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04/09/2008 08:26:12 PM · #1
OK this is an odd one but I want to title this snap "Amongst the Clouds" or "Among the Clouds" - Which one would be correct - Seem to be having a hard time choosing as both would seem correct - Rather embarrassing especially as I am British!
Thanks in advance for any info...
Oh here is the pic..


04/09/2008 08:36:03 PM · #2
From www.englishforums.com -

The word 'among' came from Old English phrase 'on gemang'. This 'gemang 'was a noun form of 'gemongen' (mingle, gather, crowd, assemble). 'On gemange' was used in the full form before 1000, but it was gradually degraded into 'among' during Late Old English period (1000-1300). In those days 'among' was often used in a genitive form 'amongs' and from about 1400 on some South Englanders began to speak this 'amongs' as 'amongst' erratically, probably under the influence of adjectives' superlative declension '-st', though people in Midlanders and Northlanders continued to speak it as 'among'. So it would not be far from the truth to say that 'amongst' is a dialectal word of South England. Actually 'amongst' is rarely used in American English.

'Among' and 'amongst' are used even now in parallel without differentiating their sense and syntactic function. It is interesting to compare this with the development of pairing words 'again' and 'against'. The word 'against' was also coined in South England as an erratic form of the genitive 'agains', but as to the pair of 'again' and 'against', they developed into two words distinctively different in their meaning as well as in their syntactic roles.



So I guess all that means, whichever you like best. :)
04/09/2008 08:36:06 PM · #3
The proper way is "Among the Clouds". Amongst is a vernacular version of among. Hope this helps. Cool pic by the way.

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l1 is correct. We posted 6 seconds apart. Either would work fine. It depends on where you live.

Message edited by author 2008-04-09 20:38:57.
04/09/2008 08:37:02 PM · #4
Both would be grammatically correct. Amongst is just a variation of Among. To my ear, Amongst sounds a bit more poetic, though. :)
04/09/2008 08:38:41 PM · #5
Originally posted by jblaylockrayner:

OK this is an odd one but I want to title this snap "Amongst the Clouds" or "Among the Clouds" - Which one would be correct - Seem to be having a hard time choosing as both would seem correct - Rather embarrassing especially as I am British!
Thanks in advance for any info...
Oh here is the pic..


I just checked my dictionary, printed in the US, and they give among as the first usage but give an "also used" for amongst. I think you have an "either/eyether" situation -- both are correct, but one is American usage and the other British. FWIW, out here on the Left Coast, you hardly ever hear amongst. 8)
04/09/2008 08:45:05 PM · #6
You could make it easier and just say "In The Clouds" ;-)
Just 'twixt you and me, amongst does sound more poetic.
04/09/2008 08:46:41 PM · #7
Thanks for the input guys - I think Amongst does sound a little ore poetic and will prob go with that!
Cheers
Jeff
04/09/2008 08:57:20 PM · #8
As a translator (amongst other preoccupations), let me say this: In American English, among is your only choice, if you want to be taken seriously. :)
In British English, you could use either, although even in BE among is the more commonly used form. If you choose amongst (BE), you'll still invite an archaic sense.
Poetic and archaic forms of a word are certainly not the same thing to those who care about language.

In your context, I'd use among, as it is the most universal word of the two.

Message edited by author 2008-04-09 20:59:29.
04/10/2008 03:43:58 PM · #9
I'm not a native English speaker, but wouldn't amidst be more fitting in the context of the photograph?

Amidst the Clouds ... sounds good to me.

//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/amidst
04/10/2008 04:03:49 PM · #10
As a description of where you were, among would fit prefectly well.

However, to increase dramatic and poetic title, Amongst fits better and has a lilt that conjures up human ability to fly in the clouds...without an aircraft:) It has a dreamy, astral feeling to it. Of earth meeting sky with a person amongst the scenery:))

Message edited by author 2008-04-10 16:05:08.
04/10/2008 04:15:06 PM · #11
I say amongst. Among doesn't sound as 'dreamy'
04/10/2008 04:38:19 PM · #12
"Amongst" if I had to pick. I wouldn't use it in regular speech, but as someone else said, it sounds more poetic and works in this context.

I'd title it "Playing in the Clouds" if it were me. Great shot!
04/10/2008 05:41:59 PM · #13
Originally posted by Limescope:

I'm not a native English speaker, but wouldn't amidst be more fitting in the context of the photograph?

Darn, you beat me to it. :-)
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