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04/02/2015 12:11:41 PM · #76 |
| I would typically take a shot of one of my beautiful children for a challenge like this but I'm actually thinking of entering a selfie. I've yet to win a brown ribbon but if anything could do it for me it's my ugly mug. |
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04/02/2015 12:36:22 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Must be bad to be showing up for a portrait photo! Usually a more wide open F-stop for these, yes? |
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04/02/2015 01:38:06 PM · #78 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Must be bad to be showing up for a portrait photo! Usually a more wide open F-stop for these, yes? |
Why wouldn't that be a portrait shot. I pretty much always shoot portraits wide open. Some of the most revered portrait lenses are designed for just that. |
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04/02/2015 02:13:21 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Use a black background. |
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04/02/2015 02:35:33 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by Paul:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Must be bad to be showing up for a portrait photo! Usually a more wide open F-stop for these, yes? |
Why wouldn't that be a portrait shot. I pretty much always shoot portraits wide open. Some of the most revered portrait lenses are designed for just that. |
You missed my point ... I was stating that portrait shots ARE usually shot wide open, therefore sensor dust wouldn't be as prevalent. Sensor dust isn't so bad (usually) until you start stopping down, and then the dust darkens up rather than washing out. |
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04/02/2015 02:41:38 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Paul:
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Must be bad to be showing up for a portrait photo! Usually a more wide open F-stop for these, yes? |
Why wouldn't that be a portrait shot. I pretty much always shoot portraits wide open. Some of the most revered portrait lenses are designed for just that. |
You missed my point ... I was stating that portrait shots ARE usually shot wide open, therefore sensor dust wouldn't be as prevalent. Sensor dust isn't so bad (usually) until you start stopping down, and then the dust darkens up rather than washing out. |
Many thanks for the clarification. |
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04/02/2015 02:44:23 PM · #82 |
| I'm in. I forgot this was March madness, so I don't know that it will be good enough to make it past the first round. But I'm in. :) |
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04/02/2015 02:50:58 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I was stating that portrait shots ARE usually shot wide open |
not necessarily. |
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04/02/2015 03:24:29 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Use a black background. |
too late, let's just hope my model draws attention away from it |
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04/02/2015 06:00:25 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Use a black background. |
too late, let's just hope my model draws attention away from it |
Well, now that you've mentioned it, I'll look for it :)
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04/02/2015 06:35:24 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by smardaz:
How bad do you think I'll get dinged for sensor dust? |
Use a black background. |
too late, let's just hope my model draws attention away from it |
Well, now that you've mentioned it, I'll look for it :) |
Ok, well vote your heart, but go easy on me ;) |
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04/02/2015 06:35:29 PM · #87 |
The biggest problem with minimal will be tomorrow, people vote on it as if it was done in advanced.
Then people will get comments with tips on what should have been done to the image that are illegal in minimal.
This is what happens when you run a certain type of challenge once in a blue moon.
Either do it more or get rid of it.
Message edited by author 2015-04-02 18:35:52. |
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04/02/2015 07:06:25 PM · #88 |
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
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04/02/2015 07:15:53 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by nygold:
The biggest problem with minimal will be tomorrow, people vote on it as if it was done in advanced.
Then people will get comments with tips on what should have been done to the image that are illegal in minimal.
This is what happens when you run a certain type of challenge once in a blue moon.
Either do it more or get rid of it. |
That depends on how you vote. I ignore the editing rules when I vote and simply base it on what I think of the image. I am voting on the final product, not the process. Thus my votes for minimal and basic are always lower, on average.
I have to agree that comments that suggest violations of the editing rules don't serve any purpose though. |
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04/02/2015 07:46:54 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by jemison:
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
You certainly have the right to use your own judgment in voting but I couldn't disagree more. I took great pains in setting up my lighting and measuring the light. I then took several shots of different poses, certainly you would agree that is no different then the film days when you would have sheets of proofs from a portrait shoot? |
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04/02/2015 07:57:36 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by jemison:
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
I don't quite understand this, either... The idea is getting it right in the camera -- not getting it right on the first take. Even when I was shooting film, I'd take multiple shots of something to get it right. Plus, it makes it sound like it's just time that people need. It's not the time as much as the knowledge. Regardless of how much time I spend on it, I'm still not a Joey Lawrence. :) |
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04/02/2015 07:58:40 PM · #92 |
Originally posted by jemison:
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
You have a point. Getting it right in camera seems to mean 100 takes for some. |
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04/02/2015 08:01:51 PM · #93 |
| and... I think it's more difficult to get a posed shot than a candid, actually. :) |
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04/02/2015 08:09:14 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Originally posted by nygold:
The biggest problem with minimal will be tomorrow, people vote on it as if it was done in advanced.
Then people will get comments with tips on what should have been done to the image that are illegal in minimal.
This is what happens when you run a certain type of challenge once in a blue moon.
Either do it more or get rid of it. |
That depends on how you vote. I ignore the editing rules when I vote and simply base it on what I think of the image. I am voting on the final product, not the process. Thus my votes for minimal and basic are always lower, on average.
I have to agree that comments that suggest violations of the editing rules don't serve any purpose though. |
I'm the opposite I feel it's harder to get a good result with a minimal rule set so I feel that should be rewarded not punished. |
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04/02/2015 08:42:05 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by nam:
Oh man, I just realized this is due tomorrow. Somehow I thought I had until Sunday night.
Just in case anyone else is in the same boat . . . |
. Damn you've had a day to fix your problem!!!! Double Damn!!! |
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04/02/2015 08:57:24 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by nam:
Oh man, I just realized this is due tomorrow. Somehow I thought I had until Sunday night.
Just in case anyone else is in the same boat . . . |
. Damn you've had a day to fix your problem!!!! Double Damn!!! |
Yeppers. And now I have so many I don't know which to put in. Want to help? |
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04/02/2015 09:07:23 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by nam:
Originally posted by Ja-9:
Originally posted by nam:
Oh man, I just realized this is due tomorrow. Somehow I thought I had until Sunday night.
Just in case anyone else is in the same boat . . . |
. Damn you've had a day to fix your problem!!!! Double Damn!!! |
Yeppers. And now I have so many I don't know which to put in. Want to help? |
Sure my offers the very same as yours!!! |
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04/02/2015 09:10:47 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
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Yeppers. And now I have so many I don't know which to put in. Want to help? |
Sure my offers the very same as yours!!! [/quote]
LOL |
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04/02/2015 09:33:09 PM · #99 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by jemison:
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
You certainly have the right to use your own judgment in voting but I couldn't disagree more. I took great pains in setting up my lighting and measuring the light. I then took several shots of different poses, certainly you would agree that is no different then the film days when you would have sheets of proofs from a portrait shoot? |
You have a point. To a point. I think that rather than doing "shotgunning" and picking a pose you like from the batch (like in film days if you like - although digital is basically the same minus the proof sheets) the goal would be for you to plan the shot beforehand. You are doing it for your lighting before shooting anything...why not the same commitment to a pose? It seems that the multiple poses are normally designed to give the customer choices. I work in T&I business, and our goal is to get it right the first time. If you take a second (or more) you had better be trying to correct something like a blink, but the first shot otherwise should be only taken when the moment is right. There is little time for trial and error - even if the lighting and exposure are perfect. The biggest diff from film days in this business is that you used to have to retake on the mere suspicion of a blink. Now you can quickly check. Oversimplified, but that is the general idea...get it right the first time. |
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04/02/2015 09:40:41 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by nygold:
Originally posted by jemison:
My problem with this challenge is that any posed shot should be suspect, IMO. Keep shooting until you get it perfect and submit that one. That's a far cry from getting it right the first time, which seemed to be the spirit of the challenge. I'd bet posed entries might drop if they were shooting film, where a much higher premium is exacted for trial and error.
I know this is a sort of unfair prejudgment on my part, as I am sure that there will be a few posed shots that were one take only, but they will be mixed in with the rest.
My prediction is that I am not the only one who feels that way and the winner will be a candid. |
You have a point. Getting it right in camera seems to mean 100 takes for some. |
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Although I am trying to whittle down from about a dozen which one to enter (down to eight).
I fail to see how this challenge has anything to do with getting it right on the first shot. To me, getting it right in camera is more about trying to get all the details like composure and lighting right, since you can't fix it afterwords. I certainly spent a bit of time adjusting my lights to get that right. |
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