OK... I admit... I cheated (Alfa going 230 km/h)

07/09/2003 08:15:12 AM · #26

Originally posted by jochen:

jochen, you act, think and talk childish...
Sorry, but Ben here is so right...

I'm not wasting time on writing more by now... it seems to me that you only get upset about people not liking your "honesty", it seems to me that what others have written doesn't change your absurd thoughts...

sorry.

v.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG for Canon

07/09/2003 08:20:44 AM · #27

Yes! Seems like a few people do have the right perspective in this!

magnetic9999 writes

If a person has NO HONOR, then they must live with that within themselves. Can you be happy knowing you got a good score by CHEATING? If you can, then there's something wrong with you.

Exactly! As I said; I would never cheat to up my score, or to win!
My intent was completely different. Hence my admitting to have
cheated in this forum.

...and Nazgul, who writes:

but does it really matter any if ppl cheat or not .....
does this have any real value in the real world any way?

Good point too. It's OK to question the rules sometimes (altough
it wasn't my intent to do so at this time). What value does the
"no spot editing" rule have? Suppose EVERYONE started editing their
pics... would the average end score be any different in the end?
Most certainly not. But would it improve the end-quality of the
(top-)pics. There's a fair chance that might be the case. And yet
another question you should ask yourself (certainly if you take
these types of web contests very seriously); "am I not fooling
myself by not editing my pics (as in the end they could end up
lower on the chart, because other people's "edited" pics look more
perfect and are thus more appreciated)?

Think about it.

robsmith

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

07/09/2003 08:29:11 AM · #28

Regardless of your motives the rules are clearly posted.

If your intention was to get my spot editing techniques to top level you could have posted the edited version for comments after the challenge.

If an athlete, football player, swimmer, etc. cheat they get banned regardless of whether they finish first or last.

I suggest you think about it.

07/09/2003 08:29:36 AM · #29

HONEST/DISHONEST

Seems a lot of people get on that train. All right...

Dishonest would be to use spot editing to get a better score. I did not do such a thing.

Honest would be to - even if you broke the rules for other reasons than improving the score - admit to having cheated. I did that

Dishonest would be to shut up about having cheated. I did not do that.

Catch my drift.

Seems some people like to make an elephant out of a mouse. And it doesn't just stop there. Expressing their difference in opinion is not enough. No. They have to call me "insane", or "14 years old". Am I calling anyone insane for expressing THEIR opinion? No...

Please don't treat me as some mentally deranged retard. I passed the Mensa-test recently, so I don't think I'm that stupid.

Sigh...

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

07/09/2003 08:31:10 AM · #30

If your intention was to improve your spot-editing skills, then why did you submit it to a non-edit-challenge?

We have gone through this over and over again, and the DPC community voted on having the rules not changed, but to have a more frequent all-editing-challanges (like the Nude challenge).

I can't see that your cheating is proving anything, I guess you want to tell us that all of the submissions COULD be spot-edited.

I have realized that all by myself, and your cheating and fighting here does not change my mind in any way.

I think that you have gone too far in this FUN of yours...

Try to see our perspective; I get yours and I still think it's stupid.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

07/09/2003 08:33:06 AM · #31

I think its unfortunate for this site when someone willfully and knowingly abandons the rules. I think you have intentionally slapped this site in the face.

07/09/2003 08:37:01 AM · #32

Originally posted by jochen:

HONEST/DISHONEST

Dishonest would be to use spot editing to get a better score. I did not do such a thing.

I'm pretty sure you would have gotten one of the lowest scores if your speedometer had showed zero...

so, you got a better score after cheating, and that makes you pretty dishonest since your cheating was intentional...

sorry but I can't agree with your honesty.

v.

07/09/2003 08:37:16 AM · #33

If your intention was to get my spot editing techniques to top level you could have posted the edited version for comments after the challenge.

I did so. Right here in this forum, right after the end ofthe contest. Is there another way to do it? Or should I have done it before voting was over? I don't think that was an option; people would certainly critique my pic by saying "I think this pic was edited here and there...", thereby ruining my "test".

If an athlete, football player, swimmer, etc. cheat they get banned regardless of whether they finish first or last.
I suggest you think about it.

Comparing this free-to-enter non-professional web contest professional sports proves my previously-made point; some of you REALLY take this site way too seriously.
I suggest you think about that!

bod

07/09/2003 08:37:50 AM · #34

If what you did is so right then why aren't we all doing it? Why aren't the people who are calling for more editing to be allowed doing it?

Answer: respect

You have shown us none.

07/09/2003 08:39:47 AM · #35

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I think its unfortunate for this site when someone willfully and knowingly abandons the rules. I think you have intentionally slapped this site in the face.

That was NEVER my intention.

I am very surprised about the fierce reactions I get...

07/09/2003 08:41:56 AM · #36

Originally posted by jochen:

Comparing this free-to-enter non-professional web contest professional sports proves my previously-made point; some of you REALLY take this site way too seriously.
I suggest you think about that!

Maybe you should think about the disrespect you show all of them who follow the rules, and do their best to share and learn on "this free-to-enter non-professional web contest" well I paid my 25$ or whatever the members fee is...
paid with a smile on my face, happy to learn, happy to share my things and take part in this community.

v.

07/09/2003 08:44:51 AM · #37

Originally posted by vjoz:

Originally posted by jochen:
HONEST/DISHONEST

Dishonest would be to use spot editing to get a better score. I did not do such a thing.

I'm pretty sure you would have gotten one of the lowest scores if your speedometer had showed zero...

so, you got a better score after cheating, and that makes you pretty dishonest since your cheating was intentional...

sorry but I can't agree with your honesty.

v.

I can agree to disagree. Can you?

It has been written in this thread; the site relies on people's honesty (NOT to cheat with editing). But when I say that my intent was not to up my score, my words are not believed? Where does that duality come from?

I can assure you my words were honest.

I have no problem if admin now places my pic last, or even if they take my pic out of the contest. As I said; I got the result I wanted out of this already. I was/am not interested in my score.

07/09/2003 08:45:15 AM · #38

Originally posted by Nazgul:

but does it really matter any if ppl cheat or not .....

does this have any real value in the real world any way?

Real World? Do you or does anyone else think that just because this is the internet that it is surreal/fake in some way? Is this a play? "I'm not a real photographer, but I play one on the internet"?
What about moral code? What about values.
Why cheat? Did it prove anything?
This is a community of photographers who overall want a fun way to express themselves, learn more, and who would like to take subjects and photograph them seriously.

basia03

Canon PowerShot SX50 HS

07/09/2003 08:47:47 AM · #39

Originally posted by jochen:

... nobody dared to accuse me of "breaking the rules". Mission accomplished! :-)

they didn't "dare" because they thought that you follow the rules like everybody else at this site - until i have a proof to the contrary i believe that everybody does... it is very disappointing to me to see somebody cheat on purpose and then brag about it.

07/09/2003 08:48:19 AM · #40

Originally posted by jochen:

I got the result I wanted out of this already. I was/am not interested in my score.

and your result is?

a bunch of very pissed of people...
well, you did a good one on that, have a nice life, then...

I apreciate your honesty.

VÃ¶lundur J. Ã�z

07/09/2003 08:49:42 AM · #41

Originally posted by vjoz:

If your intention was to improve your spot-editing skills, then why did you submit it to a non-edit-challenge?

Because that was the only way to test if my edited pic looks exactly like a non-edited pic! Is that so hard to get?

We have gone through this over and over again, and the DPC community voted on having the rules not changed, but to have a more frequent all-editing-challanges (like the Nude challenge).

Has it occured to you that some people might not know the history of this site?

I can't see that your cheating is proving anything, I guess you want to tell us that all of the submissions COULD be spot-edited.

I have realized that all by myself, and your cheating and fighting here does not change my mind in any way.

I think that you have gone too far in this FUN of yours...

Try to see our perspective; I get yours and I still think it's stupid.

There's that "stupid" again. Am -I- calling anyone stupid? Why call names?

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

07/09/2003 08:50:10 AM · #42

Originally posted by jochen:

Geez...

Can't believe what replies I get.
I thought this site was about FUN.

So I bent the rules one freakin' time. Big deal. I did it for a reason, and that reason was not winning (participating is much more important than winning), and certainly not "upping my score" (don't see why anyone would rate my pic higher because of more km/h on the rev anyway).

I only wanted one thing out of this for myself; get my spot editing techniques to top level. Nothing else.

Hence my pic, and hence this thread in the forum.

But judgeing from your replies, honesty is not appreciated at all. Seems it's much better to cheat, lie about it, and perhaps even win while doing so.

Unvoluntarily, I seem to have proven a couple of things here:
-There are a lot of people on this site who take themselves, their hobby AND this site waaaaay too seriously.
-There is no way for the admins to really know when someone is cheating.
-Honesty is not appreciated. Stretch your neck, and you get chopped.

Wanna ban me? Then ban me.

I am soooo dissapointed in this site right now.

Bent the rules? Please! This is outrageous!

I would have suggested you get something out of this for yourself in a different way.... like, PS the heck out of it, and then post in the forums - NOT in a challenge.

For some of us, it is a prelude to a change of career... not "just a hobby"...

Furthermore, I have moral fiber whether it is a hobby or a career.

Kavey

Canon EOS-400D Rebel XTi

07/09/2003 08:53:41 AM · #43

Originally posted by jochen:

...when I say that my intent was not to up my score, my words are not believed?
...
I can assure you my words were honest.

I believe you.

However the reason that you cheated doesn't make any difference to me.
You may feel that the end justifies the means, that your particular reason justifies the cheating.

Many of us here clearly disagree.

You also say that you are able to disagree without resorting to insult yet you dismiss those of us who disagree with you as people who take this site or ourselves too seriously. I don't think it's a case of taking the site itself too seriously but a case of having respect for the honesty system of a site we've all chosen to participate in.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

07/09/2003 08:55:49 AM · #44

Originally posted by bod:

If what you did is so right then why aren't we all doing it? Why aren't the people who are calling for more editing to be allowed doing it?

Answer: respect

You have shown us none.

I'm not saying that what I did was right. And "we" are probably not all doing it because most of us would "cheat" to get better scores. Once again; that was never my intent.

To some extent I do agree that I have treated this contest disrespectfull. For that I am truly sorry. I hoped to "restore the balance" by admitting what I did in this forum ...mission failed, I guess. What else can/could I do? Leave this site? Will that make you happy? :-(

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

07/09/2003 08:57:31 AM · #45

Originally posted by jochen:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think its unfortunate for this site when someone willfully and knowingly abandons the rules. I think you have intentionally slapped this site in the face.

That was NEVER my intention.

I am very surprised about the fierce reactions I get...

Not your intention? I find that difficult to understand.

Sony 16-50mm f/3.5-5.6 E-mount

07/09/2003 08:57:54 AM · #46

You have heard our response.

jmsetzler

Sony Alpha a6000

07/09/2003 08:59:30 AM · #47

Just so you know, I have put in my vote for a penalty that is more harsh than just a disqualification of the photo.

07/09/2003 09:01:35 AM · #48

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

Just so you know, I have put in my vote for a penalty that is more harsh than just a disqualification of the photo.

I have also voted for this.

07/09/2003 09:03:06 AM · #49

Originally posted by Nazgul:

i recomend you get banned forever on this site for this ....

lol I think you would be surpriced how many of the pics in here are altered like this...

I know, Nazgul! :-)

I currently work at Agfa, in it's main factory here in Mortsel, Belgium. And my Boss happens to be one of the "big guys" of the Agfa fotoclub. Recently they had their yearly photo contest, and I was invited. Together with a friend (also shooting digital; D60) we looked at the contest entries. We could not BELIEVE our eyes. Not only were some pics edited in PS, but in some cases it was VERY visible (like using one of the PS filters).

And yes, they have a "no editing" rule too... but the people organizing the event, and judgeing the pics are rather old. I guess some of them don't know what PS can do.