Looking up
by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
Darn nab I am envious and I must know how to do this in my camera..
I tried 2 nights ago on a full moon clear night.. I can not get any details out of it...well I shouldnt say can not I should say havent and still trying.. This fugi must be able to..

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by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
You are so good at looking at everything...
Your eyes are awesome! You must apperently really know the color management in digital technology and for printing..
Thats a plus...To me I would think that there was nothing wrong with this image.. Do you use the color palette in photoshop while reading and understanding the numbers?
Just wondering because of your comments so far...
Its really got me thinking about color management...
I am sorry not to offend you but I kind of giggled a bit when you made the statement about spending so much time with the technical issues and the camera capabilities...I agree with you..Now I just need to focus on what my camera does instead of the outcome or what other cameras do..
Though its all good to know about the technical things in photography and as many cameras I have been through I understand now what you are talking about as well as going through..... Sometimes I think I have it and I know my camera then other times haha wasnt right and it shows me..
My scores show for it as well.. So now that we are going through this walking through it step by step I am pretty sure I will get a awesome photo in the end... I hope anyways.. :) Ok back to the picture....factors to eyes and training thyself to study a image on the screen without distractions of other glares from lights and such...
I dont see how anyone does it in the daytime.. I may have to check this out tonight.. and see if I can tell any other differences.. By the way both of your shots are very good models.. like Charles said..very good keep up the good work and studying you will go far...

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by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
Here it is a graph...

Found on this site here...More on Color management...

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by David.C

Comment by tolovemoon:
awwwhhh the sample paper to carry everywhere.... The first lesson in our photography meetup group this year was about setting the white balance and the exposure in your camera by taking a photo of a white card, black card, gray card, or the Kodak card that has all the colors I believe it would be 256 colors on that card. To be exact O had to look it up.. its the Kodak Polychrome, Colorflow, custom color card..(Gives you a true colors square for all the colors and a chart with all the values of the colors.) Mr. Parks (majoring in color science) used it during his demonstration...It was indeed the best 2 hours of non stop talk about color science, color management, and white balance....At the end when it was time for us all to go home...everyone left with headaches, I'll tell you my head was splitting open and others were complaining too..There is more than 2 hours of info he went through but after I started reading again about it all it started sinking.. Here you have the best color range for sure.. You can match up the colors in the light of your subject in a photo program when you take the photo of the card too. I have tried.. but my editing skills arent the greatest and I find myself skipping out on taking a pic of these 3 imporntant elements..white, black, and gray...You more than likely know about all of this, I just thought I share for others and to see how much I remember..Here is a site that I just found that really goes in debt with the Color balance and it says that a sample color card from wall paint that you can find in home depot, walmart...would do...its rather intersting.. //www.microscopyu.com/articles/digitalimaging/colorbalance.html

Message edited by author 2005-07-22 14:06:04.

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by David.C

Comment by sheapod:
Wow! There's absolutely nothing I can say here. I'm ashamed to admit you've thought about this much more than I ever have. That's pretty much why I'm taking part in this mentorship though. I've got to learn to stop and think about a photo before I press the shutter button. :-)
Personally, for what it's worth, I like the exposure.

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by David.C

Comment by sheapod:
It looks really good to me. I'm going to have to try exposing with a grey card. It's pretty rare for me to get such good exposure right out of the camera.

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by David.C

Comment by Dr.Confuser:
You've done a good job commenting on exposure, working backwords to determine what you did that yielded those results, and reasoning forward to what you would do differently next time. Note to our mentor group: This is an excellent habit to get into. It will help you improve over time.

On the scale of 1 (bad) to 10 (good) this is closer to 10 than to 1. The under exposed background does no damage at all and makes a nice frame around the subject flowers. You've lost some definition in the flowers you might have preferred to keep. Not terrible but there could have been a marginal improvement.

Your choice of Spot metering was excellent since your subject was significantly brighter than the background and it gives you the best chance for correct exposure. Do you think center weighted average whould have improved or worsened the result? Let me know your thoughts here.

I am curious about your choice of shutter speed and apereture. You indicated it was too bright for your camera. Yet, you used a pretty wide open lens (F/3.4) and a moderate shutterspeed (1/500). Could you have dealt with the brightness with a faster shutter? I suppose you chose F stops to narrow DOF. If not, could you have used a smaller lens opening? Obviously, I am sneaking up on a future topic.

Probably because your neice was shielding the flowers, it isn't obvious where the sun was. Where was the sun relative to you and your subject? Would a different camera angle yielded different exposure results?

Message edited by author 2005-07-15 20:32:09.

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by David.C

Comment by Balko:
I like this too. What don't you like about it? My neighbor has these roses (in pink) and I sneak over there to get shots too LOL I usually do auto levels and that would brighten the petals. If auto levels sucks, then I do it manually :)

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by David.C

Comment by Balko:
I think this is great exposure. I see no problems.

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by David.C

Comment by Dr.Confuser:
David, firstly thanks for posting your SOOTC original. This is what we need if we are going to work together to achieve predictably good exposure. Secondly I like the photo just as it is (and I have to say I love a quantitative girl!)

I agree with your analysis of the exposure. One of the things I like about this is that it has variety of exposure and good intense and well saturated colors. This will make it an intrinsicly more interesting photo. You can see it in the histogram with multiple spikes. And you can see the exposure bias (left shift) due to your use of a a micro-fibre gray card.

A fine job and a good model of good exposure.