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10/10/2020 11:45:29 AM · #26

Originally posted by photoboy19:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by photoboy19:
is the grip comfortable because I've heard its not the comfiest

I have no problems with it.

Same here, no problem, and I have XL hands.

I have tiny hands

I have very small hands. Can't reach an octave on the piano.

10/10/2020 11:46:47 AM · #27

Originally posted by photoboy19:

what's the difference between the r and the a7iii besides the mega pixels???

Don't know. The R and S were out of my price range anyway. And the 7iii was a little beyond. So I stretched to get it.

10/10/2020 12:10:36 PM · #28

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by photoboy19:
what's the difference between the r and the a7iii besides the mega pixels???

Don't know. The R and S were out of my price range anyway. And the 7iii was a little beyond. So I stretched to get it.

you wanted the s? do you also do video?

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glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

10/10/2020 01:06:27 PM · #29

Aiden - I know you're young(-ish) so you probably have way more awareness of various research tools out there, but one good place to start, IMO, is to go to some of the vendors and plug various models that you're interested in, into the 'Compare' option.

For example, here's 4 camera's in a comparison on B&H.

Only 2 of the above are within your budget. Conversations about the Sony R and S seem irrelevant given their price tags.

If (big if) you find someone that's actually owned and/or USED the camera bodies you're interested in, then their opinion could hold some merit. Otherwise it's speculation ...

10/10/2020 01:09:34 PM · #30

also doesn't the r have like 4500 focus points and the a7iii has like 450. are they different ways of measuring or is canons autofocus that much better and I've heard that sonys menus are trash. but other than that I'm sold on the sony a7iii with an ef to e adapter

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10/10/2020 03:23:01 PM · #31

Originally posted by photoboy19:

also doesn't the r have like 4500 focus points and the a7iii has like 450. are they different ways of measuring or is canons autofocus that much better. because other than that I'm sold on the sony a7iii with an ef to e adapter

I think you'll find that the latest generation of Sony and Canon cameras are closely matched in AF performance, with Canon probably having an edge in face detection. Canon's interface and controls are better. Sony's sensors are top notch, and Canon's latest generation are very competitive. Folks will tell you that the previous generation of Canon sensors were "way behind" but that is in fact an overstatement. They are extremely good sensors as well.
I don't know how EF lenses are going to fare as far as AF on a Sony body; I have no direct experience, and have not read up on it, since I have no interest in switching to Sony. Making system switch is a huge decision, not something you want to do more than you absolutely have to.

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10/10/2020 03:24:49 PM · #32

Ya think I'm going to go with the eos r mostly because of the fact that I already have canon lenses

10/10/2020 03:26:45 PM · #33

but I might save up for either the r5 or the a7s III for mostly just video

10/10/2020 08:47:43 PM · #34

Originally posted by photoboy19:

Sony tracking is far superior to Canon, however, the ability to choose the focus points is more of a challenge, at times. However, the tracking is so much better than my old canon, that I can deal with some of the more inconvenient issues.

I get irritated every time people complain about Sony's menus. Yes. They are cumbersome, but it's because there is SO MUCH that you can do with them.

And there is absolutely no reason to complain about the menus, since you can create your own menus and put your frequently used things there. So in that case, it's much much easier than other cameras menus.

People just haven't bothered to learn how to live with them. Do your research, and they're wonderful.

(and no, I don't do video)

10/10/2020 08:49:20 PM · #35

Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by photoboy19:
also doesn't the r have like 4500 focus points and the a7iii has like 450. are they different ways of measuring or is canons autofocus that much better and I've heard that sonys menus are trash. but other than that I'm sold on the sony a7iii with an ef to e adapter

Sony tracking is far superior to Canon, however, the ability to choose the focus points is more of a challenge, at times. However, the tracking is so much better than my old canon, that I can deal with some of the more inconvenient issues.

I get irritated every time people complain about Sony's menus. Yes. They are cumbersome, but it's because there is SO MUCH that you can do with them.

And there is absolutely no reason to complain about the menus, since you can create your own menus and put your frequently used things there. So in that case, it's much much easier than other cameras menus.

People just haven't bothered to learn how to live with them. Do your research, and they're wonderful.

(and no, I don't do video)

And making the system switch was painful. But I got good prices for my good canon lenses, and that helped the switch. Plus, sony's noise is soooo much better than the canon noise. That's why I switched to begin with. But the tracking is so cool.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

10/10/2020 10:07:07 PM · #36

Originally posted by vawendy:

Sony tracking is far superior to Canon...

Sony had and advantage over Canon's last generation, namely the R and RP. That is simply not the case with the R5 and R6. Canon's face detection and tracking has the advantage over Sony's tracking, although they are in fact very close, and both are simply astounding.
As for noise, I know you struggled with Canon and noise, however factually, the latest generation from either manufacturer are roughly equal, and the same goes for dynamic range.

glad2badad

DJI Mavic Air 2

Sears 55mm f/1.4 M42

10/10/2020 10:20:29 PM · #37

Originally posted by kirbic:

... Canon's face detection and tracking has the advantage over Sony's tracking, although they are in fact very close, and both are simply astounding. ...

Curious, this statement is based on what? A study? Some scientific speed test? etc ...

Cuttooth

Canon EOS R

10/11/2020 12:57:56 AM · #38

What about a canon RP? It would be much better than the 50D which you have (I had one too). I have the R and only EF glass and the adapters work great with EF lenses. The variable ND filter with the adapter makes it so I can use my 14mm prime for long exposures which is great. I also have the adapter with the control ring which is also great. Also adding, I have relatively small hands and the grip on the R is really comfortable, you'll be very used to it if you like the feeling of the 50D. The RP I think has the same ergonomics with that grip.

You could also look for a used R or like you said see if it will go on sale for black friday..or even prime day 2 days from now. I got mine during the christmas deals and it was $1499 and amazon was giving 15% cash back if using the amazon card which made it even cheaper. good luck

10/11/2020 07:19:59 AM · #39

off topic a bit but this morning my dad (I'm young) told me i should get lenses and not a camera. do you think the 50d is enough? because I don't

10/11/2020 12:06:00 PM · #40

Originally posted by photoboy19:

off topic a bit but this morning my dad (I'm young) told me i should get lenses and not a camera. do you think the 50d is enough? because I don't

It definitely is a solid suggestion. You really don't have that great of lenses. They're serviceable, but not excellent.

You actually can go with any system that you want (Canon or Sony), because you are best served by using the native lenses. So you really don't have a canon system. You have a mixed batch.

I had the Tamron 28-75, it was a nice lens, but you'll notice that it doesn't hold its resale value very well at all. You get the best quality with the native lenses.

If you're thinking about sticking with Canon, I'd skip the new camera and put money into the glass.

If you're thinking of switching, you'll very quickly want to get new glass, because the converter with a Sony is doable, but you'll get frustrated quickly.

I used a Canon 40d and then a Canon 7d for a long time. Your 50D will give you good quality shots, excellent quality with good lenses. What you're upgrading to is really just bells and whistles.

If you were my kid, I'd say get the good glass and wait on the camera.

(ok, that being said, I haven't kept up with Canon -- I assume their L series lenses are still just as good on the mirrorless? Or have they gone with a different type of lens on mirrorless?)

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10/11/2020 12:21:45 PM · #41

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by kirbic:
... Canon's face detection and tracking has the advantage over Sony's tracking, although they are in fact very close, and both are simply astounding. ...

Curious, this statement is based on what? A study? Some scientific speed test? etc ...

As a potential buyer for the R5, I've read a lot of reviews on all aspects of performance of the latest generation of Canon's RF-mount cameras, the R5 and R6. In most reviews I have seen, Canon's face detection has a small but discernable edge. It tracks a greater variety of animals, tracks eyes more fully to somewhat greater distances, and holds tracking just a bit better during action. But again, nitpicking. Both systems are astoundingly good.

10/11/2020 12:30:03 PM · #42

Originally posted by photoboy19:

off topic a bit but this morning my dad (I'm young) told me i should get lenses and not a camera. do you think the 50d is enough? because I don't

It's good advice, frankly. One thing that is for certain, full frame cameras can make lenses that look good on APS-C cameras look a lot worse. And the Tammy 28-75 is the poster child for that. It does pretty darn well on APS-C, but on full frame, the edges are not pretty. Really good glass for full-frame is expensive, and often large and heavy.

I went full-frame in 2005, and never looked back, but it is a choice, and it is not the right choice for everybody, or even perhaps for most. If you want to go that direction, it is even more important to thoroughly research to the glass you will want/need, because without good glass, nothing else matters.

10/11/2020 12:59:29 PM · #43

a lot to think about. Because my camera is clunky and glitches sometimes and the it has trouble focusing sometimes. also the front dial is broken, but I know the r and an rf lens is way up there in price

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

10/11/2020 02:21:30 PM · #44

EF mount is certainly going to be around for a long time, and as folks move to RF, I expect prices on used EF glass to be attractive. Nonetheless, the RF glass is going to be top-notch, and will include features or combinations of features that are not possible on the EF mount. If money is no object, we RF is the way to go. But for most of us, money is certainly an object.

GinaRothfels

Olympus 8mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko Digital ED Fisheye PRO Lens

10/11/2020 06:57:40 PM · #45

Originally posted by vawendy:

(ok, that being said, I haven't kept up with Canon -- I assume their L series lenses are still just as good on the mirrorless? Or have they gone with a different type of lens on mirrorless?)

EF lenses can be used on all Canon mirrorless cameras with an adapter, but there are new types of lenses made just for their mirrorless cameras.

10/11/2020 09:17:36 PM · #46

Originally posted by GinaRothfels:

Originally posted by vawendy:
(ok, that being said, I haven't kept up with Canon -- I assume their L series lenses are still just as good on the mirrorless? Or have they gone with a different type of lens on mirrorless?)

EF lenses can be used on all Canon mirrorless cameras with an adapter, but there are new types of lenses made just for their mirrorless cameras.

The Canon mirrorless mount is known as "RF." EF lenses will, with an adapter, function as they normally would, and to their full specification. There's no glass in the adapter, so there is no image degradation. Native RF lenses use the shorter flange distance and larger flange diameter to their advantage, as well as the (much) faster communication. Canon in-lens IS functions in concert with the n-body IS on their latest cameras to increase performance.

10/12/2020 06:44:19 AM · #47

if you have an aps-c lens with an ef to eos r adapter will the lens still not work or will it work?

Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro

10/12/2020 09:11:40 AM · #48

Originally posted by photoboy19:

if you have an aps-c lens with an ef to eos r adapter will the lens still not work or will it work?

As far as I know you can use them. They have a smaller image circle, so they won't illuminate the larger full-frame sensor fully. Because of this, the sensor records in a cropped mode. To figure out what the effective Mpx would be, divide the total sensor pixels by 2.5. So for a 30 Mpx full-frame sensor, you'd get a cropped image with about 12 Mpx.

GeorgesBogaert

Canon RP

10/12/2020 09:12:08 AM · #49

Originally posted by photoboy19:

if you have an aps-c lens with an ef to eos r adapter will the lens still not work or will it work?

It will work