hate challenge - really a good idea?

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02/14/2007 06:31:15 AM · #1

this is going to be the first hate challenge ... i don't mind the idea, but i'm a little concerned that people may go overboard.

i think the challenge rules should have an extra line that the entries must be tastefully done. i worry people are going to post violent images that are just tasteless and inappropriate.

i think people will post pictures that are degrading and offensive to others, possibly bordering on discrimination of some kind. also, i don't like guns, and i just know there'll be a few in this challenge.

if it was a member challenge, i'd be less worried. but because it's open to all and sundry, i think there will be people whose images will go too far.

any thoughts?

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

02/14/2007 06:36:34 AM · #2

It's inevitable
My entry (should I do hate) will of cause be done tastefully
but I agree there is a very good chance of seeing some borderline entries possibley hate provoking. hate is hate, I just hope they keep it fairly respectfull and not drag it into the gutter.

02/14/2007 06:38:46 AM · #3

The world isn't only "love", unfortunately. You're worried, so don't enter, don't look, don't vote. I don't think, it is about taste here, hate cannot be expressed tastefully IMO.

02/14/2007 06:42:53 AM · #4

actually, this thread stems from a bit of a beef i have with western attitudes. in DPC rules it says no porn, no genitalia, etc ... but there are no rules about gratuitous violence.

personally, i don't want to see pictures of people with guns to their head. i don't want to see stupid, arrogant and purposeless violence.

people are up in arms about nudity, but nobody is angry about violence.

i'd like the hate challenge changed ... or at least the rules edited to ensure that inappropriate entries can be deleted.

but that wont happen ... so i won't be participating in the bad challenge and i certainly won't be looking/voting for the entries.

last rant ... any violent image on DPC should be included as adult content and should be invisible, just like nudes. same goes for drugs and guns. ALL of those kinds of images should be considered adult content.

02/14/2007 06:43:44 AM · #5

Originally posted by eyewave:

The world isn't only "love", unfortunately. You're worried, so don't enter, don't look, don't vote. I don't think, it is about taste here, hate cannot be expressed tastefully IMO.

sorry, i didn't see your thread before i posted ... as i said, i won't be looking, voting, or entering! :)

the world already has enough hate ...

jan_vdw

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02/14/2007 06:48:34 AM · #6

Hate is a difficult subject, where this may have too much violent content for some, the love challenge could be too cute and cuddely for others. These are powerful emotions that often need powerful images to convey the message.

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02/14/2007 06:54:11 AM · #7

Originally posted by super-dave:

any violent image on DPC should be included as adult content and should be invisible, just like nudes.

I agree with that, though I don't think there should be any further censorship regarding the content of images. As jan_vdw said, "powerful emotions need powerful images"

love

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02/14/2007 06:58:08 AM · #8

Originally posted by super-dave:

this is going to be the first hate challenge ... i don't mind the idea, but i'm a little concerned that people may go overboard...

There will be the extremists... and the trolls.. and the all the usual suspects.. I don't think it really matters what the subject matter is : (((

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02/14/2007 07:00:15 AM · #9

Originally posted by super-dave:

last rant ... any violent image on DPC should be included as adult content and should be invisible, just like nudes. same goes for drugs and guns. ALL of those kinds of images should be considered adult content.

Well, if someone could come up with the definition of 'adult content' and where the line should be drawn. And if that definition and interpretation is acceptable to the DPC community...

But you know that's not going to happen. What are 'drugs'? - Cigarettes? Alcohol?

02/14/2007 07:27:20 AM · #10

Originally posted by jhonan:

Originally posted by super-dave:
last rant ... any violent image on DPC should be included as adult content and should be invisible, just like nudes. same goes for drugs and guns. ALL of those kinds of images should be considered adult content.

Well, if someone could come up with the definition of 'adult content' and where the line should be drawn. And if that definition and interpretation is acceptable to the DPC community...

But you know that's not going to happen. What are 'drugs'? - Cigarettes? Alcohol?

the line has already been drawn, but saying that nudes are adult and censoring them. violence, guns, drugs should be censored too.

alcohol and cigarettes are drugs ... you can't legally drink until you're 18, so why shouldn't they be included.

i think drawing a line is easy ... for me it's all or nothing.

ralph

Nikon Z9

02/14/2007 07:37:56 AM · #11

hate does not mean violence
there are a pile of passive-aggressive things to photograph =>

02/14/2007 07:41:42 AM · #12

Originally posted by super-dave:

alcohol and cigarettes are drugs ... you can't legally drink until you're 18, so why shouldn't they be included.

Widen your horizon, dpc is NOT the US. Other countries, other laws.

goc

Apple iPhone 4

02/14/2007 07:45:41 AM · #13

Originally posted by eyewave:

Widen your horizon, dpc is NOT the US. Other countries, other laws.

i hope there are more thinking like this :-) LOL
i think this is extremely important.

goc

Brookied

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02/14/2007 08:00:20 AM · #14

i love this challenge, I think as a "photographer" you need something to bring you out and get you thinking. The world is not always a nice lovely place to live and it needs a place to be shown.

On the censorship issue also. Please do not censor any photos. If you think you may be offended don't look, don't vote.
Same as the TV or films, simply switch off!

D

02/14/2007 08:01:05 AM · #15

Originally posted by eyewave:

Widen your horizon, dpc is NOT the US. Other countries, other laws.

i was speaking for most western countries ... america's legal drinking age is 21 right?

and the nudity rule is based on similar rationality.

so your comment doesn't really make sense to me.

who the hell said anything about america anyway????

cassilda_terry

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02/14/2007 08:02:18 AM · #16

In this day and age people are always offended by other persons' words, actions, opinions. We are taught by the media to have the same opinion - and if we don't, then we are not correct. So why do we have to put limitations on a challenge such as this? Is it not asking for OUR opinion?

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02/14/2007 08:03:18 AM · #17

Originally posted by Brookied:

On the censorship issue also. Please do not censor any photos. If you think you may be offended don't look, don't vote.
Same as the TV or films, simply switch off!

i agree totally ... so why are we censoring nudes?

because DPC is just as inconsistent as western attitudes. blood and death and gore are cool ... but a nipple sends people insane.

pick one and stop being hypocritical.

Elvis_L

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

02/14/2007 08:07:48 AM · #18

I honestly don't understand why people don't want to see things that really happen. just because someone shows a gun or a possible suicide doesn't make it gratuitous. IT may be a very meaningful photo to them. Violence happens every day acting like it doesn't is kinda silly IMO. There will be photos that make people upset in the hate challenge but why is that bad. If someone depicts a terrorist hurting Americans it would upset many people but does it mean that the person tok the photo feels the same way? no it means they are trying to stir emotion in people.

A visit to a holocaust museum shows many photos of violence and hate but does it mean it should be closed down? I understand that some people may go to far but to censor everyone is not a good idea IMO.

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02/14/2007 08:27:14 AM · #19

Originally posted by super-dave:

Originally posted by eyewave:
Widen your horizon, dpc is NOT the US. Other countries, other laws.

i was speaking for most western countries ... america's legal drinking age is 21 right?

No you didn't. In Germany for example, drinking low alcohol drinks like beer or wine is legal from 16 years up and so is smoking, (as far as I know in UK too). We also don't have such restrictive laws about nudity. In The Netherlands, smoking Marijuana is legal. Just some examples, and even in different states of the US there are different laws.

Brookied

Apple iPhone 6

02/14/2007 08:32:29 AM · #20

censorship in any form is wrong IMO. People have to relearn that you have complete control over your own actions. It is something we are teaching our little boy. If he does not like something for what ever reason he will tell us and we can act accordingly,
We as parents will not however censor information from his view just for the sake of it.

violence and hate is something i lived with as a young lad, My mum was physically abused by my step dad as was I. Do we censor this information or can we make other aware of it? by making others aware of it we can act to prevent going forward!

It seems to me that censorship is equal to sticking your head in the sand. and bypassing the real issues in this world. If more people actually saw what is going on then maybe more people could do something about it?

Puckzzz

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02/14/2007 08:34:04 AM · #21

Originally posted by eyewave:

Originally posted by super-dave:

Originally posted by eyewave:
Widen your horizon, dpc is NOT the US. Other countries, other laws.

i was speaking for most western countries ... america's legal drinking age is 21 right?

No you didn't. In Germany for example, drinking low alcohol drinks like beer or wine is legal from 16 years up and so is smoking, (as far as I know in UK too). We also don't have such restrictive laws about nudity. In The Netherlands, smoking Marijuana is legal. Just some examples, and even in different states of the US there are different laws.

the smoking is legal yes, but growing and owning (30 grams or more) isn't.
it's a crooked law, because marihuana is also supplied by some pharmacists as a medicine.

I think the 'hate' challenge is a very good challenge, because it is challenging to portrait hate. I'm thinking of entering but don't have a good idea yet.

Message edited by author 2007-02-14 08:34:54.