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09/15/2007 11:40:37 AM · #1 |
I know there are differing views of opinion around here... I'd like to take a poll. How do you feel about the tilt in the following picture? Do you like it, or is it too extreme?
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09/15/2007 11:42:52 AM · #2 |
Too extreme for my tastes
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09/15/2007 11:42:58 AM · #3 |
I don't mind the tilt, I'm rather fond of them myself and in this case it helped to give you a more dynamic composition.... - but what hits me right off is the tree directly behind your main subject. It distracts. A step to one side or the other would have prevented that.
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09/15/2007 11:44:47 AM · #4 |
| I'm not a fan of tilt, often, but this seems to work. It's enough that it doesn't appear accidental, yet not enough that things look like they should be sliding off the table. Also, the items don't try to force us to see them "right way up" to recognise properly what they are, and there's not too much detail to see while tilted. |
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09/15/2007 11:48:05 AM · #5 |
I am rarely fond of tilts just for the sake of tilting.
Some make me feel downright disoriented, while the more gentle tilts often look like an uncorrected accident.
In this particular case it would be better if the background consisted ONLY of grass and water (minus tree and far buildings). |
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09/15/2007 11:49:45 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by BeeCee:
Also, the items don't try to force us to see them "right way up" to recognise properly what they are..... |
So is THAT I why I so often don't like them? Hmm... there's some food for thought! |
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09/15/2007 11:54:48 AM · #7 |
The tree in the background doesn't bother me at all, but my neck is sore from trying to look at the shot straight on. IMNSHO, tilt seldom adds anything to a shot. More often, it's a distracting gimmick.
Whew! Now that I've got that off my chest, I'll go back to lurk.
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09/15/2007 12:00:08 PM · #8 |
| Thanks everybody... I agree that the backdrop is less than ideal; the tree is hiding two large orange construction signs by the highway. To the right was a hog roaster and to the left was a picnic table of people. Anyway, I am a big fan of tilt; I feel like it adds some visual interest. Unfortunately, the client doesn't like the tilt. I'm trying to understand "the other half's" point of view. :) |
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09/15/2007 12:04:58 PM · #9 |
More often than not, I tilt because it's the best way to get the WHOLE SUBJECT into the frame without "wasting space".
Look again at your image. Had it been straight up and down, there would be space on the sides of the boots which would distract from the image, drawing away your attention, and reducing the overall size of the "subject" (the boots and flowers). A straight up and down shot of the boots, in my opinion, would be pointless. In other words, I love the tilt. It works for this image and makes the image more powerful than a straight-on shot would have been.
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09/15/2007 12:05:08 PM · #10 |
| The tilt doesn't add anything to the shot. |
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09/15/2007 12:11:30 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
The tilt doesn't add anything to the shot. |
But straight on would not have added anything either... and so my point above was that the tilt actually makes the image more powerful by taking away wasted pixels on the sides of the image.
Edit to add: Not intending to argue. Just voicing my opinion. :-)
Message edited by author 2007-09-15 12:12:02.
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09/15/2007 01:15:19 PM · #12 |
Tilt is a pet peeve of mine. I don't like slightly tilted horizons, for example. They look sloppy, like the photographer was to lazy to hold the camera level, or fix it in post.
If you're going to tilt, tilt it a lot. A tilt of a few degrees looks like a mistake. By that test, this is fine. It's obvious the tilt is on purpose.
Does it work in this instance? Not so much for me, but it might for others.
Message edited by author 2007-09-15 17:13:58.
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09/15/2007 01:24:10 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
The tilt doesn't add anything to the shot. |
But straight on would not have added anything either... and so my point above was that the tilt actually makes the image more powerful by taking away wasted pixels on the sides of the image.
Edit to add: Not intending to argue. Just voicing my opinion. :-) |
Your point is well taken. The tilt does draw my attention, but not in a positive way. All those pixels are going to wind up in the waste basket.
Moral of the story: Beauty is in the eye that beholds.
OTOH, I understand that  moswyn was doing her best under adverse circumstances.
I've looked at the picture again, and wonder if the boots and flowers could have been moved so that the background wasn't so objectionable. It looks as if the boots are in front of an ice bucket. That could be removed, too.
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09/15/2007 01:31:12 PM · #14 |
I my opinion, every photograph is different. I think in this case it works. As someone mentioned before, the items don't force you to look at them right side up. I never thought of that before and it makes sense. I think in this photo, if there was no tilt, it wouldn't have drawn me to it. It would have looked like a regular every day picture. I say Great Shot!!
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09/15/2007 01:34:44 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by Refinnej:
I my opinion, every photograph is different. I think in this case it works. As someone mentioned before, the items don't force you to look at them right side up. I never thought of that before and it makes sense. I think in this photo, if there was no tilt, it wouldn't have drawn me to it. It would have looked like a regular every day picture. I say Great Shot!! |
So someone can walk up to you with a picure and if you don't like it, all they have to do is turn their hand a few degrees and it's possible your opinion is going to change?
I don't share the line of thinking. If the only interesting thing about the shot is the angle it was taken at, it's a good candidate for the delete key. If it wasn't a good scene, or there was stuff in the background, or the groom was barfing in the bushes off to the right - don't press the shutter button. Wait. Change it. Move it.
Then again if someone says I want a picture of those boots and I don't care what you think about it and here's 10 bucks - well, snap away. |
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09/15/2007 01:50:23 PM · #16 |
If crop truly didn't matter ... then there would be no such thing as a "rule of thirds". And tilt, IMO, can be just as important as the crop.
In other words, in the same sense that the rule of thirds can make or break a photo ... so can tilt. (but I'm definitely NOT suggesting that every image needs tilt )
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09/15/2007 02:29:37 PM · #17 |
I like the occassional tilted shot, it can make a plain shot more dynamic, IMO. I do prefer a tilt of 30 degrees or so, though. 45 degrees seems a bit too much to me, but I guess it depends on the subject. And of course, people are all different, with different tastes.
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09/15/2007 02:39:16 PM · #18 |
Too bad you can't keep the scene level, and crop with one corner at the top. I think that would work better for me.
I feel a little sideways while looking at the posted image.
If you were going to use it tilted that way in a printed album, I would put another complimentry one next to it, with the tilts slanted into, or away from each other at the top. Another idea may be to use two tilted images to frame a third one.
I wonder if this thread is going to spin off a "Tilt the Image" side challenge?
Message edited by author 2007-09-15 14:42:25.
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09/15/2007 02:54:14 PM · #19 |
Tilt is about as mis-understood and over used as vasaline on a filter and the star filter was back in the 70's. People are so desperate to make their images "different" that they throw good taste out the window. Then again, when it's used enough, people become num ot it's effect and actually start to think they like it. But looking at something titled is un-natural to the human mind... that's one of several reasons why we have 2 eyes, it helps us see level.
Tilt is only marginally better than all the out of focus, fuzzy and movement streaked images that people have started doing over the years for the sake of being "different.
This image would have been marginal without the tilt. The tilt just makes it less interesting and is probably a poor candidate for taking a poll on tilt.
Mike
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09/15/2007 05:17:41 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
Tilt is about as mis-understood and over used as vasaline on a filter and the star filter was back in the 70's. People are so desperate to make their images "different" that they throw good taste out the window. Then again, when it's used enough, people become num ot it's effect and actually start to think they like it. But looking at something titled is un-natural to the human mind... that's one of several reasons why we have 2 eyes, it helps us see level.
Tilt is only marginally better than all the out of focus, fuzzy and movement streaked images that people have started doing over the years for the sake of being "different.
This image would have been marginal without the tilt. The tilt just makes it less interesting and is probably a poor candidate for taking a poll on tilt.
Mike |
It seems to me, you don't like tilt.
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09/15/2007 05:39:10 PM · #21 |
| Yeah, he really doesn't like the tilt. The edges of incoherence hint at a deep and abiding hatred of the tilt. |
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09/15/2007 06:02:26 PM · #22 |
Originally posted by zarniwoop:
Yeah, he really doesn't like the tilt. The edges of incoherence hint at a deep and abiding hatred of the tilt. |
I've heard long debates over whether tilt-hatred is due to nature or nurture. I had a look through Mike's portfolio and many great shots. Not one of them is tilted!
Message edited by author 2007-09-15 18:14:21.
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09/15/2007 06:19:53 PM · #23 |
Just in this case - too extreme - makes me feel like the boots are going to slide off the table.
Not a blanket anti-tilter, but it is one of those things that can be done badly very easily. |
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09/15/2007 06:23:15 PM · #24 |
too much,
in my opinion tilt is ok only if it is used to add content or context to the composition. in other words, if you are tilting the frame to get something else in there that otherwise wouldn't be, it can be ok...otherwise, just a gimmick. |
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09/15/2007 06:31:44 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I've heard long debates over whether tilt-hatred is due to nature or nurture. I had a look through Mike's portfolio and many great shots. Not one of them is tilted! |
I dunno... I think I detect a tilt in this one of his:
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