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 07/16/2004 09:19:51 AM · #1
This image in "advertisment revisited" finished about where it belonged, in the middle.
But I am curious about the 1's in the voting. It's in focus, properly exposed, and on topic.
It isn't even a potentially objectionable topic. I figure, "1" is the worst, so an image has to be so bad, there is no way for it to be worse, before I will give it a "1".

I would really like to hear from people who voted "1" or "2" on this, about their thinking. Not because I want to argue, I just really want to know what goes into the decision.

(for the record, I don't think it really deserved the 10's it got, but that's less mysterious: I think people liked my buttons)
07/16/2004 09:37:12 AM · #2
Looking at the histogram, it a near perfect normal curve. You're always going to get a few people that will find a reason to give you a one. Maybe they didn't think the picture itself stood on it's own as an advertisement? Without the title it doesn't look like an ad to me.
 07/16/2004 09:44:40 AM · #3
I was one of the upper rangers, and I voted high because I thought it was a realistic ad, but I can see how someone on first glance wouldn't notice the white button, and that would make it not look like an ad. Don't think that deserves a 1, though, since the picture is in focus, composed, and well lit, it should garner a 2 even without seeing the point of the image.
 07/16/2004 09:50:09 AM · #4
Dont worry about the 1´s ....

People vote in all kinds of funny ways in here.
I for example got almost double your 1´s on what I like to think is one of my coolest submissions....this one right here


Just keep going;-)

Edit: btw I didnt vote in this challenge but I think I would have given it a 5 maybe

Message edited by author 2004-07-16 09:52:26.
 07/16/2004 09:50:57 AM · #5
I got five 2's for this one


Don't know why :)

edit: typo

Message edited by author 2004-07-16 09:51:35.
 07/16/2004 09:56:38 AM · #6
Hanna, on a scale of 1 to 10, a photo needs to be pretty bad to be scored a 1 (or 2) - imho. If a viewer took the time and used specific criteria to rate a photo (e.g., meets the challenge, technically accurate, creative, etc.), he/she would find it very difficult to score your entry so low.

What I believe happens here is that, for many, the score is truly a "vote"; i.e., a popularity poll. People choose a score based on their own personal likes and dislikes - a gut feel. There are a number of DPCers who try to use a more objective set of criteria, as above. Both approaches are valid, in that they give you an idea of how your work is perceived. (I just wish we could somehow separate the two approaches...)

As has been pointed out in many threads, it all averages out in the end. There have also been many suggestions on how to improve the scoring. Maybe some of them will be implemented. All-in-all, however, while DPC isn't perfect, it's a damn sight better than anything else I've seen out there - for getting exposure and for guaging how your efforts stack up against those of your peers.

-len
 07/16/2004 10:15:40 AM · #7
You're getting the ones from a group of people that have their own preconceived notions about a what an advertisement photo should look like. Sometimes there isn't a whole lot you can do about it. If someone thinks an ad photo can only be a picture of a product for sale against a background, then anything else might get slapped with a one.

I didn't vote on this challenge, but I can see how your message could be overlooked (would have given it a 5 or 6). I would have suggested making the highlighted button stand out more- either by making it the ONLY colored button, or making the others similar in color. I would also opt for simpler text on that key button, "Your Message Here," for example. It was a good concept, though.
 07/16/2004 10:19:41 AM · #8
Originally posted by lenkphotos:

What I believe happens here is that, for many, the score is truly a "vote"; i.e., a popularity poll. People choose a score based on their own personal likes and dislikes - a gut feel. There are a number of DPCers who try to use a more objective set of criteria, as above. Both approaches are valid, in that they give you an idea of how your work is perceived. (I just wish we could somehow separate the two approaches...)

-len


In this poll, I voted as the instructions for those answering the Challenge were posted: "Your job is to photograph a product and have it appeal to your audience: the users of DPChallenge."

So, if an "advertisement" didn't appeal to me due to lack of vision and imagination, and lack of photo quality, then why would I want to pursue purchasing the item for sale? It doesn't matter what the product was, but whether your advertisement evoked some sort of emotion in me. Yours evoked curiosity, a desire to see what else you had for sale. That's the point of advertising.

I gave you an 8.
 07/16/2004 11:00:44 AM · #9
I know exactly how you feel I scored 4 '1's and 9 '2's with my entry for adverstising...........I was very pleased with my overall score just baffled how people decide their scores on some photos.
For the record I liked yours and gave it 7.
Sandie
 07/16/2004 11:25:28 AM · #10
Originally posted by airatic:
I was one of the upper rangers, and I voted high because I thought it was a realistic ad, but I can see how someone on first glance wouldn't notice the white button, and that would make it not look like an ad. Don't think that deserves a 1, though, since the picture is in focus, composed, and well lit, it should garner a 2 even without seeing the point of the image.


Yep, I didn't notice the white one. Although, had I been voting on it I probably would have took the time to read them all.
 07/16/2004 02:04:37 PM · #11
Almost every one of my photos I've entered (some of them pretty good if I may say so myself) and absolutely gorgeous photos that have won ribbons on this site as well as others that haven't. They continually get the "mysterious ones". Photographers, serious about their craft and damn good at it being slagged by some idiot.

...There are often one or two ones that show up on their scores...probably the same idiot doing it.

Don't let it bother you...lol..should have a standing rule at dpc...if the "mysterious" ones show up on a photo that is overwhelmingly a 7 or an 8...just disregard them...then "the idiot" is wasting his/her time.
 07/16/2004 02:19:11 PM · #12
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it, there is always going to be those people out there that like to hand out 1's for some reason or another. I do not see how anyone who meats the challenge should get a 1. I mean this is a challenge and you have limited time to find an idea so not every shot is going to be great. But if the challenge is met in the image then how can you give a 1? It is ridiculous but that is the way some people are. When I vote if you meet the challenge you start with at least a 3 and I add to it from that based on the quality of the image, so it would have to be a pretty bad shot to meet the challenge and get a 3 from me. If the challenge isn't met I do the same thing but start at 1.

Message edited by author 2004-07-16 14:23:52.
 07/16/2004 02:53:39 PM · #13
First: I never, never or is it hardly ever, use the one and two values to vote. Because, even if the picture does not fit the challenge, I still give it a 5 for good quality.

The truth of the matter, knowing human nature, is that some voters are simply vindictive. I am constantly looking at ports and I notice that images which are above question, many ribbon winners get their share of the ones and twos. How can this be?

This has nothing to do with falling in love with your work. The truth of the matter is that once you enter a challenge, beware, someone else is apt to outsmart you and beat you on concept and technique. But, regardless, it appears that quality of technique is not important to these voters.

There are all kinds of voting schemes in the works. One entrant may look at an image that may beat his and will give it a one. You know, kill the competition. This only hurts the voter himself. Look at the voting ratios in the ports, and if you find a wide disparity between votes given and votes received, you will find the people we reference here.

Again, the one and two vote has more personal reasons attached to them and has nothing to do with image quality or subject.
 07/16/2004 02:54:04 PM · #14
I got a bunch of 1s for the advertising challenge myself. I figured it was because I wasn't technically selling the statue, but rather, using the statue to sell something not pictured. Regardless, I scored as well as I expected and have grown to ignore the details.


07/16/2004 02:58:40 PM · #15
You are right. This is vested voting and it is best to ignore the baggage it carries. To give this subject too much attention is to divert valuable creative and shooting time.
 07/16/2004 02:59:37 PM · #16
I got several scores in the 3-and-below area on both of my ribbon-winning shots...I think it's all a matter of personal taste. Sometimes the subject of the shot is voted down by those who dislike whatever that subject is, regardless of any technically redeeming aspects of the image. Who knows...I'll just take what I get and be happy. :o)
 07/16/2004 03:03:02 PM · #17
I wouldn't mind so much getting a 1's or 2's if the person giving it would leave a comment to explain why such a low score was givin.
07/16/2004 03:13:00 PM · #18
Originally posted by Bassie:
I wouldn't mind so much getting a 1's or 2's if the person giving it would leave a comment to explain why such a low score was givin.


I sometimes vote 1 - 3 with out leaveing a comment.
But I only give 1-3 for realy bad pictures or pictures that don't meet the challange.

I would have given all of these pictures 5 or more.
 07/16/2004 03:23:55 PM · #19
Hi Everyone, I am one of the new people who is trying to learn photography and also how to use this site. I have read extensively in the Forums of the dissatisfaction of voting results. I would like to offer my suggestion as I also feel that the voting is unfair because the majority of people voting are not qualified to rate the technical aspects of the photo. My suggestion therefore is: dpchallenge selects a technical board consisting of at least 25 (more or less) people who are qualified to rate your photo and justify their score; and, all the other people should vote on an "eye pleasing" basis. This would give us two scores, but at least we would have a panel experts who would have to explain the reason for their score and offer possible solutions to improve our photographing abilities.
 07/16/2004 03:26:31 PM · #20
Originally posted by siggi:
Originally posted by Bassie:
I wouldn't mind so much getting a 1's or 2's if the person giving it would leave a comment to explain why such a low score was givin.


I sometimes vote 1 - 3 with out leaveing a comment.
But I only give 1-3 for realy bad pictures or pictures that don't meet the challange.

I would have given all of these pictures 5 or more.


I am just saying a comment left from a low score giver would be nice so I can learn from their input. I have been getting way more than my share of positive comments. So a little more constuctive critisizm would be nice :)
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