked....how would you critique your own image?....if you would so oblige... How would you rip it apart, if you wanted to?
(I've heard, somewhere, that it's good to be your own worst critic....;-))

Joey Lawrence

PhaseOne P45

11/06/2005 11:26:08 PM · #143

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by Joey Lawrence:
The picture certainly does make you ponder and stir your emotions doesn't it?
Good. You won't forget it so easily :-)

Have fun

Since you peeked....how would you critique your own image?....if you would so oblige... How would you rip it apart, if you wanted to?
(I've heard, somewhere, that it's good to be your own worst critic....;-))

Sure :-)
I'm very proud of the image I have created but of course if an artist is 100% satisfied with his/her work, they can never improve. The drive for perfection and satisifcation is how we learn to do more.

I'd love to have a wider angle with the picture cropped in more of a widescreen ratio. I think this would give more dimension and make the dead vegetation seem more plentiful versus the farmer.

Another thing are those three blades of grass in front of him, I meant to put them in the shot but wish they were thicker.

I think everyone here has got some really good critiques with other things- glad for that.
thanks