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01/25/2008 07:06:29 AM · #201
Originally posted by Greetmir:

I am just starting to set up for uploading stock photography ... ANY advice and opinions are welcome.

One thing ... I get very very nervous of people asking me my exact address, phone number, and other personal details besides my PayPal account number. Is there anyway to break into stock photography without giving this information to anyone but PayPal? ...

I notice a few stock sites pay primarily or secondarily through PayPal ... MUST these stock sites have enough info to come and knock on your door?


It is just a tax thing, they won't invite themselves for your next party, don't worry :)
Besides that, do you think PayPal is any safer? They even know your bank account, mwuhahaha!

ETA: If you need any advice, please be more specific

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 07:07:01.
01/25/2008 07:33:33 AM · #202
well for paypal ... that is ONE place ... not TEN ... and for taxes ... I am in Belgium and no where near the US ... do they need my address?

Would a P.O. Box work for a mailing address, I just wondered ?

Not for PayPal ... for the others that pay via PayPal.

Message edited by author 2008-01-25 08:01:05.
01/25/2008 08:42:31 AM · #203
It is quite simple (basics of economy): The more the companies pay out, the less taxes THEy have to pay. To have proof how much they paid out to whom, they need your ID. Otherwise they could make up zillions of fake photographer accounts and never pay taxes again. A PO Box might work with one or the other agency, check their TOS and registration forms.
02/01/2008 11:31:09 AM · #204
Originally posted by Greetmir:

I am just starting to set up for uploading stock photography ... ANY advice and opinions are welcome.

One thing ... I get very very nervous of people asking me my exact address, phone number, and other personal details besides my PayPal account number. Is there anyway to break into stock photography without giving this information to anyone but PayPal? ...

I notice a few stock sites pay primarily or secondarily through PayPal ... MUST these stock sites have enough info to come and knock on your door?


when they start asking your address and such you can realize they are either very serious and professional or a big scam. :)

If you are talking about the major stock sites - they are serious business that need the info for their tax purposes.
02/02/2008 11:13:39 PM · #205
This is shame that you guys sale your photos for nothing. The only people that benefit from it are the people that run damn penny sites.
If you want honest pay for your work check out the www.photographersdirect.com
They have 2 options for you to choose from. Paid membership (I think it’s little pricy but you keep 100% profit from all sales) or FREE membership but you have to pay 20% commission on each sale, witch I think is the lowest you will find. The great thing is that they need only low res files so you keep the original. You negotiate your price for the image use directly with the buyer. I have bin with PD for about 6 months and already made $1200 from jst 5 sales, do the math.
In case you wonder – I do not work for PD. I am just a guy that passionate about photography and want to make extra money as you do. You can check out my portfolio if you would like.

Oh, one thing though, they will not represent you if you deal with microstock sites such as istockphoto, canstockphoto, shutterstock, dreamstime, bigstockphoto, crestock etc - why?
And I fully agree with them.

If you want to be paid fare for your work check them out!
www.photographersdirect.com
02/02/2008 11:46:03 PM · #206
Originally posted by msivyi:

I have bin with PD for about 6 months and already made $1200 from jst 5 sales, do the math.


I've made double that just from properly tagging photos on flickr, no commission, no fees.

Stock sales are pretty random unless you have a huge portfolio, be content to use it as residual income.
02/04/2008 05:18:51 AM · #207
If you really want to get into this I suggest you go read any of the 100 other threads where PD fans berate anyone who does microstock - all the arguments are there.

Suffice to say, regardless of microstock I wouldn't do business with an agency that presumes to tell me who else I'm allowed to work with.
02/04/2008 06:59:12 AM · #208
I get paid just fine for my work! I work from home and I get to do something I love and on top of it all I get paid for it....even when I sleep! You just have to keep at it!

Message edited by author 2008-02-04 07:14:48.
02/04/2008 08:36:22 AM · #209
Originally posted by wavelength:

Originally posted by msivyi:

I have bin with PD for about 6 months and already made $1200 from jst 5 sales, do the math.


I've made double that just from properly tagging photos on flickr, no commission, no fees.

Stock sales are pretty random unless you have a huge portfolio, be content to use it as residual income.


Thats a good point. Many photo sharing sites today allow image buyers the ability to search, see images and contact the photog directly, cutting out the middle man (ie stock agency) and it makes it a win/win.

As for the micro VS macro war. I was going to jump on the micro bandwagon thinking I may as well make some money from my images but the more I thought about what the buyers got in value for the use of my images and what I got I decided not to whore my images out and will stick to macro sites and business via sharing image sharing sites.
02/04/2008 09:20:22 AM · #210
Life is beautiful on the micros.... it's my full-time income. I took December and almost all of January off. Traveled to Florida and Panama and lo and behold... chaching! I still made tons of moolah! And my trips are tax deductible! :-)

You say we only make pennies... my top images have generated over $1000 each and I get more exposure than just selling it once at $1000.

But what do I know. ;-)
02/04/2008 09:50:49 AM · #211
You guys all make a good point and sound very convincing. I may give it a try my self see how it goes. What site would recommend going with?
Question – People who download your image have full right to your image? Can they turn around and sale it to anyone else ?

Message edited by author 2008-02-04 09:51:17.
02/04/2008 09:56:09 AM · #212
Originally posted by msivyi:

You guys all make a good point and sound very convincing. I may give it a try my self see how it goes.

Ummm...wouldn't that jeopardize your PD relationship? Per your last post in this thread.
02/04/2008 10:13:23 AM · #213
Originally posted by msivyi:

You guys all make a good point and sound very convincing. I may give it a try my self see how it goes. What site would recommend going with?
Question – People who download your image have full right to your image? Can they turn around and sale it to anyone else ?


People who buy your image off a stock site dont have the right to resell it, they are simply paying for the ability to use it. RF (ie royalty free) means that a fortune 100 company can license an image for $1 and use the image as many times and for as long as they would like.

Licensed or rights managed means that they would buy your image for a specific and intended use. Example would be print ads in a magazine(usually specific ad size and distribution size of magazine is taken into account). After the initial intended use if they want to use the image again for a billboard or another ad campaign they would have to pay another license fee.
02/04/2008 10:16:37 AM · #214
I am still thinking about it. I may ask my wife to signup with microstock site and upload images that are not on PD.
02/04/2008 10:17:35 AM · #215
Originally posted by melking:

I get paid just fine for my work! I work from home and I get to do something I love and on top of it all I get paid for it....even when I sleep! You just have to keep at it!


Considering your latest camera purchase, I don't think anyone would argue with you on that! Congrats on the 1Ds Mk III!
And on the topic at hand. I read a report somewhere (I honestly don't remember where I saw it) that compared per-image earnings on microstock vs. macrostock. And guess what? Microstock, on average, gives you a HIGHER anual return per image than macrostock! Selling for pennies? I don't think so--it adds up. Sorry if this has already been mentioned--I'm jumping into the this conversation a little late in the game. :)
02/04/2008 12:23:13 PM · #216
Originally posted by Kaveran:

RF (ie royalty free) means that a fortune 100 company can license an image for $1 and use the image as many times and for as long as they would like.

This is not exactly the case -- all of the micro sites (all stock sites, really) have limitations on the uses to which the pictures can be put and the number of replications made, whether the photo is "royalty-free" or "rights-managed."
02/04/2008 08:59:58 PM · #217
Just wondering...does Alamy allow you to upload images now, or do you still have to burn a CD and ship it to them? Also I want to sever ties with my microstock co., fotolia, because they are so incredibly disorganized in terms of indexing pictures. On the plus side I have sold the same exclusive image 4x over at 1$ per...whoohoo
02/04/2008 09:05:20 PM · #218
Originally posted by snaffles:

Just wondering...does Alamy allow you to upload images now, or do you still have to burn a CD and ship it to them?


Yes, they are allowing uploads now... pretty neat, but keywording on that site is a royal PITA>
02/12/2008 11:57:39 AM · #219
Originally posted by Pixlmaker:

Originally posted by melking:

I get paid just fine for my work! I work from home and I get to do something I love and on top of it all I get paid for it....even when I sleep! You just have to keep at it!


Considering your latest camera purchase, I don't think anyone would argue with you on that! Congrats on the 1Ds Mk III!


Thanks! the new camera is awesome!
02/12/2008 06:21:02 PM · #220
wow, yeah congrats melking :)

I am hoping to add that camera to my arsenal but I shall see what the budget dictates.
02/15/2008 02:56:24 PM · #221
Originally posted by leaf:

wow, yeah congrats melking :)

I am hoping to add that camera to my arsenal but I shall see what the budget dictates.


thanks leaf...I just put away a bit each month for a camera fund! took me two years but I did it! I am sure you make a good amount off stock yourself!
02/15/2008 07:22:16 PM · #222
Originally posted by melking:

Originally posted by leaf:

wow, yeah congrats melking :)

I am hoping to add that camera to my arsenal but I shall see what the budget dictates.


thanks leaf...I just put away a bit each month for a camera fund! took me two years but I did it! I am sure you make a good amount off stock yourself!


yeah i do but I seem to keep finding 'other' things to spend my money on :(
I work 80% in microstock and about 20% in wedding and portrait photography. Wedding and portrait seem to keep sucking my profits away from microstock :( I have made a good return on my microstock investment, but I still don't think i have recouped all my social photography costs. maybe later this year a new camera will find it's way to my mail box.... maybe :)
02/22/2008 06:20:45 AM · #223
Ya I hear ya! I do a bit of portrait photography and it is just not worth the money I make from it....I can make allot more by shoot things for stock. But I like doing portraits....but money wise it is better for me to just do stock.
02/22/2008 12:41:29 PM · #224
Originally posted by melking:

Ya I hear ya! I do a bit of portrait photography and it is just not worth the money I make from it....I can make allot more by shoot things for stock. But I like doing portraits....but money wise it is better for me to just do stock.


but the funny part is, anyone who is doing portraits, and taking $100 per shooting or whatever they take would laugh at me selling stock for $1.00/photo.... but in the end, it is the $1.00 sales that end up paying the bills.
02/23/2008 03:31:21 PM · #225
Originally posted by leaf:


but the funny part is, anyone who is doing portraits, and taking $100 per shooting or whatever they take would laugh at me selling stock for $1.00/photo.... but in the end, it is the $1.00 sales that end up paying the bills.


ya a $1.00 here and there all adds up to big dollars! You even make money while you sleep...hehe
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