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11/03/2004 02:13:08 PM · #1
For the sake of simplicity, and trying to keep the front page focused on photography, please continue any post election threads in this one.

Thank you.
11/03/2004 02:19:41 PM · #2
Okay, I think I have them all. Please note, I am only doing this because there were 5 or 6 threads discussing basically the same thing -- the election results.

If I missed any, I apologize, it is simply an oversight on my part.

karmat
11/03/2004 02:25:00 PM · #3
Weren't they originally separated so the individual sides wouldn't come together and start bashing each other? Seems like it made more sense to leave them as individual threads rather than creating yet another thread.
11/03/2004 02:25:36 PM · #4
YEH! Thank you thank you thank you !!! :-)
11/03/2004 02:25:43 PM · #5
well, there is always cross posting in each thread, so if you want to talk about the results, its here.
11/03/2004 02:27:09 PM · #6
Thanks karmat. :)
11/03/2004 02:27:45 PM · #7
Thanks a lot for reducing all of the election threads, I was really considering making the rant threads unvisible in the preferences.
11/03/2004 02:33:39 PM · #8
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:

Weren't they originally separated so the individual sides wouldn't come together and start bashing each other? Seems like it made more sense to leave them as individual threads rather than creating yet another thread.


I should hope that each side can be mature enough to win/lose graciously, and continue in a forward direction for the good of our country. What has happened, has happened. No amount of ridiculing, griping, complaining, or celebrating will change that.

Personal attacks will be hidden/blocked/deleted (choose your term) and the violater warned.
11/03/2004 02:41:39 PM · #9
Be mindful of this list when you're patting yourselves on the back... Nobody won last night.

//www.antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
11/03/2004 02:52:58 PM · #10
My condolences to everyone who was hoping for a Bush defeat, including all non-U.S. citizens reading these forums who were hoping for the same. Apparently, four years of worldwide disgrace and dishonor, and a war criminal president wasn't enough to wake folks up. Wonder what it will take?

One hell of a depressing day....
11/03/2004 03:17:21 PM · #11
Why can't we all just come together? He won fair and square, popular vote by almost 4 million votes. The most votes any president has received in the history of the United States, around 59 million. Kerry understood that there was no possible way of picking up the votes to win Ohio, and I respect him for conceding. He himself said that we now need to come together as one nation and put aside our differences. He is your president and he deserves respect. If Kerry had one it would be the same way. I pray that Bush will do the right thing in the next four years, and I have faith that he will.

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Message edited by author 2004-11-03 15:44:38.
11/03/2004 03:39:28 PM · #12
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

Apparently, four years of worldwide disgrace and dishonor, and a war criminal president wasn't enough to wake folks up. Wonder what it will take?


Americans have their reputation for a reason.
11/03/2004 04:15:24 PM · #13
Yes, people all over the world are doing all they can to get here.
America is still the land of oportunity like no other.
We want no part of Sociocomm "idears".

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 20:41:56.
11/03/2004 04:31:01 PM · #14
And people like you, David Ey, are trying to keep them out!

Two consoling thoughts I've had today: (1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone; and, (2) if this country could survive Richard Nixon, we can survive four more years of George W.
11/03/2004 04:43:52 PM · #15
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone


..or over half of us didn't want Kerry...
11/03/2004 04:46:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by Maverick:

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone


..or over half of us didn't want Kerry...


Or approximately 1/5th of us wanted Kerry and 1/5th of us wanted Bush and 3/5ths of us did not care, did not vote, were too young to have a voice, etc.

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 16:47:06.
11/03/2004 04:47:14 PM · #17
Originally posted by Maverick:

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone


..or over half of us didn't want Kerry...


About a quarter, in either case...
11/03/2004 04:54:14 PM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by Maverick:

Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:

1) Almost half of us wanted Bush gone


..or over half of us didn't want Kerry...


About a quarter, in either case...


True. I was particularly disappointed to hear that the youth vote wasn't the large amount initially expected.
11/03/2004 05:02:00 PM · #19
Originally posted by TomFoolery:

Why can't we all just come together? He won fair and square, popular vote by almost 4 million votes. The most votes any president has received in the history of the United States, around 59 million. Kerry understood that there was no possible way of picking up the votes to win Ohio, and I respect him for conceding. He himself said that we now need to come together as one nation and put aside our differences. He is your president and he deserves respect. If Kerry had one it would be the same way. I pray that Bush will do the right thing in the next four years, and I have faith that he will.

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Look, not matter what side you were on the US is in trouble. Until we find a way to bridge the divide between the philosophies of the two major parties we are doomed to repeat mistakes over and over. You can not ignore half the voting population, from either party. You can not suppress the ideas of one over the other forever. Such nations eventually end in anarchy. It looks to me that we are dividing along the lines of those who believe in a secular state and those who want more of a theological society. Seems strange that we are fighting to keep a state from going down the road to a religious based society while we move rapidly towards one. I think our founding fathers showed great foresight to try and keep the two issues separate.

I can only hope that the administration changes course and moves back to the center. Their history in this respect is not good however.

11/03/2004 05:08:21 PM · #20
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

You can not ignore half the voting population, from either party.

I can only hope that the administration changes course and moves back to the center. Their history in this respect is not good however.


This administrations policy is "stay the course", and they have proven that they can and will ignore half of the voting population.
11/03/2004 05:13:52 PM · #21
Originally posted by ericlimon:


This administrations policy is "stay the course", and they have proven that they can and will ignore half of the voting population.


Sadly, I fear you are correct. I'm already hearing the cries of "mandate" from the conservative talk shows.

four more years. : (

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 17:14:15.
11/03/2004 05:15:33 PM · #22
Well, well done Bush! Sorry Kerry!

At least we can now have another 4 years in UK of the Muppet Show!
11/03/2004 05:53:58 PM · #23
Well, America, how about that! Four more years of George W. Bush! Are we excited yet?

Just think, four more years of endless war, endless fear-mongering, endless American soldiers and Iraqi civilians dying every single day, endless increases in the deficit and air and water pollution, endless cronyism, endless tax cuts for billionaires, endless shredding of the Bill of Rights, endless under-funding of public education, endless color-coded terror alerts, endless bleeding of the Social Security and Medicare budgets, and endless right wing judicial appointments! I haven't been this excited and hopeful since my dog died!

I am so glad America has seen the light and elected George W. Bush, not just because of four more years of the above, but because this wonderful Christian, God-appointed president will save us all from the abortionists and the queers who want to defile the sanctity of marriage.

-- Nicole Antoun

edit: added the original author of this text

Message edited by author 2004-11-03 18:00:17.
11/03/2004 06:10:12 PM · #24
Indeed ericlimon.

I am still in disbelief. I am more upset that he won legitimately than if the GOP had cheated. Now the world is going to hate Americans, not just our government and president.

Short video, the culmination, George Bush MISTAKEN.


Message edited by author 2004-11-03 18:10:37.
11/03/2004 06:21:55 PM · #25
Originally posted by jbsmithana:

I think our founding fathers showed great foresight to try and keep the two issues separate.


Not at all. Consider a few quotes from those founding fathers:

* James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution":
"We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."

* John Jay, the first Supreme Court Justice:
"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

* Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".

Also consider...

* Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1789.

* Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.

* As you walk up the steps to the building which houses the U.S. Supreme Court you can see near the top of the building a row of the world's law givers. In the middle, facing forward, is Moses and he is holding the Ten Commandments.

* There are Bible verses etched in stone all over the Federal Buildings and Monuments in Washington, D.C.

What the founding fathers saw was that it was wrong to force the citizens of the country to follow one perscribed branch of religious faith, nor for that matter to force them to follow any religious faith at all. This is not at all the same as saying that those we elect should not be allowed to legislate, administrate or ajudicate based on the principles of the religious faith that they hold, so long as it doesn't infringe on each individuals beliefs. It also doesn't mean that those of us who hold to a religious faith should not allow that faith to guide us in our selections, or in the political platforms we wish to see promoted.

Of course, finding and staying on the lines between these ideals is the great challenge.
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