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04/06/2020 08:43:52 PM · #26
Originally posted by Lydia:

Originally posted by pointandshoot:

Originally posted by glad2badad:

And there's this too. Except I don't know why it was felt necessary back in the day to have a 'lowest' as well.

Maybe to remind us of why we do what we do.
a poet none of us knew.


I think that I don't understand.

I LOVE it that Ashley was into photography and it helped her in her very, VERY rough spot.
I really hope that it helped her and that she's doing really well now.

But, what does that have to do with scores? What did I miss, please?

I'd love to know how Ashley is now, if you have info on her!


Indeed, what does it have to do with scores? What does Ashley's poetry have to do with scores? Her photography got low scores, so it must not have been good. This is the standard that Jake wants so hard to maintain. I mean, look at the number one highest rated photo on the site. Look at that billiard ball. It stands over us like a monument to greatness. We must never compromise these principles, not for the photography of Ashley Trent. And where is her poetry? Why does she never show us her poetry's scores? Could it be that her poetry is also in need of improvement? Maybe her poem needed more focus. Maybe her poem needed to stand to the right a little bit so a flagpole didn't come out of its head. She needs to know these things! Maybe her poem is too much of a snapshot. She needs to hit the ball on the mark... get it? The ball... the BILLIARD BALL?? it's like a metaphor. now THAT is poetry. I can't find Ashley's poems anywhere. Perhaps the poetry editors have given her the brown ribbon. Just imagine how terrible it would have been if someone made her feel good about her poems for a minute. Luckily the world is full of Jakes to maintain the standards of integrity. Heaven forfend some Juliet come along and start a thread to make Ashleys feel good about themselves and tell us what they learned! If such a thing were to happen, we could only hope that a Jake will swoop in and remind them even in this tiny flimsy sanctuary of their mediocrity. It is the only way they will learn. I'm sure somewhere out there, under a pile of Jakes, Ashley Trent is ready to blossom like that rose beneath the April snow, and write her very own Wasteland just when the world needs it most, some time this week probably.

And what did Juliet do, what was her sin? Not handing out dicks, no. Her true sin was listening to the mediocre, letting them speak... thinking she might have something to learn from them Regardless Of Scores. After all, this thread was originally for comments about comments, and had nothing to do with scores. We can't have that.

Imagine photography and poetry without scores! I mean don't imagine it. Don't you dare.

04/07/2020 09:46:51 AM · #27
And this is where the diehards are confounded by the obvious - something I am thankful Ecce_Signum, GinaRothfels, glad2badad, marnet and others manage to grasp.

Want to make this about art? Want to make this about appreciation in the now? I'm perfectly fine with that except for that everything else n this place is driven by your score history. It doesn't track your average finish as a percentage of the field, it tracks your average score and sticks it at the top of your profile. It doesn't show you your top 5 finishing images based on ribbon color, it shows your top 5 scores regardless if they won or not. Look at mine - 3 of my top 5 didn't even win, but they scored high.

If you want to have this not be about a number then throw everything that has to do with historical scores out the window and make it the vapor that you want it to be. I am more than OK with that. But until then, as has been pointed out by the links about, the number means significantly more than you all want to admit. Because it's placed out there as a carrot. Heck, if it wasn't then why would there a persistent World's Tiniest Violin thread?!

It's not like I'm too dense to understand the ethereal nature of scores for some of you. I'm just saying you want to believe that they mean nothing in a place built around them and nothing but them. So until that goes away I will stand by my words.

And for Pete's sake, if this was all about appreciating and not scoring imagine all the comments - like there were in this challenge. As you sit in your high chair and stare down at the hopeless masses as you're so painfully forced to ascribe a numeric value to a picture (something you have done nearly 200,000 times), why not tell them why their work is so "mediocre"? Because a lot of us came here to hear it. You can't have it both ways and not expect the bright shiny object that supposedly means nothing not to mean a whole lot to people when it's all that's there.

Message edited by author 2020-04-07 10:02:19.
04/07/2020 10:33:07 AM · #28
Boy oh boy.
04/08/2020 12:29:43 PM · #29
After having read this entire thread, I'm left with one thought: Dont ever change, DPC. Dont ever change. :)
04/08/2020 01:01:14 PM · #30
:))))
Nice to see you back :)
04/16/2020 12:02:38 PM · #31
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

Want to make this about art?

It is.
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

Want to make this about appreciation in the now?

It is.
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

I'm perfectly fine with that except for that everything else n this place is driven by your score history. It doesn't track your average finish as a percentage of the field, it tracks your average score and sticks it at the top of your profile. It doesn't show you your top 5 finishing images based on ribbon color, it shows your top 5 scores regardless if they won or not. Look at mine - 3 of my top 5 didn't even win, but they scored high.

You need a system whereby you *can* differentiate, where the people can apply their designation of value to the image relative to the others.....hence scoring. But that's simply a way to delineate images and express your opinion in an efficient manner. You can comment on top of that.
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

If you want to have this not be about a number then throw everything that has to do with historical scores out the window and make it the vapor that you want it to be. I am more than OK with that. But until then, as has been pointed out by the links about, the number means significantly more than you all want to admit. Because it's placed out there as a carrot. Heck, if it wasn't then why would there a persistent World's Tiniest Violin thread?!

There's a difference between making it all about the numbers, which seems to be your perspective, and those of us who use the numbering system within its limitations to keep the site moving on a regular basis through the challenges. Believe it or not, some of us love the numbers some weeks and couldn't care less the next week. Wild, huh???

It is an index to be used however you see fit. Personally, I love the weird anomalies. My highest score is not a Blue. The highest site recorded score is certainly not a world class image, yet there are literally hundreds here that are.
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

It's not like I'm too dense to understand the ethereal nature of scores for some of you. I'm just saying you want to believe that they mean nothing in a place built around them and nothing but them. So until that goes away I will stand by my words.

So you've never gotten a "Meh" score on an image you really liked and gotten a couple comments from people you respect and admire that made that score irrelevant? That's a seriously solid, momentous DPC thing for me. That is the kind of thing you learn about scores.
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

And for Pete's sake, if this was all about appreciating and not scoring imagine all the comments - like there were in this challenge.

Whose case are you trying to make with this?
Originally posted by JakeKurdsjuk:

As you sit in your high chair and stare down at the hopeless masses as you're so painfully forced to ascribe a numeric value to a picture (something you have done nearly 200,000 times), why not tell them why their work is so "mediocre"? Because a lot of us came here to hear it.

Sure isn't likely you might see the point of his post or anything. Perhaps...... You might look at someone else's perspective and not assume everyone's is the same as yours.



Message edited by Bear_Music - Content edited to remove finger pointing and ad hominem remarks.
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