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05/20/2011 01:25:29 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by salmiakki:
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Got a model already lined up for either tonight or tomorrow night. |
Sorry DNMC. HCB is all about candid moments. |
Except that he was also well known for staging his candid moments. |
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05/20/2011 01:58:35 PM · #27 |
| If you have enough skill to make a staged scene look like a candid, how could anyone decide that DNMC? Seems to me the choice is yours. |
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05/20/2011 01:59:02 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by kichu:
If you have enough skill to make a staged scene look like a candid, how could anyone decide that DNMC? Seems to me the choice is yours. |
exxxaaccttly. |
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05/20/2011 02:03:52 PM · #29 |
As a photography noob, I'm interested in challenging myself to DARE to come out with a decent image for this challenge.
We'll see how this goes.. |
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05/20/2011 02:45:08 PM · #30 |
What a shame that my all time favorite photographer's challenge is hampered by the minimal editing rule. getting the look and feel of the Leica rangefinder out of a digital camera with no editing will be impossible for me. Lets save the minimal editing for silly challenges like what is in your refrigerator and not insult the legacy of great masters by making us follow them using half the tools in the digital workflow, or shooting with a camera phone, or only shooting while looking out a window of a moving car.
Digital cameras can not even come close to the look of a Leica film camera without the tools that are illegal here, and arbitrary limits ought to be saved for arbitrary challenges. |
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05/20/2011 03:05:23 PM · #31 |
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05/20/2011 03:34:39 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Digital cameras can not even come close to the look of a Leica film camera without the tools that are illegal here, and arbitrary limits ought to be saved for arbitrary challenges. |
An interesting point, I happen to prefer minimal more than basic, but advanced rule set is easily my favorite for my style.
Time to practice various ISO and monochrome settings to get the film feel you want. I think focusing more on his approach to seeing and the moments to capture is the core of this challenge. |
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05/20/2011 03:36:47 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Minimal editing? blech. Desaturate is such a unsatisfactory method for making a B&W. |
Now you can preach! BTW, do it in camera, don't desaturate in post. The results are much better. |
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05/20/2011 03:42:50 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Originally posted by kichu:
If you have enough skill to make a staged scene look like a candid, how could anyone decide that DNMC? Seems to me the choice is yours. |
exxxaaccttly. |
You can't tell me this shot wasn't setup. I just plain out won't believe you... //www.magnumphotos.com/Archive/C.aspx?VP=XSpecific_MAG.PhotographerDetail_VPage&l1=0&pid=2K7O3R14T1LX&nm=Henri%20Cartier%20-%20Bresson
eta: #46
Message edited by author 2011-05-20 15:47:57. |
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05/20/2011 03:43:05 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Time to practice various ISO and monochrome settings to get the film feel you want. I think focusing more on his approach to seeing and the moments to capture is the core of this challenge. |
But what is learned by using an inferior tool set in camera? Since shooting in monochrome JPEG is a vastly inferior way of capturing an image to using RAW and selective color luminance to get Cartier-Bresson's feel of TriX exposed in a Leica, why would I want to practice it? I can take an image by poking a hole in some cardboard and using that instead of a lens, but it isn't too exciting to do, and it makes an inferior image. |
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05/20/2011 03:46:18 PM · #36 |
Huh?? Why on earth not? Could totally be a candid, but maybe not. There's nothing about it that just SCREAMS "staged!!"
Message edited by author 2011-05-20 15:46:37. |
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05/20/2011 03:49:38 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by kichu:
Huh?? Why on earth not? Could totally be a candid, but maybe not. There's nothing about it that just SCREAMS "staged!!" |
Sorry, I didn't realize it went to the first image. It's number 46. |
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05/20/2011 03:51:44 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by kichu:
Huh?? Why on earth not? Could totally be a candid, but maybe not. There's nothing about it that just SCREAMS "staged!!" |
Sorry, I didn't realize it went to the first image. It's number 46. |
This one? |
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05/20/2011 03:52:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by kichu:
Huh?? Why on earth not? Could totally be a candid, but maybe not. There's nothing about it that just SCREAMS "staged!!" |
Sorry, I didn't realize it went to the first image. It's number 46. |
This one? |
Yep! Can't tell me he just walked into that scene with a camera. |
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05/20/2011 03:56:06 PM · #40 |
love it!
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05/20/2011 03:58:07 PM · #41 |
Pardon the extreme ignorance... *hides* but what are the effects that a Leica would give that we wouldn't be able to achieve with a digital camera?
*hides even more* |
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05/20/2011 04:00:23 PM · #42 |
I suspect the reason we are under this rule set for this challenge is this quote;
Actually, I'm not all that interested in the subject of photography. Once the picture is in the box, I'm not all that interested in what happens next. Hunters, after all, aren't cooks.
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Cartier-Bresson is hailed as the genius of the capture. the man of the "decisive moment". But he had a partner. Master printer George Fèvre printed for Cartier-Bresson, as well as Koudelka, Doisneau, and Lartigue. He was the cook to Cartier-Bresson's hunter. Without a great printer to edit and tone the images, what we would get is unfinished images. Without a cook the hunter can only serve raw meat. Bon Appétit.
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05/20/2011 04:02:15 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Time to practice various ISO and monochrome settings to get the film feel you want. I think focusing more on his approach to seeing and the moments to capture is the core of this challenge. |
But what is learned by using an inferior tool set in camera? Since shooting in monochrome JPEG is a vastly inferior way of capturing an image to using RAW and selective color luminance to get Cartier-Bresson's feel of TriX exposed in a Leica, why would I want to practice it? |
I meant for the challenge. Find a combination that is satisfactory for the limits of the challenge. I completely agree that you can not get the same quality BW image shooting JPG compared to proper processing in post. I would argue the same can be said for shooting in RAW and using the basic rule set.
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I can take an image by poking a hole in some cardboard and using that instead of a lens, but it isn't too exciting to do, and it makes an inferior image. |
Now this I find offensive! ;)
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05/20/2011 04:14:49 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Revecca:
Pardon the extreme ignorance... *hides* but what are the effects that a Leica would give that we wouldn't be able to achieve with a digital camera?
*hides even more* |
No hiding needed. Is a much debated area of how to achieve different sets of camera-film combinations effects in post processing. describing it in words is for me about as easy as describing the difference in sound between a violin and cello. the thing i love about the Leica is its rendering of strong detail while having very smooth blur.
To get it with my camera I would start with a contrast bump, some s-curves, a wide area unsharp mask with selective layers, and then desaturate with selective colors to get rid of the mushy grays that are the hallmark of digital. Then I would work with the particular image. |
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05/20/2011 04:26:47 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
I suspect the reason we are under this rule set for this challenge is this quote;
Actually, I'm not all that interested in the subject of photography. Once the picture is in the box, I'm not all that interested in what happens next. Hunters, after all, aren't cooks.
Henri Cartier-Bresson
Cartier-Bresson is hailed as the genius of the capture. the man of the "decisive moment". But he had a partner. Master printer George Fèvre printed for Cartier-Bresson, as well as Koudelka, Doisneau, and Lartigue. He was the cook to Cartier-Bresson's hunter. Without a great printer to edit and tone the images, what we would get is unfinished images. Without a cook the hunter can only serve raw meat. Bon Appétit. |
I'm certainly a fan of polished images but the idea of this "challenge" is in the seeing. I could have suggested basic or advance editing but then the voters would focus more on the quality of the finishing rather than the substance.
ETA: Thank you Langdon.
Message edited by author 2011-05-20 16:27:19.
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05/20/2011 04:52:39 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Yep! Can't tell me he just walked into that scene with a camera. |
Oh I see. Yeah, probably set up. BUT, there's nothing about it that would make me declare DNMC for a candid shot. It could very well be candid. He COULD have happened upon that, millions of photograhers have. He could have captured a private moment between two people by some random chance. That's the beauty of a shot like that.
Message edited by author 2011-05-20 16:55:47. |
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05/20/2011 04:56:11 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Actually, I'm not all that interested in the subject of photography. Once the picture is in the box, I'm not all that interested in what happens next. Hunters, after all, aren't cooks.
Henri Cartier-Bresson
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love it!! |
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05/20/2011 04:59:40 PM · #48 |
the "decisive moment", seems fitting for the end of the world... thanks  langdon. |
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05/20/2011 05:03:48 PM · #49 |
Thanks for posting this, loved it, was very educational with many great insights. Really looking forward to this challenge! And IMO, minimal editing is the only way to go with this challenge. |
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05/20/2011 05:17:07 PM · #50 |
| If you liked the interview, rent Cartier-Bresson: The Impassioned Eye sometime. Netflix has it. This sort of film is so rarely as good as it ought to be, and here it really delivers. |
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