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Canon EF 28-135mm F/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/07/2003 11:13:38 AM · #2

Originally posted by carsten:

Just bad luck. Photographers are assigned photographs randomly, and therefore do not have a choice which to do. The number of critiques being done has fallen. If you would like to do critiques, you should seriously consider joining.

-Terry

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/08/2003 09:22:53 AM · #3

I sent an email to the address listed on the "Critique Club" page but haven't heard back. I'd be happy to help out. Makes me work harder on my own shots when I evaluate how others work.

Olympus 50mm f/1.8 MF Normal Zuiko

04/08/2003 09:25:04 AM · #4

Originally posted by shareinnc:

I sent an email to the address listed on the "Critique Club" page but haven't heard back. I'd be happy to help out. Makes me work harder on my own shots when I evaluate how others work.

I have your request and i'm looking into some things. I'm trimming the critique club membership at the moment and will be adding some new people shortly.. :)

Annida

Olympus C-4000Z

04/08/2003 09:27:53 AM · #5

oh no! am I a trimming?!

emorgan49

Olympus E-5

04/08/2003 09:28:44 AM · #6

Trimming??? AWCk - don't trim me, I'm slow but I get a few done.

04/08/2003 09:29:21 AM · #7

Originally posted by Annida:

oh no! am I a trimming?!

I don't think so... I have been trimming the members who have not done a critique in the previous 4 weeks...

04/08/2003 09:45:56 AM · #8

Originally posted by carsten:

Carsten,

The group is still alive but the number of critiques being done each week has dropped off. I think that the 'new' is wearing off and the participation is down somewhat. The CC members don't get any rewards for doing the critiques other than a personal learning experience. For the last month or so, the CC has completed approximately 50% of the requests. The one physical benefit that CC members receive is having their own photos at the top of the request list each week. So, with that being said, we haven't gotten but a few non-member photos critiqued each week in recent history.

I am working on 'fixing' some of this by filtering out CC members who are not participating and I will be adding some new members in the future.

John Setzler

Azrifel

Nikon Coolpix P340

04/08/2003 09:47:29 AM · #9

That probably includes me.
I am sorry that I haven't done any. At the moment I don't think I will do any for a long long time. What I said earlier about being busy with six challenges at the same time (critiquing the old ones, voting and commenting on the current ones and thinking/photographing for the new ones) is still true for me. I have trouble to do that all at once, the fun was gone.

Good luck, CC-ing really makes you a better pg.

BTW: I haven't asked a critique since I stopped critiquing myself.

Message edited by author 2003-04-08 09:48:40.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/08/2003 10:11:42 AM · #10

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

The CC members don't get any rewards for doing the critiques other than a personal learning experience.

Perhaps the owners of DPChallenge could be convinced to offer "membership" benefits (reduced cost, more portfolio space, etc.) for those who complete a certain number of critiques (marked as "helpful" by the recipient) in a time period. Just a thought to help with participation and motivation.

Shari

Message edited by author 2003-04-08 10:12:55.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/08/2003 10:12:24 AM · #11

Originally posted by jmsetzler:

I have your request and i'm looking into some things. I'm trimming the critique club membership at the moment and will be adding some new people shortly.. :)

No problem :). I can be patient LOL.

Shari

Annida

Olympus C-4000Z

04/08/2003 10:24:42 AM · #12

Originally posted by shareinnc:

Originally posted by jmsetzler:
The CC members don't get any rewards for doing the critiques other than a personal learning experience.

Perhaps the owners of DPChallenge could be convinced to offer "membership" benefits (reduced cost, more portfolio space, etc.) for those who complete a certain number of critiques (marked as "helpful" by the recipient) in a time period. Just a thought to help with participation and motivation.

Shari

I've noticed less and less of critiques get marked as helpful. so there goes that idea.

wewillexplore

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/08/2003 11:10:47 AM · #13

I'm sure I've been around enough you haven't forgotten me, Setz, but just in case you'd like a written request, here's mine - add me, add me. I'm ALWAYS here right now - and when I'm not, I'll still be here enough to do a few each week. As it is I spend too much time here. May as well put it to good use for me AND someone else.

(And I don't care about CC on my images - if I have a question, I'll ask someone in chat after the contest is over - I haven't asked for one in my last 4 challenges either)

M

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

04/08/2003 11:12:04 AM · #14

I was one of those who initially did a lot of critiques but has done far fewer over recent months.
I found that instead of thanks for ones I did I just felt harangued for not doing more - that may well be just my perception but that's how I felt.
I did critiques for two reasons - certainly as a learning experience for myself but also to give something I thought was valuable to fellow site users.
But reading threads where people were suggesting that CCers should do a minimum of y number per week or how it wasn't good that they hadn't given critiques on more than x% of entries just got me down. Instead of getting thanks for the that x% done some people seemed (to me) to simply be criticising for the ones not done.
That didn't sit well with my personal feelings about the whole thing.

I don't know whether I'll be pruned from CC membership or not... I'll wait and see - but certainly I'd like to remain and be able to do one or two when I feel able to contribute, rather than a set number in a set period. (As I haven't entered a challenge since I started critiqueing I am not unfairly receiving critiques or anything either).

Kavey

04/08/2003 11:25:04 AM · #15

We don't have a minimum number of critiques required, but I do feel that those who have not done any critiques over a 4 week period are not likely interested in participating anymore... does that sound reasonable? I would like to remove those so that more non members have the opportunity to get critiques.

We have only discussed the number of critiques that we do. We have never implemented any minimum until this point really... I have always stressed the importance of critique quality over quantity.

Sure, it would be nice if we got all requests done every week, but I know that won't happen and it's not a problem for me at all.

joshua

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

04/08/2003 11:28:22 AM · #16

is there really a purpose for taking them off the list though? i went to go do one the other day, and i was taken off the list, and when i thought about it, i guess it had been a while since i did some critiques, but does it make sense that if less people are getting critiques done to prune the possible critiquers down even more?

that is, unless you have a maximum number of slots for critiquers, in which case i would agree to pruning the "slackers" if other people wanted to get in on it

Message edited by author 2003-04-08 11:30:35.

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

04/08/2003 11:32:33 AM · #17

This is a tough one to answer I think.

I can understand why, for the most part, if someone has done no critiques for a while, that they be removed from the list - with the proviso that they can ask to be added again when they are ready to do more. The reason for this is that most critiquers also enter challenges, and it's not entirely fair to have their images top of the queue to receive critiques, by virtue of them being in CC, if they aren't doing any.

That said, this doesn't impact me, personally, as I am crap at entering challenges!

I am happier knowing there is no set limit I have to do.

Perhaps it would be best to have members removed from CC if they don't do any for 4 weeks, as you've said - purely in order that their images are not unfairly at top of queue - but to make it easy for them to rejoin when ready to do more crits?

Just an idea...

Hope I'm helping not hindering...

04/08/2003 11:33:23 AM · #18

Originally posted by achiral:

The purpose for removing them from the list is listed above...

04/08/2003 11:34:44 AM · #19

I will add anyone back to the list that wants to rejoin without hesitation...

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

04/08/2003 03:18:00 PM · #20

Originally posted by Annida:

I've noticed less and less of critiques get marked as helpful. so there goes that idea.

It could be that folks are seeing too many...I like it, or I hate it with no actual analysis. I know I usually mark only those critiques that are helpful...address specifics of what someone does or does not like or sees as a technical problem.

Just a thought.
Shari

Kavey

Sigma 18-125mm f/3.5-5.6 DC for Canon

04/08/2003 05:05:48 PM · #21

I've done lengthy critique club critiques where I've tried to comment on composition, content, DOF, focus etc, background and all of that with as much insight as I can and had those not marked as helpful.

*shrug*

Lustre

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

04/08/2003 07:04:01 PM · #22

I'm curious as to the approximate number of critiques that each club member would need to do to complete them all. I'm hoping to do about six this week, but have no idea if that is enough.

I do know that personally I haven't received a critique for a while (although I only joined the club recently so I'm looking forward to one this week). My submission for Symmetry received only six basic comments (some of which cancelled each other out)... This was disappointing since I provided over 60 comments myself. For each critique I provide this week I will probably ask politely for a comment in return on my submission.

Also, since we have multiple challenges going simultaneously now perhaps the queue can be arranged that no photographer receives more than one critique before everyone has had one. Does this sound reasonable? Unfortunately it seems that the people who need the critiques most are the least likely to receive them.

Oh well - time to go a critique an entry.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

04/08/2003 07:09:43 PM · #23

If everyone did 4-5 critiques per week, we would usually complete all the requests...

lionelm

Canon EOS-10D

04/08/2003 07:38:10 PM · #24

I know that at the beginning I was doing 3 or 4 , then dropped and ask john and he put me back again but I ha missed energy abou that. I am sorry but even if I learn at the same time, I have spent time on it and trying to help the person .. and each time I got a messagesaying thank you it gave me more energy but otherwise I was having kind of the feeling of doing it for nothing.

But for example I do not feel like asking to be back in the CC because I cannot guarantee and I do not want to look like I am trying to have the 'benefit' without doing critiques .. or something like that.

The thing is I do not know how much manual john is putting into this is it like querying a system in SQL. Because then what would make sense would be to let people stay in the CC, and I might be back or still do a few ... but let 's say if you have not done 4 critiques in the last 2 weeks, you do not get the priority to be critiqued. That way you do not close the door to people like me , I might not be the only one, and at the same time we do not get the 'priority'.

Said like that it looks a very good Idea to me to manage the thing .. except if it's a bunch of manual or specific work for John or other people managing that.

0.02$
Lionel

Message edited by author 2003-04-08 19:39:26.