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Challenge: Hidden Gem IV (Advanced Editing VII*)
Collection: Portfolio
Camera: Canon EOS-5D Mark III
Lens: Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS
Date: Mar 12, 2014
Aperture: f/5.6
ISO: 1600
Shutter: 1/200
Date Uploaded: Jun 10, 2014

 A very skittish Amur leopard sneaking out of her den. The black background seemed to lend itself to what I would normally regard as a gimmicky frame.

Statistics
Place: 4 out of 239
Avg (all users): 7.2302
Avg (commenters): 8.5294
Avg (participants): 7.2157
Avg (non-participants): 7.2917
Views since voting: 1660
Views during voting: 274
Votes: 126
Comments: 39
Favorites: 7 (view)

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 10/24/2014 12:59:28 PM
3d wow
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 06/24/2014 07:03:07 PM
Great shot, I like the frame and happy creative shots can still be entered, the only thing that makes me question legality is the shadow added in the frame but legal or not I love the shot.
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 06/21/2014 08:11:29 PM
Lovely leopardess, and the whole *frame* thing is enlightening. Grats on the HM.
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 06/21/2014 07:26:41 PM
Congratulations on the HM, Shannon. Fabulous shot and creative presentation (which I'm pleasantly surprised to find is legal).
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 06/20/2014 09:26:47 PM
You've still got it, man. ;)
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 06/19/2014 12:43:14 PM
What a beauty!
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 06/19/2014 11:53:26 AM
That was DQ'd for a vignette in Basic, not a border (it would have been fine in Advanced). "Creating things that weren't in the original capture" applies to the image area, not the border, since obviously the border itself wasn't in the original capture. I already posted an example of a validated breakout border that ribboned in Advanced. It's legal, end of story.
 06/19/2014 11:27:28 AM
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by MattO:
None of that answers my question regarding the cutout(selection with background removal at the paw) or the drop shadow added below it. None of those are allowed in anything other than expert.

You're wrong on both counts. Borders generally fall outside of the normal editing rules (you can't otherwise make selections in Basic, for example) as long as the frame is distinct and goes around the outside, and no text, clip art or other photographs were added. If "background removal" applied to borders, then EVERY border would be illegal, and breakout borders have been validated multiple times outside of Expert editing, including this one.


I could show you many "borders" that were DQed including this one to show you that Borders do infact fall inside the normal editing rules. That is a faded border that was De'd and there are many others that have been for "creating things that weren't in the original capture"
 06/19/2014 09:38:36 AM
Originally posted by MattO:
None of that answers my question regarding the cutout(selection with background removal at the paw) or the drop shadow added below it. None of those are allowed in anything other than expert.

You're wrong on both counts. Borders generally fall outside of the normal editing rules (you can't otherwise make selections in Basic, for example) as long as the frame is distinct and goes around the outside, and no text, clip art or other photographs were added. If "background removal" applied to borders, then EVERY border would be illegal, and breakout borders have been validated multiple times outside of Expert editing, including this one.

Message edited by author 2014-06-19 10:41:43.
 06/19/2014 12:12:29 AM
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Nobody:
''[You may:] add a border to the outside edge of your entry. Your border must be distinct and clearly recognizable as a border."

This part is relevant to the border. The frame goes around the outside edge, it's obviously a border, no image area was added (the frame doesn't match the background and was within the captured area), and no text, clip art or parts of other photographs were added. That concludes the rules on borders, even in Basic, and we've validated multiple breakout borders. I used one all the way back in 2004 and no one even questioned it.

Originally posted by Nobody:
"YOU MAY NOT use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture(s)."

This part is relevant to the CAPTURE, not the border.


None of that answers my question regarding the cutout(selection with background removal at the paw) or the drop shadow added below it. None of those are allowed in anything other than expert.
 06/18/2014 06:48:16 PM
Originally posted by Nobody:
''[You may:] add a border to the outside edge of your entry. Your border must be distinct and clearly recognizable as a border."

This part is relevant to the border. The frame goes around the outside edge, it's obviously a border, no image area was added (the frame doesn't match the background and was within the captured area), and no text, clip art or parts of other photographs were added. That concludes the rules on borders, even in Basic, and we've validated multiple breakout borders. I used one all the way back in 2004 and no one even questioned it.

Originally posted by Nobody:
"YOU MAY NOT use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture(s)."

This part is relevant to the CAPTURE, not the border.
 06/18/2014 05:38:18 PM
A bit surprised this one is not on the front page, but still congratulations with a great score and HM!
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 06/18/2014 02:16:18 PM
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, the editing was nearly Basic-legal. The leopard was really coming out of her den, so the background was already black and the head and paw were brighter. We've validated breakout frames before.


I am referring to the cutout that needed done as well as the drop shadow on the foot. Unless the Den was white as the border is, I'd say a cutout needed done, which isn't basic or advanced legal. Care to post the unedited as shot original?


This is one of my favorites from recent memory. I was really torn as to whether the border was legal or not though. 'add a border to the outside edge of your entry. Your border must be distinct and clearly recognizable as a border." and
"YOU MAY NOT use ANY editing technique to create new image area, objects or features (such as lens flare or motion) that didn't already exist in your original capture(s)."

This is brilliant work, but it does feel like the border became an integral part of the picture (new object/feature).
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 06/18/2014 12:02:47 PM
Originally posted by scalvert:
Actually, the editing was nearly Basic-legal. The leopard was really coming out of her den, so the background was already black and the head and paw were brighter. We've validated breakout frames before.


I am referring to the cutout that needed done as well as the drop shadow on the foot. Unless the Den was white as the border is, I'd say a cutout needed done, which isn't basic or advanced legal. Care to post the unedited as shot original?
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 06/18/2014 10:13:10 AM
Stunning color and detail and a beautiful cat. Congratulations on the HM.
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 06/18/2014 08:13:54 AM
Soooooo darned close...excellent score although...and such a beautiful capture.
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 06/18/2014 07:01:21 AM
Actually, the editing was nearly Basic-legal. The leopard was really coming out of her den, so the background was already black and the head and paw were brighter. We've validated breakout frames before.
 06/18/2014 01:50:10 AM
I think this is Freakin' fantastic! I would love to know what and how you did this too! My first thought was you dodged the snot outta the front of the den? a very shallow DOF, and the added the frame???? Which makes it look so 3D? Close?? It was my choice for 2nd in this contest. 3rd being my choice for first... but I would've been happy to see this in the blue also.
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 06/18/2014 01:09:20 AM
I'd like to see how this past "advanced editing" validation. Shannon can you discuss this with us?
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 Comments Made During the Challenge
06/17/2014 10:48:51 PM
Light on the cat's eyes is great. Not sure how the frame is going over, but I like it ... very effective with this particular image.
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 06/17/2014 10:41:32 PM
It is rare that a trope like breaking the box works so well; I never like them, but this one is in my top 3, well done.
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 06/17/2014 09:27:31 PM
Love the border. I did the same thing with an entry a while back. It was validated too. I love the whiskers details. Very cool, should do well.
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 06/17/2014 07:04:47 PM
Good to see you lived to submit this photo! Its awesome.
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 06/17/2014 05:35:49 PM
Very well done photography and editing good detail and composition ..Well done
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 06/15/2014 04:04:37 AM
My top pick for this challenge, absolutely marvellous! Fantastic focus and sharpness, beautiful colours and that paw sticking out of the frame, peerless.
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 06/14/2014 11:07:17 PM
Beautiful!
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 06/14/2014 08:43:58 PM
Beautifully shot and I personally like how you've done the cut out frame for it.
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 06/14/2014 07:21:51 PM
FANTASTIC image. Extra points for the border creativity. Simply excellent.
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 06/13/2014 01:17:43 PM
Fabulous shot! luv the editing!
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 06/12/2014 03:13:54 PM
run ! it's coming off the screen !
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 06/12/2014 02:26:48 PM
Funny, I was going to submit for validation as well :)

The detail is striking, as is the look.
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 06/12/2014 01:11:14 PM
what an amazing shot, just perrrfect, 10 all the way
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 06/12/2014 11:43:46 AM
Wow I love the stepping out of the frame effect. I am not so sure it is legal so hope this doesn't back fire on you. The photo is so clear and sharp - you must have been close enough to become his dinner.
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 06/12/2014 02:05:05 AM
I think the word 'stunning' is quite over used, not in this case however. Quite simply brilliant. If I still paid for membership I would cancel it if this does not get the blue. Remarkably sharp and beautiful. The 3-D effect is amazing. This should be for sale and hang on walls. A lot of walls. Well done.
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 06/11/2014 09:33:24 PM
Beautiful image. Great sharp detail.
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 06/11/2014 06:08:09 PM
Stunning. Even without the play on the border.
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 06/11/2014 09:11:22 AM
Love the paw off the frame
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 06/11/2014 08:27:38 AM
That is so good. Perfect focus on those eyes and whiskers. Love the paw crawling out of the frame. :D
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 06/11/2014 07:59:42 AM
Top ribbon winner! Makes him look like hes jumping out of the picture!
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