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07/19/2003 06:59:41 PM · #1 |
I've been holding off asking about this, cause I don't want to piss anyone off, and I'm afraid my toungue (fingers?) will get away from me...
I've requested critiques on probably about half of my submissions - maybe 5 or 6 entries. (Hard to tell now - I don't note it to myself, and after the challenge is over, no way to tell.) However, I've only two responses from the critique club. The first was on my first entry - I asked in one of the forums a week or so later how long I should wait, and Inspzil was kind enough to respond and give me a very good critique (good in the quality of the critique, not in that it was flattering). The only other sign of attention from the critique club came on my Matrix shot, where I asked in the challenge results forum for some feedback. After getting about a half dozen responses, I got a critique club message saying basically "you got a lot of feedback, so here's some quick thoughts..." - sort of a mini-critique, but it was good enough.
I've kind of been forgetting about it for the most part, but after not hearing anything for some time (and particularly on Speed and Liquid, which I would have liked some in-depth critques on), I came in here to see what's happening with the critiques. I've read several posts that say something to the effect of "all the critique requests have been cleared from the queue", and now I'm pretty puzzled. What does that mean? If all the requests are getting cleared from the queue, then it would seem like I should have gotten critiqued on those where I requested it. (And, btw, I don't request for every shot I submit, only those I've really put some effort into, or I feel are above par for myself - so I can see if I'm really getting better.) I would have understood if the answer was that the critique club is overwhelmed, overloaded, understaffed, whatever, and we can't get to all the requests. But it would seem to me that being "cleared from the queue" should indicate that a critique was written. Am I off base here?
And, another btw, so as to not be one who complains without offering to help with the solution, I'm going to go next and find out where to sign up. But it seems like maybe the system isn't working so well, if critiques are falling through the cracks. I went and looked at the first 50 Night On The Town finishers, and I don't think I was a single critique club message. And maybe a dozen on unanswered questions. Maybe another question is how many requests are usually made on a given challenge?
Well, probably too many comments and questions for one post. Hopefully I haven't chased anyone with answers away by now... |
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07/19/2003 07:11:43 PM · #2 |
I'm sure one of the members will give you a better responce, but the simple answer is that the critique club cannot get to anywhere near the total number of requests. Also, members of the club get critiques before the general public, so people not in the critique club rarely get critiques anymore. But of course, we non-critique club folks have no right to complain as we are not contributing to the club either.
Anyway, when a challenge ends all shots that requested a critique are added to the queue and the critique club will spend a week getting to however many entries they can. After a week all entries are cleared from the queue even if they have not been critiqued so that the entries from the next challenge can be critiqued.
If entries weren't routienly cleared from the queue, the club would be so backlogged they wouldn't get to any recent shots at all, and would just continue to fall more behind.
Message edited by author 2003-07-19 19:12:50.
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07/19/2003 07:11:52 PM · #3 |
I'm not totally sure, but when people say it is cleared from the queue I think they mean that a week after the challenge has ended, critiques are no longer done on photos for that challenge, and they move onto the next challegne. Therefor all photos in the previous challenge are removed from the CC queue.
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07/19/2003 07:12:26 PM · #4 |
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07/19/2003 07:43:27 PM · #5 |
Also, the priority thing is changed now and CC members don't automatically get priority. You have to do ... I don't remember how many to get priority.
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07/19/2003 10:13:26 PM · #6 |
Huh. It would be cool if there were some code way that when the queue was cleared, an automatic PM was sent to the people who had pending critiques that weren't going to happen - just to let them know that they weren't getting a critique because of time constraints, etc.
Not really necessary, just would be cool. It's handy to know this, anyway! |
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07/19/2003 10:17:27 PM · #7 |
Ah, I get it. One queue for all critiques. I guess that makes sense. It would be interesting to see some simple stats on how many requests there usually are, how many get handled, and how many get "flushed", so to speak. Might be nice if there were some algorythm to try to see that the limited number of critiques available get spread around somewhat fairly, i.e. if person A gets a critique one week and person B gets removed for lack of time/critiquers, that next week person B would get priority over person A.
Anyway, just sent in my request to "join the club". Hopefully I can help put a dent in the backlog. |
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07/19/2003 10:19:34 PM · #8 |
| ...and, ditto kyrielle - it would be nice to know not to expect anything, and that the reason is that there were too many requests to handle, not that (hopefully?) you weren't just ignored or otherwise snubbed by someone... |
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07/19/2003 10:53:50 PM · #9 |
You don't really need an email. Just do the math, if you haven't received a CC comment within 7 days after the challenge ended, you're probably not going to get one.
The CC is volunteers who take time to crit some shots that people would like comments on.
The People who are CC members, DO get bumped to the top of the list ONLY if they have made a certain amount of crits, however, it's usually only like 3-5 people, so I don't think that cuts into non members very much.
Simple fact is, that if every CC member gave only 3-5 critiques, we'd probably make it through all of them. However, only a portion of the members actually critique regularily.
There have been a few challenges where we made it through all the requests, but in one of those, onesweetsin and I had to make over 50 CC comments each!!
This is difficult work. And sometimes frusterating when the comment isn't even acknowledged at all. Even after sending an email letting people know they have received the comment.
I will admit that I haven't made many lately since I went back to work a couple weeks ago as a Shift Manager.
If you get one, consider it a bonus. If not, don't take it personally. 'The List' is totally random.
Message edited by author 2003-07-19 22:54:51.
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07/19/2003 11:13:56 PM · #10 |
You're right, I don't need the email. Now. Now that I've read this and know how it works. (And I didn't need it before because, frankly, I haven't had any photos I felt were good enough to waste the CC's time with.)
Like I said, it's probably not strictly necessary. On the other hand, newbies who may not realize that that checkbox ties to this board, or that it times out after 7 days, might be informed and enlightened by an automatic mail (or maybe just some sort of note that let you know, next to the checkbox, that it expired in 7 days?).
I certainly am not trying to criticize the folks involved for not getting through everything. I'm surprised to hear that it happens at all, considering the number of photos and that there are probably a great many asking for this sort of commenting. I was just thinking that people who didn't realize about the timeout might think they were being ignored when it is in fact simple math. |
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07/20/2003 10:56:16 AM · #11 |
Most of the time when I manage to find some time to write a couple of critiques, there are over 100 images in the queue: my guess would be that well over half of submitted images request critiques, but CJ'll be the one that knows.
FWIW, my feeling is that it's too easy to ask for a critique, and that it's made to seem like an official part of the site - something that is paid for, if you like. I certainly had that impression before I investigated any further.
A final point: as John Setzler (at least) has often commented, spending the time and concentration to properly write about an image can be almost as useful (perhpas even more so) an experience as actually taking the photos.
Ed
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07/20/2003 11:24:04 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
There have been a few challenges where we made it through all the requests, but in one of those, onesweetsin and I had to make over 50 CC comments each!! |
If the CC club is overburdened with a huge amount of images why don’t you ask people to join. Shoot, I even tried to join but never heard anything back so figured I didn’t meet the requirements even though I was under the impression there weren’t any. :-(
Message edited by author 2003-07-20 23:24:12.
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