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06/02/2016 03:36:17 PM · #26
oh my.
06/02/2016 05:37:57 PM · #27
Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.
06/02/2016 06:08:33 PM · #28
Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.

"Fair" doesn't seem to me to be relevant. We have a simple rule that all entries are subject to validation, and an original is required for that. It can't be that great a burden to archive two files.

I can't reveal don't remember any specifics, but we've had a situation where one validation investigation led to a review of earlier entries, revealing a pattern which resulted in something more than the simple DQ of the initiating image. As one of those responsible for making sure the challenges are "fair" I think it's necessary that we be able to validate any image any time.
06/02/2016 06:58:26 PM · #29
Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by nygold:

What is the time limit on when it's safe to delete old originals? Seems unfair to ask for validation weeks after the challenge has ended.

just curious, why on earth would you ever delete an original file?


I really have no use for most of what I shoot for DPC. To be quite honest I don't even like most of the images I submit here.

I really would like to see a validation time limit. How about 30 days? Seems fair.

"Fair" doesn't seem to me to be relevant. We have a simple rule that all entries are subject to validation, and an original is required for that. It can't be that great a burden to archive two files.

I can't reveal don't remember any specifics, but we've had a situation where one validation investigation led to a review of earlier entries, revealing a pattern which resulted in something more than the simple DQ of the initiating image. As one of those responsible for making sure the challenges are "fair" I think it's necessary that we be able to validate any image any time.


I have no problem with the validation rule.
I also have no problem with validating ALL the images in the challenge.
I do have a problem with waiting weeks then asking for a validation of an ugly image that ended up near the back page.
It's the lack of a time limit. Do you really think it's necessary to validate an image from a challenge that ended in November of 2015?
06/02/2016 11:28:10 PM · #30
You validate because... we have rules here.

And the rules need to be followed in order to... retain order.

Thanks, SC!!

06/02/2016 11:36:27 PM · #31
Oh... I haven't been following the thread... so... this isn't a political statement... if it seems like one.

*eek*

06/02/2016 11:38:23 PM · #32
I have noticed a VERY short validation time lately... in the last year or so.

Mostly happens within 48 hours.

I think it's amazingly fast lately... considering that they all have lives... and all have to reach a quorum.
06/03/2016 03:33:36 AM · #33
I think I prefer lemon curd to jam in the majority of cases.

But I realise its all a personal thing.
06/03/2016 07:16:41 AM · #34
Typical.
06/03/2016 07:22:30 AM · #35
Originally posted by Lydia:

I have noticed a VERY short validation time lately... in the last year or so.

Mostly happens within 48 hours.

I think it's amazingly fast lately... considering that they all have lives... and all have to reach a quorum.


Wonderful work from the SC.

06/03/2016 07:43:57 AM · #36
I do like the way Mr Bearman presents the DQ's with a bit more information and a personal touch.

It should be taken further, IMHO. Take for example this DQ of mine, for the Technically Flawed challenge. Bear wrote:

"One of the former 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken a day too early; the photographer counted wrong :-( "

I would like to see the DQ's written in the following vein:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(
06/03/2016 10:08:20 AM · #37
Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)
06/03/2016 10:52:34 AM · #38
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)


Three cheers for Penny!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

Hip, Hip, Hurrah!

I can see that she works behind the scene, making all of our lives more pleasant. Ha!
06/03/2016 10:53:09 AM · #39
Originally posted by herfotoman:

I do like the way Mr Bearman presents the DQ's with a bit more information and a personal touch.

It should be taken further, IMHO. Take for example this DQ of mine, for the Technically Flawed challenge. Bear wrote:

"One of the former 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken a day too early; the photographer counted wrong :-( "

I would like to see the DQ's written in the following vein:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(


That's the way I read it in my mind, of course.

;)
06/03/2016 02:18:35 PM · #40
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by herfotoman:

One of the former undeserving 2nd place images has been DQ'd because it was taken by a rank amateur with no work-pride, a day too early; the photographer should be whipped to within an inch of his life as he admitted he counted wrong :-(

Those only happen on days when I write up DQs before I've had my morning coffee-and-avocado, and Penny makes sure I don't miss that because I get crabby :-)


Eeewww... You put avocado in your coffee?? Why ruin a perfectly good avocado?!
04/25/2021 12:00:44 PM · #41
I did a quick overview of this thread, I hope I didn't miss my question.
My question is on archival. Afer a certain point I try to format my memory cards.
I would like to participate in archival challenges but I am not sure how to resubmit the original if requested.
04/25/2021 12:30:20 PM · #42
I copy my files from the memory card to my hard drive using the operating system's "drag-and-drop" method first. Then I edit a copy of that file; the original remains on the hard drive (and later on backup -- another HD, CD/DVD, or USB stick). I don't erase from the camera card until this transfer is complete.

The file copied from the card to the hard drive should still be an "original" unless you use other software to copy from the card to the hard drive; those can sometimes introduce other data making it impossible to determine the original date.
04/25/2021 12:43:43 PM · #43
Thank you so much for your help. I will look into this method.
04/25/2021 12:45:36 PM · #44
Originally posted by GeneralE:

I copy my files from the memory card to my hard drive using the operating system's "drag-and-drop" method first. Then I edit a copy of that file; the original remains on the hard drive (and later on backup -- another HD, CD/DVD, or USB stick). I don't erase from the camera card until this transfer is complete.

The file copied from the card to the hard drive should still be an "original" unless you use other software to copy from the card to the hard drive; those can sometimes introduce other data making it impossible to determine the original date.

Yep. I do the same and keep a standalone external drive for storing original files. I make sure NOT to touch that with other software programs (i.e. Lightroom or Paint Shop Pro) when doing key-wording for archival purposes.
04/25/2021 03:36:39 PM · #45
Going back to one of the original points/questions in this thread. Here's one of mine that was validated DURING voting.



I can't remember now whether I submitted the original at the same time as my entry, or whether SC asked for it. I do recall that both they and I suspected at least some voters would vote it down because they thought the text had been added in post and was illegal. In this case, the validation was requested and revealed as early in the voting process as possible as a courtesy to me. I appreciated that fact - even though the image and/or presentation was obviously lousy and the entry finished well down in the field.
04/25/2021 04:34:56 PM · #46
Thank you for the info. I have to take my computer off my cloud only use it for images and add a hard drive for validation as you all mentioned. I also have to organize LR better.
Most of my experience was with film. I am not computer savvy at all, but... I really want to learn!
04/25/2021 04:56:24 PM · #47
Originally posted by nam:

Going back to one of the original points/questions in this thread. Here's one of mine that was validated DURING voting.



I can't remember now whether I submitted the original at the same time as my entry, or whether SC asked for it. I do recall that both they and I suspected at least some voters would vote it down because they thought the text had been added in post and was illegal. In this case, the validation was requested and revealed as early in the voting process as possible as a courtesy to me. I appreciated that fact - even though the image and/or presentation was obviously lousy and the entry finished well down in the field.


Same thing happened to me with this one.



It was definitely because SC asked for it.
04/25/2021 11:26:51 PM · #48
When we see type added to a Standard Editing challenge we usually ask for proof for the reasons Nam described. Plus, of course, if the type WAS added in post then we get a chance to practice our booting technique :-)
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