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07/20/2007 10:39:40 PM |
"Praying to the Porceline God" is a cliche that means "throwing up in the toilet" and that's all. (That's not a mockery of religion).
Let he who has never prayed to the Porceline God cast the first stone! (That IS a mockery of Christianity).
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07/02/2007 01:55:45 PM |
I didn't bother to read all these comments but who ever saying thats its a Mockery of Religion should think of what your saying. What is he mocking?
Religion is something very personal and different people believe in different things, this photo isn't bashing Christianity, Muslims, Atheists etc.
Its just saying the model in this is praying to the toilet. I think sometimes people will twist a photos intent into making it something very personally and attack on the photographer. |
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06/13/2007 11:49:42 PM |
Yup, you're right! I knew it wouldn't score well, but I couldn't resist. Yes, the puke is fake. Chicken dumpling soup and BBQ sauce for the color. Thank you!
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06/13/2007 08:31:15 PM |
Greetings from the critique club! This is my second image ever to critique, and, well... wow!
Pros:
Well, if you're looking for a powerful, viceral image, this works - it does inspire a strong reaction. And the fake (please let it be fake) puke looks very good.
Cons:
I think you know the answers here, but first of all you (as you knew going in) turned off a lot of voters; DPC voters don't vote high for "ick" as an emotion. The composition is also very busy; if the "humor and shock" element were removed I don't think you'd see many people defending the "artistic quality" of the piece; I also don't think that's what you were going for as your portfolio makes it abundantly clear that you know how to take an aesthetically pleasing shot.
Challenge:
I, for one, appreciate creative takes on challenges, and as an atheist am not bothered by your message particularly... but again from the voters perspective you're going to turn some people off with this take of what is a very serious subject to many.
Overall, I think you knew what you were signing up for when you submitted!
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06/07/2007 06:34:45 PM |
Originally posted by Blackbox:
If you look back in history, the record of the ancient egyptians is one of the most preserved. We all know about the different astrological symbols - constellations - they are sometimes called 'Houses' or 'Ages'. It takes approximately 2160 years for the earth to travel from one 'age' to the next. Right now, we are approaching the 'Dawn of Aquarius' - nobody is exactly sure of the date. If you subtract today's year, you will find that is roughly when 'Paganism' fell to christianity (in popular belief). Looking back further, into popular ancient egyptian symbols, you can find that the 'Ram' which represents the 'Age' of Aries dominated the ancient egyptian culture. Prior to that (roughly 2160 years earlier), it was the Bull of Taurus. So, naturally, when the early christians in trying to find the easiest way to convert people to their faith, used familiar and similar beliefs of the former Pagan culture to make the transition not so diffucult for people. The christian 'age' started in the 'House of Pisces' - the fish. That's the 'fish' I'm talking about.
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VERY GOOD!, Blackbox! I've heard this before. ALSO, the "Age of Aquarius" also represents a discarding of the spitirual influence, replacing it with intellectual influences. I'm looking forward to that! Trouble is, at 49, I won't see as much of it as I'd like to.
Carl
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06/07/2007 05:11:06 PM |
'HOLY SHIRT' - too funny! Yes, I've seen that 'Darwin' modification to the the christian 'fish' (which I think is also funny [to me] refering to the 'creationism vs. evolution' theories) but 'no', not the DARWIN fish.
If you look back in history, the record of the ancient egyptians is one of the most preserved. We all know about the different astrological symbols - constellations - they are sometimes called 'Houses' or 'Ages'. It takes approximately 2160 years for the earth to travel from one 'age' to the next. Right now, we are approaching the 'Dawn of Aquarius' - nobody is exactly sure of the date. If you subtract today's year, you will find that is roughly when 'Paganism' fell to christianity (in popular belief). Looking back further, into popular ancient egyptian symbols, you can find that the 'Ram' which represents the 'Age' of Aries dominated the ancient egyptian culture. Prior to that (roughly 2160 years earlier), it was the Bull of Taurus. So, naturally, when the early christians in trying to find the easiest way to convert people to their faith, used familiar and similar beliefs of the former Pagan culture to make the transition not so diffucult for people. The christian 'age' started in the 'House of Pisces' - the fish. That's the 'fish' I'm talking about.
Anyway, this is fun but sorry it's not really about your photo or photography which is what I guess we should be disgusting. I mean discussing. I personally can respect whatever anybody wants to believe in - it's nothing to go to war over. |
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06/07/2007 04:10:31 PM |
Originally posted by Blackbox:
I wonder if anybody noticed the subtle 'religious' symbols strategically placed on the shower curtain? There is that 'fish' that looks curiously like a christian symbol I've seen on the backs of cars in the form of bumper stickers or magnetic signs and also the 'star' which very much resembles an ancient egyptian symbol called a 'Duat' that represented the place where the Sun God Ra travelled thru the heavens. |
You mean the ones with feet and the name DARWIN in it? Another sign of divinity is that HOLY SHIRT! It's of the "fishnet" style designed to harvest those religious symbols. |
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06/07/2007 04:05:53 PM |
This is a great image that did not deserve it's placing. I didn't vote in this challenge but it would have got a 6 or higher from me. It is technically better than many that scored higher. I can see how those with "traditional" religious beliefs would be offended by the material and thus score this low. The topic description was however "What do you believe in?" so the image fits...the person being depicted clearly belives in drinking too much :)
I wonder if changing the title would have made a big difference to the score. "God help me for I have lost my way" may have appealed to the masses more as the message in the image would have turned from one of a godless person after too much drink to someone who understands they need help but feel powerless at present. Just my thoughts.
In any case, well done on an image that provokes discussion. |
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06/07/2007 04:03:36 PM |
Originally posted by samanwar:
In my opinion, this is a nasty and disgusting photo that has no artisitic value whatsoever. I didn't vote on this challenge but I would given it a 1.
Disagree with me all you want, but respect my right to comment on the damn shot. |
Sure. Actually, in this forum, comments are expected. At Burning Man, not necessarily. So comment away! You're on a roll!
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06/07/2007 02:23:17 PM |
Originally posted by Zeuss:
alanfreed, samanwar, smardaz, you guys need to go there. You'll learn that if you don't like something you see, look the other way. Your way is OK for you, and some other way is OK for others.
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Umm, wrong.. If I don't like something I see, I express my opinion about it, then I look the other way. I don't see anything wrong with that.
In my opinion, this is a nasty and disgusting photo that has no artisitic value whatsoever. I didn't vote on this challenge but I would given it a 1.
Disagree with me all you want, but respect my right to comment on the damn shot. |
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06/07/2007 02:14:48 PM |
| I wonder if anybody noticed the subtle 'religious' symbols strategically placed on the shower curtain? There is that 'fish' that looks curiously like a christian symbol I've seen on the backs of cars in the form of bumper stickers or magnetic signs and also the 'star' which very much resembles an ancient egyptian symbol called a 'Duat' that represented the place where the Sun God Ra travelled thru the heavens. |
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06/07/2007 12:29:49 PM |
Originally posted by SandyP:
...And that is that the only thing that shocks me about the whole thing is the statement that there is no evidence that there is a God. |
Hi SandyP. Thanks for the comment.
You've probably given all the reasons you believe there is a god or a creator, and I'm sure you get a great overwhelming emotional responce from it, such as viewing the beauty of the snow capped mountains on a clear day, but if you look closely, you haven't given any evidence that points outside of the mind.
Because of that you have to rely on faith. Dictionary.com reports "FAITH" as: Belief that is not based on proof. That's a lot different than saying "There he is, behind that bush!"
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."
- Seneca the Younger (circa 4 B.C.E - 65 C.E)
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06/07/2007 10:49:45 AM |
Whoah! There are quite some passionate opinions on this topic and photo aren't there. I guess I have one too :)
And that is that the only thing that shocks me about the whole thing is the statement that there is no evidence that there is a God. Wow! Looking at the amazing intricacies of science and nature, the life formations inside wombs that make survival possible in each species' own very particular environments, the position, orbit synchronization of the planets. The very beginning of the first anything. . .to think it all happened by accident, and even if it did. . .where did the conditions causing the "accident" come from. And that's not even to mention lives that have been completely transformed by surrendering their life to something bigger than themselves.
Sure. . .man has screwed it up royally. . .but that doesn't negate the reality of all the evidence that it was created by something MUCH more sovereign than us.
Well. . . .all that to say it just blows my mind that anyone could seriously not believe there is a God, but that's just me, and I totally respect others' right to feel differently.
The photo. . .aside from any religious statement whatsoever is just not an appealing photo. There's way too much red tones in it, and it just takes people to a place that not a soul on earth finds touching or moving or artistic or anything except to bad memories. Sorry.
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06/07/2007 02:01:05 AM |
Man...this is better then TV! - I mean the comments to this photo. Hey, I got the same comment below to my 'Religious' photo - and so did about 50 other people - I stopped going thru his 'comments made' at about page 5. I feel slightly jaded that it was not an original comment made directly to me and to me alone! My gosh, I hope we never have a 'Weather' challenge!
Originally posted by Man_Called_Horse:
sorry, but as a photographer your job is to convince me.
photographically, this is a nice picture. However, I am not convinced that this is religious. |
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06/07/2007 12:56:58 AM |
Originally posted by Zeuss:
Originally posted by whiterook:
I don't know of Porcelainism |
Keep looking Whiterook, you'll find it. |
This is close, but not quite Porcelainism: Goatonapolists:
//www.goatonapole.com/
Besides the singular truth of the Goat's relation to the Pole, the only thing you need to know is that the relation between Goat and Pole is the only thing you need to know.
Think about it.
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06/06/2007 10:16:22 PM |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Sooooo it's ok for you to make an expression, but some of us aren't allowed to criticize that expression. *cough* *cough* *hypocritical* *cough* |
No, it's OK for all of us to make an expression. That doesn't mean I (or you) are forcing the other to change. But if you're offended maybe you should have just stuck with "Just lovely". You aren't one of those guys who thinks a good Christian is one who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor, now are you?
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06/06/2007 10:06:33 PM |
Originally posted by whiterook:
I don't know of Porcelainism |
Keep looking Whiterook, you'll find it.
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06/06/2007 08:53:26 PM |
Originally posted by Zeuss:
I'm heading out to Burning Man this year. That's supposed to be close to the ultimate in freedom of expression. alanfreed, samanwar, smardaz, you guys need to go there. |
Sooooo it's ok for you to make an expression, but some of us aren't allowed to criticize that expression. *cough* *cough* *hypocritical* *cough*
Originally posted by BHuseman:
My profile picture? So what? Are you offended by a picture of a bird? |
No, I'm offended by your attitude, and the attitude that is conveyed by your profile picture. A profile picture is used to "represent" a user, and if that's how you represent yourself, well... 'nuff said. |
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06/06/2007 08:27:11 PM |
Religion can be described as a "way of life". So he practices, values, institutions, tradition, rituals, and scriptures are often traditionally daily everyday practices to The Oh Porcelain God! There are so many religions like hinduism, budahism, Molsen, and etc. I don't know of Porcelainism
Originally posted by CoinCounter:
Originally posted by inshaala:
Sorry but i think you missed what religion ACTUALLY means - religion is not just about believing in a particular god - look up the dictionary definition and you will see something which might open your eyes - religion is not christianity, christianity is a religion...
...Personally i think people were, in this challenge, too caught up in their own religious righteousness to realise that when looking at the THEME and some pictures (including my own) they forgot that we are here for artistic interpretation on a theme - not a subjective application of religious values and preconceptions on a photo. |
That is exactly what I was trying to get across, unfortunately, without success.
I must agree with this, I found some of the entries to be quite 'aggressively selling' a particular belief, so much so that I found some very slightly overbearing(and I would like to think of myself as open-minded and liberal), although none were offensive in any way. |
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06/06/2007 08:09:25 PM |
Originally posted by inshaala:
Sorry but i think you missed what religion ACTUALLY means - religion is not just about believing in a particular god - look up the dictionary definition and you will see something which might open your eyes - religion is not christianity, christianity is a religion...
...Personally i think people were, in this challenge, too caught up in their own religious righteousness to realise that when looking at the THEME and some pictures (including my own) they forgot that we are here for artistic interpretation on a theme - not a subjective application of religious values and preconceptions on a photo. |
That is exactly what I was trying to get across, unfortunately, without success.
I found some of the entries to be quite 'aggressively selling' a particular belief, so much so that I found some very slightly overbearing(and I would like to think of myself as open-minded and liberal), although none were offensive in any way.
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06/06/2007 06:36:56 PM |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
My profile picture? So what? Are you offended by a picture of a bird? If that is the case then you might want to get rid of the internet and tv and move to a commune........ |
I'm heading out to Burning Man this year. That's supposed to be close to the ultimate in freedom of expression. alanfreed, samanwar, smardaz, you guys need to go there. You'll learn that if you don't like something you see, look the other way. Your way is OK for you, and some other way is OK for others.
I had a thought that a torture chamber, or a witch burning would have been a better photo in this catagory, because it would have been a more truthful depiction of religion. You can't deny that this and the Spanish Inquisition wasn't done in the name of Christianity. Yes, I can go on... |
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06/06/2007 06:31:48 PM |
Sorry but i think you missed what religion ACTUALLY means - religion is not just about believing in a particular god - look up the dictionary definition and you will see something which might open your eyes - religion is not christianity, christianity is a religion. Take your own personal religion - christianity or whatever completely out of the equation and try to be objective about this photo. Religious practices worldwide have a rather strange coincidence about them - most religions state that when praying you should in some way prostrate yourself infront of your god as a sign of deference and reverence or whatnot... am i wrong?
Now when artistic interpretation of a theme comes into play (that is why we are competing in these challenges - and please correct me if i am wrong) and when the english language provides a colloquial expression using religious terminology - surely the "religious" pose of praying and the expression meet in a well conceived interpretation of the theme.
Personally i think people were, in this challenge, too caught up in their own religious righteousness to realise that when looking at the THEME and some pictures (including my own) they forgot that we are here for artistic interpretation on a theme - not a subjective application of religious values and preconceptions on a photo.
I didnt vote on this image but i surely would not have given it any less than a 4 - which is what the majority of voters seemed to think it was worth.
Originally posted by whiterook:
I agree with you but at the same time. This image doesn't fit in the challenge. God is good getting stoned drunked drunk is evil. I know God forgive your sins but I don't believe you can find God in the toilet!
Originally posted by CoinCounter:
I liked the idea, the photo wasn't particularly well captured, but I thought it was a mildly amusing, unconventional idea. And certainly didn't deserve all those 1's.
Quite frankly, I think some people need to lighten up.
The world is full of different people with different ideologies and in this sort of artistic arena, unless you come here with an open mind and an acceptance of that, you will always find yourself offended, especially when it comes to topics such as religion. |
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06/06/2007 05:44:39 PM |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Here is another case in point where the voters of DPC just plain suck. |
I see. So you would have no expectation that a shot that mocks religion to this extent may just offend some people? Ok...
Originally posted by BHuseman:
I think the voters of DPC need to stick their righteous attitudes up their proverbial arse!!! |
Very nice. I guess this shouldn't be surprising coming from someone who has a profile picture of someone flipping the bird. Sorry, pal, but your type of screw-you attitude is what's wrong with society today, not religious people. |
Mock religion? that is why this was scored so bad? Lets look at what used to be the 17th place finish until they found out it was a stolen image. a picture of a sexy woman dressed in a plastic nun outfit. Isn't that a mockery of religion? but it deserved 17th place? Where is the justification in that?
And if you want to mock religion look at religion itself. Catholic priests molesting alter boys. Muslims blowing themseleves and others up in the name of Allah. Christians killing millions of Jews for, uh, oh yeah, no reason. Religion does a good enough job of mocking themsleves to the unreligious people that this picture's take on religion should not be offensive to anyone. Clean up your own house before you start looking at someone else's. Or if you would prefer don't thropw stones in a glass house, or let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
Shall I go on?
My profile picture? So what? Are you offended by a picture of a bird? If that is the case then you might want to get rid of the internet and tv and move to a commune. My screw-you attitude? It isn't a screw you attitude, it is a picture of a guy racing a motorcycle who tosses the bird as he flies around the corner at 70 mph. As a motorcyclist myself I am impressed by his abilities and used it for my picture. But I had to crop it for the profile image. I make no apologies about that.
I hear your priest calling you. You better turn off your computer and tend to his wishes.
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06/06/2007 04:20:43 PM |
| Score well deserved. Congratulations. Good luck next time. |
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06/06/2007 02:58:28 PM |
I agree with you but at the same time. This image doesn't fit in the challenge. God is good getting stoned drunked drunk is evil. I know God forgive your sins but I don't believe you can find God in the toilet!
Originally posted by CoinCounter:
I liked the idea, the photo wasn't particularly well captured, but I thought it was a mildly amusing, unconventional idea. And certainly didn't deserve all those 1's.
Quite frankly, I think some people need to lighten up.
The world is full of different people with different ideologies and in this sort of artistic arena, unless you come here with an open mind and an acceptance of that, you will always find yourself offended, especially when it comes to topics such as religion. |
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06/06/2007 02:39:25 PM |
I liked the idea, the photo wasn't particularly well captured, but I thought it was a mildly amusing, unconventional idea. And certainly didn't deserve all those 1's.
Quite frankly, I think some people need to lighten up.
The world is full of different people with different ideologies and in this sort of artistic arena, unless you come here with an open mind and an acceptance of that, you will always find yourself offended, especially when it comes to topics such as religion. |
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06/06/2007 10:20:08 AM |
oh my....I think someone needs a hug!
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06/06/2007 09:07:21 AM |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Here is another case in point where the voters of DPC just plain suck. |
I see. So you would have no expectation that a shot that mocks religion to this extent may just offend some people? Ok... |
Lets keep this in it's proper perspective. Placing YOUR GOD on MY MONEY is offensive. Teaching YOUR GOD to MY CHILD in public school is offensive. Pledging allegiance to MY NATION UNDER YOUR GOD is offensive. That attitude deserves to be mocked, AND shot down in court.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
Originally posted by BHuseman:
I think the voters of DPC need to stick their righteous attitudes up their proverbial arse!!! |
Very nice. I guess this shouldn't be surprising coming from someone who has a profile picture of someone flipping the bird. Sorry, pal, but your type of screw-you attitude is what's wrong with society today, not religious people. |
If this is your first exposure to the First Amendment, welcome to America! |
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06/06/2007 08:44:59 AM |
Originally posted by BHuseman:
Here is another case in point where the voters of DPC just plain suck. |
I see. So you would have no expectation that a shot that mocks religion to this extent may just offend some people? Ok...
Originally posted by BHuseman:
I think the voters of DPC need to stick their righteous attitudes up their proverbial arse!!! |
Very nice. I guess this shouldn't be surprising coming from someone who has a profile picture of someone flipping the bird. Sorry, pal, but your type of screw-you attitude is what's wrong with society today, not religious people.
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06/06/2007 06:48:03 AM |
| Horrendously good work. It's a loose interpretation for the challenge, but outside the challenge it has a different use. |
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06/06/2007 01:46:43 AM |
| Thank you all. I've enjoyed this shot more than any others I've done. I knew it wouldn't score well, but the message is powerful. As BHuseman has so eloquently stated, the subject need not be pleasant to be a good photograph. As far as religion goes, we make our own heaven, or we make our own hell. And we collect our rewards accordingly. As for me, I believe I'll have another beer. |
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06/06/2007 12:55:37 AM |
Here is another case in point where the voters of DPC just plain suck. There is no way this deserves to get the brown. I personally think it is the most creative image in the lot. You deserve credit for that. It is also well executed. This picture does not copy everyone else who took photos of someone acting like they were praying with a cross in their hands. Or some religious place where people worship. If youbelieve that being in this position is any less religious then being in a church and preying to god then you are dillusional!
Many people in this world have serious problems that lead them to this kind of situation. With that many of them ask for god. Why is that any different then fakes and phonies that go to church every Sunday thinking it will get them into heaven?
I commend you for this picture and wish it had scored better. I think the voters of DPC need to stick their righteous attitudes up their proverbial arse!!!
I can't believe someone said if they could give a negative score they would. Why do you feel that you are so superior to do such a thing. I bet you are one of the trolls that consistently votes low just because you are clueless! Yup, your average vote cast is a 5.1XXX. You are a fool!
This one is good too: nice....real nice....hope you didnt put too much effort into this disgusting shot /1
Just because a photo is disgusting it deserves a 1? I am sorry but not all photographs are of appealing subjects. Maybe you can share your rose colored glasses with everyone so they only photograph pleasant things in life.
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06/05/2007 07:20:58 PM |
| why do I think this shot will be criticized a lot? still a funny take on the topic :-) (even though slighty vulgar) |
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06/05/2007 05:23:40 PM |
If I could give you a negative score I would...
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06/05/2007 11:10:12 AM |
| While somewhat humorous, I feel that this is in poor taste for this challenge. |
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06/04/2007 05:56:30 PM |
| humorous? yes. disgusting? absolutely. but, a great photo it is not. the subject is too dark, the color is a bit off. composition is ok, but could have used a slightly tighter crop on right side. just my $.02 |
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06/04/2007 09:41:42 AM |
| haha, I see how the comments would be funny Carl. A well-portrayed metaphor. |
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06/03/2007 12:16:00 PM |
| ewww. I'm sorry this is gross, if I could look at it longer I'm sure I would see all the hard work you put into it. |
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06/03/2007 11:49:27 AM |
| nice....real nice....hope you didnt put too much effort into this disgusting shot /1 |
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06/03/2007 11:43:58 AM |
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06/03/2007 06:12:18 AM |
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06/02/2007 11:41:37 PM |
| LOL... - but that's just sick! |
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06/01/2007 10:32:57 PM |
rank man, truly rank... im in the mood for rank.
P.S. this better have been staged :P |
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06/01/2007 10:45:31 AM |
sorry, but as a photographer your job is to convince me.
photographically, this is a nice picture. However, I am not convinced that this is religious. |
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06/01/2007 01:08:25 AM |
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05/31/2007 10:06:44 PM |
| If I were voting in this challenge, I'd give you a 10 - purely for the laugh I needed! Amen - };>) |
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05/31/2007 01:20:37 PM |
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05/31/2007 01:12:28 PM |
| some points extra for humor :-) |
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05/31/2007 12:35:25 PM |
| Very interesting look on religion! I like it!! |
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05/31/2007 01:21:08 AM |
| Oh. That's disgusting. Nice setup. |
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05/31/2007 12:04:02 AM |
| man have I prayed to that god before! This is really fowl..lol |
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05/30/2007 08:20:49 PM |
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05/30/2007 03:45:37 PM |
| Really gross, but also very good example of a result of alcohol abuse, or making alcohol your god. Very nicely set up, showing a pathetic foreground and a pleasant background. |
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05/30/2007 03:41:44 PM |
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05/30/2007 02:25:53 PM |
| Im sorry but this is just disgusting. |
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05/30/2007 11:52:28 AM |
| Okay...this is gross! I appreciate the 'take' on the challenge....creative....but just disturbing! *sorry* But I give you a 5 for the effort! |
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05/30/2007 11:27:43 AM |
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05/30/2007 10:42:59 AM |
fer cryin in the night, this is foul!
I give you a 9 for the yuck factor alone. |
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05/30/2007 06:46:50 AM |
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05/30/2007 02:30:27 AM |
| this is scarey .. i hope you're feeling a lot better now??!! ... looks like you're looking in all the wrong places for your spiritual succour!! ..:) .. its not a 'pleasant' image but you get across a very powerful message .. well, for me anyway .. =8 |
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05/30/2007 12:14:57 AM |
| oh thats f'n nasty:) i have a feeling you are gonna be pounded so i will try to offset it some. |
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05/30/2007 12:07:31 AM |
| OMG! Thats repugnant! -7- |
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