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01/07/2008 01:46:26 AM · #1 |
Formally Hywind
Isolate your Subject by Contrast.
I submitted a photo that IMHO believed would have finished in the top 40.
Only had 2 comments in the voting 1. Red Channel
2. Cannot see where it relates to the challenge.
The winner a great photo by  Hotpasta  Shows the dark subject isolated by the light contrast background.
This is the opposite to my entry of a light subject isolated by a darker background.
Is this not the same style to meet the challenge, please help me understand where I went wrong.
And be cruel to be kind please
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 01:48:48.
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01/07/2008 01:51:14 AM · #2 |
Well, my personal opinion would be you messed up when you entered a portrait. DPC is not in love with portraits at all.
Other features, I think the image is a bit gray and although it is nice has nothing that would make it stand out in a challenge.
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01/07/2008 01:51:51 AM · #3 |
Landscape V portriat...landscape usually wins here
edit: you were too fast for me cheeseman
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 01:53:12. |
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01/07/2008 02:00:16 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by keegbow:
Landscape V portriat...landscape usually wins here
edit: you were too fast for me cheeseman |
mk isn't around much to slow me down.
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01/07/2008 02:05:45 AM · #5 |
Brian,
The photo you entered is a pleasant shot. It's one any family would like to have in their album - it captures the moment well.
However, it is not visually exciting, nor is particularly impactful on an emotional level. On a technical level, the woman appears washed out - as fotoman indicates, there is not enough contrast within the woman herself - she just appears greyish.
Good luck with your future shots.
Anders |
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01/07/2008 02:07:11 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Landscape V portriat...landscape usually wins here
edit: you were too fast for me cheeseman |
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mk isn't around much to slow me down. |
Ah...come on - sure that's true to an extent, but it's not like you can't succeed with a good portrait. |
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01/07/2008 02:07:36 AM · #7 |
It IS a nice photo... but since was under Advanced Editing, you could have improved it so much more.
For the complete contrast, the leaves in the background detract from the differences between the lovely lady and the dark background. If you were going for that type of contrast...the leaves should have gone.
You could have brought out the finer points of her face and hair with maybe a little darkening, or some more contrast. It may be my monitor, but it is hard to tell where the forehead ends and her bangs start.
And lastly, maybe if you had used a landscape format instead of a portrait setup it might have looked more 'arty' instead of looking so much like a portrait...which it was I guess.
Good try though. I would probably have scored it a 5.
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01/07/2008 03:21:43 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by samtrundle:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Landscape V portriat...landscape usually wins here
edit: you were too fast for me cheeseman |
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mk isn't around much to slow me down. |
Ah...come on - sure that's true to an extent, but it's not like you can't succeed with a good portrait. |
In certain challenges, yes you can succeed with a portrait. stupid Christmas gifts certainly was one. The theme (since it involves Stupidity) works well for portrait shots. BUT, on average, DPC will not smile upon portraits, unless they really pop or have some universal appeal (ie Slippy getting shot in the eye) :-D.
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 03:22:47.
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01/07/2008 03:55:03 AM · #9 |
The yellow ribbon was a portrait. The background was whited out ad extremis, but otherwise it had no more contrast than Brian's.
All the winners are good, mind.
I think contrast per se took a bit of a back seat in the voting [personal grumble alert] mine finished even lower [/personal grumble alert] :-)
It's a beautiful portrait of a beautiful lady, anyway. You keep that. |
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01/07/2008 04:47:12 AM · #10 |
What has been mentioned to this point is heralded by you all, although the photo was good photo it was not the right subject for this type of challenge, I will have to learn to select better subjects photographicly for the theme of the challenge, thank you.
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01/07/2008 12:35:22 PM · #11 |
Get a portrait of Slippy getting shot in the eye. That will get you a ribbon :-D
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01/07/2008 12:43:01 PM · #12 |
Perhaps DPC doesn't like portraits, but I do! I have no problem giving them high points. That said, I like the tones around the woman's shoulders, but her face and hair appear washed out to me, too, and the leaves behind her head don't emphasize the contrast. It also appears like you applied some selective soft focus, which may mute the contrast.
EDIT: In other words, I don't think you should blame your subject.
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 12:50:19. |
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01/07/2008 12:43:56 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by raish:
The yellow ribbon was a portrait. The background was whited out ad extremis, but otherwise it had no more contrast than Brian's. |
I'm sorry, Peter, but I disagree. The third place has much more contrast. For one thing, the background is truly white, and there are plenty of deep, dark tones in the subject's hair, eyes, etc. There's also variation in skin tone.
In Brian's image, it's all kind of gray. Her skin nearly matches the DPC Web page background gray, there's little difference in her skin and between her skin and hair, and the background is also dark gray instead of black.
In other areas, Brian, DPC appreciates portraits with eyes that suck you in and don't let go. The fact she's not looking at the camera hurts you there.
One last thing to consider is that she occupies nearly the entire image, so the background doesn't help set the subject apart.
But I think the biggest improvement would be to seriously increase the contrast within the image. Try levels, curves, or even just the brightness/contrast sliders.
Message edited by author 2008-01-07 12:48:25.
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01/07/2008 12:46:48 PM · #14 |
I'm with the majority here. The portrait just looks washed out, it's not one thing or the other. It could be improved a lot with careful PP.
R.
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01/07/2008 12:49:19 PM · #15 |
I'm not sure where people get that portraits don't do well. Talk to Larus or Kiwiness or njsabs2323 about that.
DPC loves portraits. But they have to be good. The red channel here blends the hair with the skin tones too much for my taste. |
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01/07/2008 12:52:17 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I'm not sure where people get that portraits don't do well. Talk to Larus or Kiwiness or njsabs2323 about that.
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Not to keep up the argument, but all three of those artists limit their entries to challenges in which portraits are accepted more freely.
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01/07/2008 01:37:05 PM · #17 |
Try submitting the original to the post processing challenge (PPC - can't find the link right now) and see what the people who love post processing do with it - You can request that they keep it DPC legal. I suspect you have a stunning portrait here and that you lost all your points with the bland processing.
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01/07/2008 01:38:49 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by emorgan49:
Try submitting the original to the post processing challenge (PPC - can't find the link right now) and see what the people who love post processing do with it - You can request that they keep it DPC legal. I suspect you have a stunning portrait here and that you lost all your points with the bland processing. |
//www.ppchallenge.com/index.php?action=compete
R.
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01/07/2008 01:40:52 PM · #19 |
ahh - too fast for me -
Here's what the processing gods did with one of mine - a real eye opener for me:
PPC on Daniel Deng
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