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03/02/2010 02:11:39 AM · #1 |
| I have been thinking lately it would be cool to have a posting of the top three scores of all the challenges currently in voting at any given time. Then you could look at your score and know if you had a chance to get in there, or sit and quietly admire your score if it was one of the three. |
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03/02/2010 02:21:52 AM · #2 |
... or realise it was time to list your camera on ebay:)
Message edited by author 2010-03-02 02:22:03. |
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03/02/2010 07:42:16 AM · #3 |
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03/02/2010 07:50:36 AM · #4 |
| I like not knowing, it gives me a sense of hope :) |
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03/02/2010 07:59:07 AM · #5 |
....or for the trolls to know whether to go on a low voting rampage if they haven't already...or to drop their votes even further!!!!! :P
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03/02/2010 08:32:40 AM · #6 |
I think that it would interfere with voting, unless you could only see how your own image was standing during the challenge. I feel that a "top 3"board would skew the vote. Even with seeing your own standing, people would surely be posting it in the scores thread.
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03/02/2010 08:54:50 AM · #7 |
| Bad idea! Too easy to start voting ones. Kills anonymiy of the challenge and voting procedures. |
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03/02/2010 08:58:08 AM · #8 |
Or just show the top scores with no names attached.
Message edited by author 2010-03-02 08:58:26. |
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03/02/2010 10:27:25 AM · #9 |
Strange, I would like the opposite, that no scores where displayed even for us, until the voting ends...
There absolutely nothing one can do to improve the photo after the voting phase has started. So, the logical way is to down vote all (for the trolls out there).
Seeing the scores before the voting ends kind of reminds me of the polls before the elections. Even if my mind is made up, it cannot help to be just even if a bit swayed because of such polls.
Anyway, my 2c of course, and since we have the scores I'm grateful for the update button :-P
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03/02/2010 11:02:00 AM · #10 |
ooooooooooooooooooooooooook so much for that idea
i should mention tho that my thought was not to have names attached to the scores, it would still be anonymous
Message edited by author 2010-03-02 11:04:19. |
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03/02/2010 11:16:00 AM · #11 |
| Anonymity aside, creating such a leaderboard would require calculating challenge scores continuously and allowing for the rollover script to remove biased and incomplete votes. I suspect it would slow the site dramatically. |
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03/02/2010 01:03:29 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Anonymity aside, creating such a leaderboard would require calculating challenge scores continuously and allowing for the rollover script to remove biased and incomplete votes. I suspect it would slow the site dramatically. |
Midstream, how would the process know a particular vote is biased or incomplete? Unless of course the midstream process only removes those votes from the calculation but not physically from the database then it wouldn't need to know. |
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03/02/2010 05:45:02 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Anonymity aside, creating such a leaderboard would require calculating challenge scores continuously and allowing for the rollover script to remove biased and incomplete votes. I suspect it would slow the site dramatically. |
well this idea was shot down pretty resoundingly but as long as we're taling about it, how hard could that be? The site already gives us our own score, I am no coder but it does not seem like it would take much to grab the top 3 scores and post them anonymously |
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03/02/2010 05:52:47 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Anonymity aside, creating such a leaderboard would require calculating challenge scores continuously and allowing for the rollover script to remove biased and incomplete votes. I suspect it would slow the site dramatically. |
well this idea was shot down pretty resoundingly but as long as we're taling about it, how hard could that be? The site already gives us our own score, I am no coder but it does not seem like it would take much to grab the top 3 scores and post them anonymously |
Hi Jason!
The scores get a final calculation at rollover. Some votes are eliminated, because people did not meet the 20% required for their votes to count. So it is a very intense processing.
I'm not sure how it would be to do that on a technical point of view, but giving your scores is easier than taking the scores of everybody and then sorted them out.
Also, I believe it would be available since the start of the challenge? Imagine that everybody got their first vote, and all of 5. How many of them would you put on the front page? All? Just the first ones by username?
If think it's not that direct (again, on a computing POV).
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03/02/2010 06:30:03 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by sarampo:
how hard could that be? |
As  Sarampo suggested, your current score is just an average of votes received on a single entry (simple). Placements are determined by averaging the votes on hundreds of entries, discarding abusive patterns and invalid votes, then ranking the results (much more complicated). To do that while votes are still being cast would be impractical and slow down the site. |
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03/02/2010 06:32:29 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sarampo:
how hard could that be? |
As Sarampo suggested, your current score is just an average of votes received on a single entry (simple). Placements are determined by averaging the votes on hundreds of entries, discarding abusive patterns and invalid votes, then ranking the results (much more complicated). To do that while votes are still being cast would be impractical and slow down the site. |
Yes, I also forgot the thingy for the abusive and repeated votes, thanks Shannon!
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03/02/2010 06:40:41 PM · #17 |
| i guess i am still not getting it, your score that you see via the update button is not accurate until the rollover, i am just talking about grabbing the top 3 (perhaps after a day of voting so things stretch out a little)its not neccessary to scrub the top 3 scores just for display purposes especially when no names are attached |
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03/02/2010 06:41:23 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by sarampo:
how hard could that be? |
As Sarampo suggested, your current score is just an average of votes received on a single entry (simple). Placements are determined by averaging the votes on hundreds of entries, discarding abusive patterns and invalid votes, then ranking the results (much more complicated). To do that while votes are still being cast would be impractical and slow down the site. |
A counterpoint:
- We already calculate a user's average every time they log in or click the update button. Calculating scores for the top few photos every now and then would certainly not be that onerous
- Posting just the leaders' names would not in any way identify the leading *images* or compromise anonymity
- No need to consider/eliminate invalid votes or votes that will be scrubbed. A leader board doesn't need to be accurate to four decimal places. Scrubbed votes comprise far less than 1% of votes cast anyway.
- A leader board would be another good way to engage users during competition - not that the update button isn't addictive enough!
In summary, I see some positive things about the idea, and I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand.
Message edited by author 2010-03-02 18:42:05. |
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03/02/2010 07:19:37 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
A leader board doesn't need to be accurate to four decimal places. |
We could post some of the regular ribbon winners' names and just shuffle them on occasion. ;-) |
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03/02/2010 11:39:10 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
In summary, I see some positive things about the idea, and I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. |
Whew! Thanks Fritz...Was startin to feel the mob breathin down my neck! ;) |
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