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Challenge: Garry Winogrand (Advanced Editing VII)
Camera: Apple iPhone 4S
Location: Austin Texas
Date: Feb 14, 2014
Date Uploaded: Feb 15, 2014

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Disqualification Details
You must retain your original, unedited file (exactly as recorded by your camera), and provide it to the Site Council along with a list of your editing steps within 48 hours of any validation request. Files that have been saved or altered with any editing or transfer software are NOT originals. In addition, you may not add graphics, clip art, computer-rendered images or parts of other photographs to your entry or its border during editing.

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02/28/2014 07:03:30 AM
I have not been on DP challenge since my disqualification. I opened it this morning and saw all of these comments and wanted to say thank you to everybody. I have only been taking photographs for about a year and a half, never taken any classes or read any books I am trying very hard to do better photos and all of these comments are very much appreciated and I will move on and try to do a much better job. Thank you very much everybody. I wish I knew all of you and could give everyone a hug!
02/26/2014 06:46:22 PM
I wish I had a DQ with these comments! :) A beautiful photo, feels like taken out of an album - I bet I have a similar one of me and my sister (the haircut!!!) from the 70s!
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02/26/2014 01:42:28 PM
Are you feeling ashamed for a DQ? With all these comments?
You got an insignificant number of low marks (just five people gave you a mark under 5 out of 86!)
Stop carrying about marks, take the "accepted" camera and shoot!
By the way, I gave you an 8 plus a comment which is in my view better than a mark
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02/26/2014 11:35:24 AM
The reason you got DQ'd is quite unfair. I totally see where you were coming from, but hopefully sometime in the future, they will revise the rules so that all the bases are covered.

This was a lovely picture.
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02/26/2014 04:42:21 AM
I did stop and have a look at this, and thought what an awkward looking haircut for a child of this era, kind of reminded me of how my hair was as a child.

I gave this a 6 but when I look back it should of been more! Sorry about the DQ, that rule must change.
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02/26/2014 03:09:47 AM
I was asked by a good friend at DPC to explain why I'd nominated this as the "best photograph in the challenge" but had made no comment beyond that (see below). He said I usually have a lot to say in my comments about why I like the photos that I like. So I hope you don't mind if I say a bit more now.

I love the picture because it's the most interesting photograph in the challenge. It communicates so perfectly everything that is joyful and durable about photographs. It's exactly what a photograph should be: an object in its own right, and not just a representation of something else. That's a very important distinction to me … that a photograph is an object separate from the thing it depicts (i.e. the nominal subject).

When I look at this photograph, I do still see the children of course, but much more indelible is the impression that I am primarily viewing not the children but the photograph itself as a thing, a cultural marker … and not looking at the photography. Most people at DPC are, understandably enough, looking only at the photography of the subject. The actual photograph is for them an ephemeral thing, a passing vehicle useful as a demonstration of their accomplishment: something to be copied if they like it, and copied again, and then discarded when they're done using it and ready to start copying something else. Nothing necessarily wrong with that: they're nearly all people interested first in photography, and many of them are oblivious or unreceptive to a meaning of photographs outside of that personal context.

The photograph-as-object is a very important part of our modern society and history. It is an indicator of how we see ourselves culturally, and of what is important to us about that realisation of ourselves. The distinction (photograph versus photography) is really only accessible and comprehensible to those who are prepared to study and reflect on images from the whole history of photography; it's a view that can only be seen from that kind of distance. But the philosopher and essayist Susan Sontag wrote extensively on the theme in her book of essays On Photography which, despite some flaws (one of which is the title; it should have been titled On Photographs), is a brilliant analysis of the social and cultural significance of photographs. That book, plus any big fat book of photographs from say 1850 to 2010, is all you need to really understand photographs as cultural icons. Once done with that, move on to your parents' old album, and your grandparents' album. Then jump forward again to Instagram. Photographs are culture, and culture is photographs.

I wasn't bothered by the border, because I simply subtracted it in my mind. It had no impact on my view of the photograph because for me it wasn't really there. I recognised it though, from the iPhone tintype Hipstamatic set. I agree with you about the lack of clarity of the rules in this case. The Hipstamatic app does post-processing of the original file, but inside the camera. If it saved an original file as well, then your photograph as submitted would be perfectly legal. So it's a pity that you're disqualified for submitting something that is entirely legitimate in terms of the processing done, but is compromised only by lack of an original unedited file. Don't worry about it though; certainly everyone understands this dilemma and no-one thinks you cheated! It's a very good picture and I am going to post it on the posthumous awards thread so that it gets a bit more attention. It deserves it.

P.S. I enjoy Hipstamatic myself, especially tintype, but I usually cut the various borders off, like this:

I think the pictures are always better for the snip.

Message edited by author 2014-02-26 07:55:32.
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02/25/2014 05:39:53 PM
I think that they should show in the rules that a Hipstamatic camera on the iPhone is not allowed. I simply took this photo using my iPhone Hipstamatic camera and I did not add anything to the original photo I only edited it changing the exposure, saturation, lightness and darkness. I did not add anything to the photo nor did I change the original photo. I submitted my original photo along with my editing steps the same day they requested it. Anyway I just wanted to get that off my chest because I feel ashamed now that my entry has been disqualified and it makes me appear as though I cheated, and I know I did not because I did not read in the rules where Hipstamatic is not allowed. I have never used a Hipstamatic camera on the iPhone and I was not aware that it had internal processing. I apologize to all who voted on my picture and I certainly did not do this on purpose.
02/25/2014 01:25:30 PM
GAVE THE JUILLIARD a 9
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02/24/2014 06:45:09 AM
I would love comments from the people who gave me 2s and 4s. Maybe people vote differently, but the only time I ever give a 2 is if the photo is terrible. I think anything below 4 means it's a bad photo.

The competition was to take a photo inspired by Winogrand's style of photography, not to take a photo exactly like his style. I'd never heard of him and Googled his work. I saw photos of people, mostly on the streets, and almost every photo was in black and white.

I was inspired by the people living their every day life and I loved the black and white. I know he didn't use borders, but I didn't attempt to be exactly like him, just inspired

I saw two children playing one afternoon while I was walking. I didn't have my camera, thus, used my iPhone. The border was automatically on the photo, I didn't add it. I liked the look of the children, thus I entered it. I questioned the border, yet felt it added some age and a bit of style.

I don't mind people complaining about the borders, that's OK, we are all different. I just wish those who give terrible scores of 4 and below would comment. I felt this was a lovely photo with someone's beautiful children and I didn't want to copy someone, I made it my own.

I appreciate comments, they help me learn.
 Comments Made During the Challenge
02/23/2014 09:08:52 PM
Joyful confrontation.

Hanging this in my fantasy gallery.

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02/23/2014 05:12:34 PM
The girls expression is priceless and authenticates you as a Winogrand aficionado
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02/23/2014 11:18:55 AM
I wish to nitpick, though it won't cost you in the scoring department. The border is totally unnecessary. And if Garry shot medium format (i.e. square frames) I'd love to see that work. It's a cute candid shot, one I would have taken myself, but if it started with Garry it ended up leaving him far behind.

ETA: I've thought about this one some more. Really, my main nitpick is the border. I dislike them in general, but in this case I feel it turns the moment into a memento. There's nothing wrong with that; I'd love to see a series of these, all presented as such. For this challenge, though, I just felt it was a bit out of character.

The border also calls attention to the square frame, which I otherwise might not have commented on. Do we really care if Garry shot square frames? Well, I do, but it's an academic interest; one can channel Garry's inspiration through any shape frame they like. This is good -- quirky and humorous and nostalgic even (the latter I attribute to the girl's jumper and haircut which feel very 70's).

An eight for listening to me ramble.
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02/22/2014 11:55:05 PM
I don't think Winogrand's processing included borders like this but I'm not an expert so could be wrong. This is a well-felt and playful capture that is appealing in its own right - no need to imitate someone else. But what's with the border?
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02/22/2014 07:12:52 PM
One of my top 3....9..... good luck.
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02/22/2014 02:04:43 PM
A catching picture for sure - there is something that keeps you looking at it and looking even more.
The top right corner of the background competes too much for attention. A little blur might have been very salutary or less contrast.
But I truly like the shot and the proportion of an old film and , surprise surprise! I like a lot the border

bump of course
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02/22/2014 06:55:20 AM
This is the best photograph in the challenge. 10. Thank you.
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