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03/25/2009 12:54:45 AM · #1 |
A voter commented on not seeing how this met the challenge in "illuminative subject". Can someone explain?
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03/25/2009 12:57:01 AM · #2 |
They had thier own opinion.
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03/25/2009 12:57:38 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by dmadden:
A voter commented on not seeing how this met the challenge in "illuminative subject". Can someone explain? |
I guess you could say the voter read the Challenge description..it says you shouldn't use the Sun as a light source |
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03/25/2009 12:58:29 AM · #4 |
I believe it meets the challenge. The commenter may have been mistaken in believing it was the sun in the shot (which the rules specifically said not to use), however the moon is not the sun and is an illuminative subject imo.
ETA: Actually to be a pick about the subject, illuminative means that the object casts its own light, since the moon reflects light then technically it doesn't meet the challenge.
Message edited by author 2009-03-25 01:01:19. |
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03/25/2009 01:02:27 AM · #5 |
| Looks like the moon to me, you wouldn't see the city lights if it was the sun. |
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03/25/2009 01:02:33 AM · #6 |
In the forums during the week of the challenge, there was some discussion regarding the use of the Moon to Light photos, as the moon is not a light source, but a reflector of light. The sun was not meant to be used as the light. They also may have felt that the main theme were those watching the moon, rather than the moon inself.
Everyone has thier own opinions |
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03/25/2009 01:08:09 AM · #7 |
| I agree - I didn't feel it met the challenge as the rules stated; however, you did better than you were hoping when you entered "Hope I can at least make it to the fives" so yippee for you!!! Congrats!! |
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03/25/2009 01:21:57 AM · #8 |
A beautiful photo, but SO does not meet the challenge.
Challenge description was "Create a photo in which your main light source is also your main subject. The challenge here is that your main subject should not be the sun."
Okay... I don't buy into this whole reflected light argument... load of bollocks I reckon. The moon is fine as a light source, IMO. However, IMO, the main light source is NOT also THE MAIN subject. IMO, the "audience" on their deck chairs are the main subject.
But in the end, it all comes down to the opinions of the voters. Don't stress about it, move on... you took a beautiful photo, it did well in the challenge, DESPITE some people thinking it DNMC.
Oh... and remember "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks."
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03/25/2009 01:23:51 AM · #9 |
| I was'nt so concerned about the score. I really want to understand if i misunderstood. "your main subject should not be the sun" no matter how many times i read it, i cant see how light rays bouncing off the moon equate to a violation. BTW are the northern lights from the blue ribboners image from the sun? |
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03/25/2009 01:26:16 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by vlado:
A beautiful photo, but SO does not meet the challenge.
Challenge description was "Create a photo in which your main light source is also your main subject. The challenge here is that your main subject should not be the sun."
Okay... I don't buy into this whole reflected light argument... load of bollocks I reckon. The moon is fine as a light source, IMO. However, IMO, the main light source is NOT also THE MAIN subject. IMO, the "audience" on their deck chairs are the main subject.
But in the end, it all comes down to the opinions of the voters. Don't stress about it, move on... you took a beautiful photo, it did well in the challenge, DESPITE some people thinking it DNMC.
Oh... and remember "Opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks." |
Well! this is a more understable comment. A conflict as to which is the real subject i can understand :)
Message edited by author 2009-03-25 01:27:00. |
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03/25/2009 06:54:26 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by vlado:
A beautiful photo, but SO does not meet the challenge.
Challenge description was "Create a photo in which your main light source is also your main subject. The challenge here is that your main subject should not be the sun."
However, IMO, the main light source is NOT also THE MAIN subject. IMO, the "audience" on their deck chairs are the main subject.
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Have to agree with you here!! |
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03/25/2009 07:16:06 AM · #12 |
There was a HUGE difference between how the participants and non-participants voted. I suspect the participants used a very strict interpretation of the rules and gave you a lot of DNMC-related low votes.
Place: 16 out of 178
Avg (all users): 6.0095
Avg (commenters): 6.9000
Avg (participants): 5.1311
Avg (non-participants): 6.3667
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03/25/2009 07:25:24 AM · #13 |
| I just want to say that I think people are reading into images WAY to far. |
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03/25/2009 07:26:33 AM · #14 |
I was the one who made the comment.
Now it is indeed a beautiful shot and that's for sure
However the moon is simply reflecting the sun and is not an illuminative object and that is why I made the comment.
I only make comments to try and be helpful and certainly didn't mean any offence. |
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03/25/2009 07:37:06 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by togtog:
I believe it meets the challenge. The commenter may have been mistaken in believing it was the sun in the shot (which the rules specifically said not to use), however the moon is not the sun and is an illuminative subject imo.
ETA: Actually to be a pick about the subject, illuminative means that the object casts its own light, since the moon reflects light then technically it doesn't meet the challenge. |
No offense, but that makes no sense. Every image on dpchallenge is reflected light - it's how we see and capture images.
For the record, I'm new here and maybe I don't quite understand all the ins and outs, but it seems to me that the rules for these challenges are both detailed and ambiguous at the same time. I read the rules for the challenge, submitted an image, re-read the rules twice and decided that the image didn't exactly fit the criteria. When I voted, I saw images similar that didn't meet the criteria, but the results scored them high anyway.
I guess I need to lurk a little more before I submit again just to get a sense of what is and isn't acceptable when bending the rules for the challenges. :>)
Message edited by author 2009-03-25 07:43:23. |
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03/25/2009 08:48:15 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Teafran:
Originally posted by togtog:
I believe it meets the challenge. The commenter may have been mistaken in believing it was the sun in the shot (which the rules specifically said not to use), however the moon is not the sun and is an illuminative subject imo.
ETA: Actually to be a pick about the subject, illuminative means that the object casts its own light, since the moon reflects light then technically it doesn't meet the challenge. |
No offense, but that makes no sense. Every image on dpchallenge is reflected light - it's how we see and capture images.
For the record, I'm new here and maybe I don't quite understand all the ins and outs, but it seems to me that the rules for these challenges are both detailed and ambiguous at the same time. I read the rules for the challenge, submitted an image, re-read the rules twice and decided that the image didn't exactly fit the criteria. When I voted, I saw images similar that didn't meet the criteria, but the results scored them high anyway.
I guess I need to lurk a little more before I submit again just to get a sense of what is and isn't acceptable when bending the rules for the challenges. :>) |
From the challenge description "Create a photo in which your main light source is also your main subject. The challenge here is that your main subject should not be the sun."
If you look up illuminative (Illuminative Subject) on google it says something which causes illumination, emits light. Fire, light bulbs, lasers, the sun, hot metal, blown/melted glass, etc. Since the sun is specifically denied for this challenge then we are left with a host of other illuminative subjects. However the moon reflects light, it does not emit light. However the moon does provide illumination, however its source of light is the sun. There is a fine line there which I won't attempt to draw but consider a mirror reflecting the sun, would that not violate the challenge since it would still be the sun's illumination.
Perhaps the challenge would have been better titled, "Bright Subject" or "Light Emitting Subject" :) |
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03/25/2009 09:15:00 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by togtog:
Perhaps the challenge would have been better titled, "Bright Subject" or "Light Emitting Subject" :) |
The ultimate stage of being convinced that your interpretation of a challenge is the only valid one is when you begin to think that the challenge should have a better title ;-)
Come on folks, open your mind. In the challenge description it is stated that the main subject should not be the sun. This leaves the door open for a picture of the moon IMO. From the poetic point of view, the moon is an illuminative subject. From the scientific point of view, one could argue that the source in the blue ribbon is also the sun........ |
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03/25/2009 09:17:55 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by MistyMucky:
Originally posted by togtog:
Perhaps the challenge would have been better titled, "Bright Subject" or "Light Emitting Subject" :) |
The ultimate stage of being convinced that your interpretation of a challenge is the only valid one is when you begin to think that the challenge should have a better title ;-) |
My interpretation of the challenge IS the only valid one! I never said it wasn't, I am an expert on these things!
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03/25/2009 09:35:51 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by togtog:
My interpretation of the challenge IS the only valid one! I never said it wasn't, I am an expert on these things! |
I know you are, just teasing. |
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03/25/2009 09:43:34 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by dmadden:
BTW are the northern lights from the blue ribboners image from the sun? |
The Aurora is is produced by collisions of particles from solar wind with Earth's magnetosphere... so it is it's own light source. |
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03/25/2009 09:51:59 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by KarenNfld:
Originally posted by vlado:
A beautiful photo, but SO does not meet the challenge.
Challenge description was "Create a photo in which your main light source is also your main subject. The challenge here is that your main subject should not be the sun."
However, IMO, the main light source is NOT also THE MAIN subject. IMO, the "audience" on their deck chairs are the main subject.
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Have to agree with you here!! |
Me also: lovely shot, but IMO totally doesn't meet the challenge. The moon just is NOT the "main subject" of the photo, is the bottom line. That you scored as well as you did is a measure of how well-done the image is, because it is definitely marginal on meeting the challenge.
R.
Message edited by author 2009-03-25 11:15:57.
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03/25/2009 09:53:25 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Adamsw216:
Originally posted by dmadden:
BTW are the northern lights from the blue ribboners image from the sun? |
The Aurora is is produced by collisions of particles from solar wind with Earth's magnetosphere... so it is it's own light source. |
And moonlight is produced by collisions of particles from solar light with Moon's electrons... so it is it's own light source :) |
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03/25/2009 09:55:17 AM · #23 |
| There were several images where I thought the light source competed with other elements for being the main subject, but I tended to give most of them the benefit of the doubt. My rule of thumb was something like: is the light source so integral to the image that if it were hidden it would completely change the picture? If I could answer yes then I ignored the dnmc part of me (I gave you an 8). |
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03/25/2009 10:19:43 AM · #24 |
No offense to anyone but this whole argument that the moon reflects the sun's rays is rather ridiculous! Once you start using physics, technicalities & dictionaries to override common sense you are missing the point.
Yes, "Moonlight" is technically from the sun, but that is clearly not how human beings experience the world. Anyway, the issue does not lie with the 'sun clause' of the description, the issue is how many people considered the moon to be the main subject vs. the other stuff in the frame.
ETA: I changed my mind, I think the moon could be considered the main subject.
Message edited by author 2009-03-25 10:30:54. |
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03/25/2009 10:22:00 AM · #25 |
| It surely meets the challenge. |
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