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04/28/2002 08:28:44 PM · #1 |
Have a challenge with a topic where the photographer must use the 640x480 camera mode with standard pic quality and no edits...
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04/28/2002 09:08:30 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
Have a challenge with a topic where the photographer must use the 640x480 camera mode with standard pic quality and no edits...
If you do this, it's just to the advantage of the people with expensive cameras which do a lot
of after image, in camera processing, compared to cheaper cameras. I understand
that people want a 'level playing field' but I think the levelest playing field
comes from allowing people to do all the post procesing they need, on the computer, prior
to submission. This at least gives people a chance to compete, rather than just
pitting the optics and electronics in the camera up against each other.
Sure this way means people have to have talent and ability, both taking the picture and
making the final result/ print. Isn't that the point ?
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04/28/2002 09:28:08 PM · #3 |
Gordon..I agree with you 100%.
There is no level playing field. We have 16 year old high school folks on limitied bugdets competing against 50 year old graphics professionals with all the pro tools at their disposal and everything in between.
Limiting the pictures optical characteristics leans the advantage in another direction is all.
I always shoot in 2200 x 1700 and sample down to 640 x 480 on my shots for digital sharing, rarely cropping more than 10% of any photo. I have only been shooting digital for 3 weeks but shooting film for 20 years so I have my field composing preferences pretty refined. I actually find the ability to crop more freely on the fly more liberating.
I would rather see challenges based on content/art interprtation rather than technical hoops. |
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04/28/2002 09:35:52 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by hokie:
Gordon..I agree with you 100%.
I would rather see challenges based on content/art interprtation rather than technical hoops.
I tend to agree, which is why I prefer to not place arbitary restrictions on what technical
tools can be used.
Maybe I'm just biased as I only have 4 months experience using a camera, film or digital, but
a whole lot more experience with the technical side of image manipulation.
But I don't see the advantage of further restricting the people with lower-end cameras and
removing any chance they have to improve the images after taking them, to at least
similar levels as those who have expensive cameras with lots of built in, autoprocessing.
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04/28/2002 09:49:00 PM · #5 |
This would not further restrict the lower end camera users....
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04/28/2002 09:50:35 PM · #6 |
I think my original intent with this idea was moreso to make the photographer frame the photo with the camera....
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04/28/2002 09:52:46 PM · #7 |
I think Jim was referring to a one shot challenge so I don't want to misrepresent his suggestion as some attempt to restrict the whole challenge process.
I would hate to see the site turn into some photoshop one-upmanship site. There are too many of those sites around nowadays and not enough sites to allow people to express simple in-the-field/in-the-studio camera handling ability.
But, darkroom techniques that have been around for decades should be allowed and we should allow folks to take advantage of technical advancements in both camera equipment and editing equipment that makes photography more gratifying for the beginner to advanced user.
I think this site does that quite well so far. |
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05/01/2002 10:50:39 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This would not further restrict the lower end camera users....
Actually, it would. Lots of the more expensive cameras use the whole CCD to capture, then downsize in camera to the lower resolution. This would make a big difference.
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05/02/2002 12:11:11 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This would not further restrict the lower end camera users....
It would though. Give me a low end camera and allow me to use all the technical hoops, and I can use layers to reduce artifacts, spot adjustments, filters to correct barrel distortion, colour shifts to improve chromatic errors and no end of other things that are introduced by cheap optics and low powered processing elements. After all this and reducing it to 640x480 you have a good chance of competing with a mid to high end prosumer digicam.
However, restrict it to just what comes out of the camera and the expensive camera, with the good optics and higher performance embedded processor to do more computationally expensive algorithms in camera, on data from a larger CCD, will blow the cheaper camera away every time.
No edit rules are to the detriment of the cheaper camera, making it even less of an even playing field.
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05/02/2002 03:35:59 AM · #10 |
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