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09/16/2002 02:08:10 PM · #1
<img border=0 src="//cakili.image.pbase.com/image/4730095.jpg]

Comments ? Like it ? Dislike it ? Think it doesn't count as a
study of negative space ?


09/16/2002 03:23:08 PM · #2
I guess I will be the first to take a stab at it. Do I like it on the scale of 1-10? I would give it a 4. Does it meet the challenge? yes
I think you could have zoomed in quite abit and still have met the challenge. To me it looks like there is to much negative space. Why even have the boat in the photo? All the negative space takes away from the positive space. Isn't the negative supposed to make you so wow to the image. I don't say wow on this one. sorry.
09/16/2002 03:33:23 PM · #3
I think it has some wow,. I like the sunny top half, and the dark bottom half.
09/16/2002 05:06:14 PM · #4
I REALLY like this one. I can Feel the breeze. I think this challenge has really produced some impressive work while people struggle to define their ideas of what neg/pos relationships should be.

To me a solution that would sucessfully portray negative space is one that powerfully defines and balances the positive. Negative space is creating shapes with the void around the subject that excite the brain on a subconcious level. That to me is powerful negative space, not just empty space. A good example of this is the image commonly seen depicting a vase or two faces, seen interchangably, but never simultaneously.

This is not to say your image is "wrong" in its portrayal of negative space, but maybe not as strong as it could be.

Thats what they taught me in design school, anyhow.

Beautiful shot, none the less!
09/16/2002 06:04:08 PM · #5
I like the photo, but do not think I would rate it high in this challenge. Which is the subject in this? The boat? The sky? The ocean? They are all powerful, and therefore I'm not sure if it is a good example of neg. space...imho.
09/16/2002 06:15:17 PM · #6
It's a nice picture, Gordon, but it doesn't pull at me at all.

Well, here's the one I DIDN'T submit, as well:
<img border=0 src="//www.nurgle.net/dpchallenge/01.jpg]

This one was somewhat generic, and "safe", so, true to form, I submitted the more "artsy" one, and took the risk. When will I learn?



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09/16/2002 08:09:46 PM · #7
I really like both shots. Gordon's a little more than Lennier's but both are excellent. I would score Gordon - 9, Lennier - 8.

Both would pass my definition of meeting the challenge but neither is strictly a study of negative space I dont think. They both have negative space IN them but I'm not sure how much it adds to the shot. Let me emphasise that I would not knock any marks off either shot for their compliance or otherwise with the challenge.

Great work guys.

John
09/16/2002 10:17:24 PM · #8

A few more outtakes hereif anyone has the time to view them. They are totally different from what I submitted and I'm beginning to think I made a bad choice. Especially since an artist friend of mine that I asked to critique them said she preferred the B&W. Alas, her message didn't arrive until Monday morning. Live and learn
09/16/2002 10:23:46 PM · #9
syamjonimi
I did some shots just like that.....even with sunlight and the blinds!! I didn't save mine, and glad now. Your's are much better. Well done.
:)
09/16/2002 10:38:46 PM · #10
Originally posted by kee:
syamjonimi
I did some shots just like that.....even with sunlight and the blinds!! I didn't save mine, and glad now. Your's are much better. Well done.
:)


Kee----
Thanks....Great minds think alike??? Would like to have seen yours. Maybe another time....

Shar


09/16/2002 10:46:13 PM · #11
I also prefer the b&w. It's a good composition and the contrast is looks in b&w.

Originally posted by syamjonimi:

A few more outtakes hereif anyone has the time to view them. They are totally different from what I submitted and I'm beginning to think I made a bad choice. Especially since an artist friend of mine that I asked to critique them said she preferred the B&W. Alas, her message didn't arrive until Monday morning. Live and learn


09/16/2002 11:58:07 PM · #12
I do like lenniers picture better, because its nice and clear and the all the negative seems to bring my eye to the subject (positive part of the photo). Love the cloud. Does the photo seem bent or is the building slowly collapsing? I would have given you a 7.

Syamjonimi, I love the black and white tack photo. I would have given you a 10. Nice one. It makes me say WOW. Great imagination to come up with that one. :)


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09/17/2002 12:10:53 AM · #13
Originally posted by Sonifo:
[i]I do like lenniers picture better, because its nice and clear and the all the negative seems to bring my eye to the subject (positive part of the photo). Love the cloud. Does the photo seem bent or is the building slowly collapsing? I would have given you a 7.
[i]
Actually, the road right below it makes it look crooked, I took the picture at an angle to the building (so the polarizer would have maximum effect) tho on second thought, the building was in bad enough shape, i wouldnt be suprised if it was crooked.
09/17/2002 01:18:59 AM · #14
Thanks to labrynth and sonifo for your input. I'm regretting my choice more and more as time goes on....You'll see why at the end of the challenge.
09/17/2002 01:20:52 AM · #15
Gordon;

I really like the photo at the top of this thread. I think i would like it batter without the beach at the bottom of the shot. If the beach weren't showing I would think this was taken out on the high sea.

I love the colors and contrasts.

Shar


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09/17/2002 06:32:08 AM · #16
My Outtake, I would like comments please
<img border=0 src="//www.msnusers.com/beckmanfrankandjan/negativespaceouttakes.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=522]
09/17/2002 06:34:50 AM · #17
Originally posted by Frank Beckman:
My Outtake, I would like comments please
<img border=0 src="//www.msnusers.com/beckmanfrankandjan/negativespaceouttakes.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=522]


Ok what am I doing wrong I wanted to post the picture here not the link, but all I got was the red X link

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09/17/2002 06:51:47 AM · #18
syamjonimi , I like your 'take1' a lot ... would have give it 8 probably.
09/17/2002 07:18:38 AM · #19
not to be rude, but I dont regard photos with skies as their negative space as negative space pictures. There's just too much going on in the entire picture for there to be any feeling of blankness. You're supposed to be drawn into the subject because it's meant to be the only point of interest in the photo. The "negative space" in whichever definition is supposed to help your subject stand out, help it be placed in an atmosphere without there being much actual atmosphere. hard to explain...
09/17/2002 07:30:21 AM · #20
Originally posted by BigSmiles:
not to be rude, but I dont regard photos with skies as their negative space as negative space pictures. There's just too much going on in the entire picture for there to be any feeling of blankness. You're supposed to be drawn into the subject because it's meant to be the only point of interest in the photo. The "negative space" in whichever definition is supposed to help your subject stand out, help it be placed in an atmosphere without there being much actual atmosphere. hard to explain...


Well, photos with skies as negative space do count...negative space can be anything. Are there photos using sky's as negative space that are weaker than others using a sky?

Absolutely.

Just like there are weaker photos using anything as negative space than other photos using the exact same type of negative space.

Negative space can be filled with stuff or completely empty. Makes no difference..it is dependent on the photo and how the photo makes use of negative space. Not the specific type of negative space.
09/17/2002 07:50:51 AM · #21
Originally posted by Sonifo:
I do like lenniers picture better, because its nice and clear and the all the negative seems to bring my eye to the subject (positive part of the photo). Love the cloud.

You contradicted yourself here. If the negative (sky) brought your eye to the positive (house), how come you got stuck on the cloud, which is in the negative??

To me, there is no negative in the picture. There is too much contrast between the sky and the cloud to call it a 'negative'. I'd give it a 1.
09/17/2002 09:47:52 AM · #22
Wow... a 1? Yikes. I think the photo deserves more than that. A 1, huh? Hmm. Seems in focus to me.. seems composed well,... even if it is not necessarily negative space, does a photo with other good attributes deserve a 1? Hmm. (which one were you referring to?)

Well, not sure I should dare follow that with this critique request but, here goes nothin'....

(Warning! It's on that "other site" }8-) )
Neg Space Outtake


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09/17/2002 10:52:48 AM · #23
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
Wow... a 1? Yikes.

I hadn't had my coffee yet...perhaps a 2?


Well, not sure I should dare follow that with this critique request but, here goes nothin'....


I LOVE IT. That is negative space working at its best. It defines your subject, it's not distracting and it's gorgeous. Great shot. Great show of negative space. I'd give it a 3 ;)kidding...I think it's perfect.
09/17/2002 11:22:17 AM · #24
I put this in some other threads. This is a good tuturial for negative space. negative space
09/17/2002 11:34:14 AM · #25
Originally posted by zadore:
Originally posted by Karen Bryan:
[i]Wow... a 1? Yikes.


I hadn't had my coffee yet...perhaps a 2?


Well, not sure I should dare follow that with this critique request but, here goes nothin'....


I LOVE IT. That is negative space working at its best. It defines your subject, it's not distracting and it's gorgeous. Great shot. Great show of negative space. I'd give it a 3 ;)kidding...I think it's perfect.[/i]

LOL grin
Karen





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