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04/02/2005 10:03:12 AM · #1
Let me preface this by saying that I am by no means a pro photographer. In fact, I have mainly been a lurker trying to pick up as many tips as possible. When I judge a photo, I tend to do it based on whether or not the composition/quality is something that I would want hanging on my own wall (subject aside).

On to my point . . . it seems like some people will enter a picture that has really no relation to theme. Is it just me? I'm starting to wonder if I'm just dense and missing the correlation. How hard are you supposed to think about the 'true' meaning? How are we supposed to critique these? How many points do you typically deduct when it's obvious it has nothing to do with the theme?

Thanks for humoring a newbie~
Melissa
04/02/2005 10:05:36 AM · #2
Happens all the time. Images that have nothing to do with the challenge topic get very low scores (a 1 if it happens to be a particularly bad photo).
04/02/2005 10:08:59 AM · #3
We're supposed to vote it as we would in any challenge, and let the council look at it to see if it should be dqed. They removed one picture today from the ducky challenge as it didnt fit the challenge.
04/02/2005 10:12:30 AM · #4
When i vote I score the photo on how it fits the challenge then how I like it.
I would figure that a 5 is average right?
I have a cemetery photo up that i think is one of my best so far and im getting a 4.8.
So a 4.8 is sub-par?
04/02/2005 10:13:48 AM · #5
Originally posted by di53:

We're supposed to vote it as we would in any challenge, and let the council look at it to see if it should be dqed.


NO! Not meeting the challenge is not a valid reason for DQ (with the possible exception of the Rubber Ducky challenge). According to the rules, "While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."

Message edited by author 2005-04-02 10:14:23.
04/02/2005 10:14:53 AM · #6
Originally posted by di53:

We're supposed to vote it as we would in any challenge, and let the council look at it to see if it should be dqed. They removed one picture today from the ducky challenge as it didnt fit the challenge.


Only for the "ducky" challenge is not meeting the challenge DQ-able. Normally, not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ, though it will result in a royal drubbing by the voters, and that's punishment enough, LOL.

04/02/2005 10:16:02 AM · #7
looks like two got DQ'ed

Originally posted by di53:

We're supposed to vote it as we would in any challenge, and let the council look at it to see if it should be dqed. They removed one picture today from the ducky challenge as it didnt fit the challenge.

04/02/2005 10:20:26 AM · #8
The true meaning of a photo may not jump out at you. Some photos have a meaning that may be hidden. The photographer may see something we do not, I tend to give the photo the benifet of the dought. People of differnt ages may see something diffrent. It is insight that makes a photo good, if it makes you think, the photographer has done well.
04/02/2005 10:28:06 AM · #9
Just thinking about it.. in the rubberduck competition one of the disqualified and subsequently removed pics depicted a scene of beastiality. How can anyone be expected to even cast a vote on it?
04/02/2005 10:31:16 AM · #10
I have so much sympathy when the council has to deal with someone who takes their dq to the forums.
The rules for this challenge were specific in the fact that if you didnt follow the challenge you'd be dqed.

edit = typo

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by di53:

We're supposed to vote it as we would in any challenge, and let the council look at it to see if it should be dqed. They removed one picture today from the ducky challenge as it didnt fit the challenge.


Only for the "ducky" challenge is not meeting the challenge DQ-able. Normally, not meeting the challenge is not grounds for DQ, though it will result in a royal drubbing by the voters, and that's punishment enough, LOL.


Message edited by author 2005-04-02 10:33:02.
04/02/2005 10:38:32 AM · #11
If a photo comletely misses the theme of the challenge, I give give it a 1 or 2. If it's at least well shot, I'll give it the 2. To me, meeting the challenge is the most important thing. If it's a the challenge is "cows" and someone sumits a picture of a sheep, they deserve a 1 even if it's the best sheep photo ever taken because they completely missed the mark. To me, it's the same as if someone brought a toco to a cake baking contest.
04/02/2005 10:44:38 AM · #12
wow.....I wasn't planning on doing this, but in light of gibun's post I thought it might be prudent, just so no one misinterpreted my entry (or thought there might have been some subliminal depraved message or something).

My Ducky entry was DQ'ed, but it wasn't for not meeting the challenge. It was a literal representation of art.....I 'painted' the whole thing by hand in Photoshop as a joke entry....I had no access to a ducky or grapes, but I wanted to participate in the spirit of the day. (I fully expected it to be DQ'ed.)



I hope at least some of you got a chuckle out of it.
04/02/2005 10:49:36 AM · #13
I liked your ducky painting, personally. I didn't realize it had been DQ'd.
04/02/2005 10:49:40 AM · #14
LOL i thought it was funny :)

Originally posted by sfboatright:

wow.....I wasn't planning on doing this, but in light of gibun's post I thought it might be prudent, just so no one misinterpreted my entry (or thought there might have been some subliminal depraved message or something).

My Ducky entry was DQ'ed, but it wasn't for not meeting the challenge. It was a literal representation of art.....I 'painted' the whole thing by hand in Photoshop as a joke entry....I had no access to a ducky or grapes, but I wanted to participate in the spirit of the day. (I fully expected it to be DQ'ed.)



I hope at least some of you got a chuckle out of it.
04/02/2005 10:59:26 AM · #15
Originally posted by crockettdl:

If a photo comletely misses the theme of the challenge, I give give it a 1 or 2. If it's at least well shot, I'll give it the 2. To me, meeting the challenge is the most important thing. If it's a the challenge is "cows" and someone sumits a picture of a sheep, they deserve a 1 even if it's the best sheep photo ever taken because they completely missed the mark. To me, it's the same as if someone brought a toco to a cake baking contest.


To waylay your example, "cows" can be interpreted as something other than a physical cow. People can be cowed, and by photographing that, one might be trying to depict the nature of cows without actually showing a cow. The voters will still hammer it, but it might be worth spending a moment to try to understand what the photographer had in mind before dismissively giving it a one or two.

edit: I'm not suggesting that this is what you do, but I think there are those that do.

Message edited by author 2005-04-02 11:00:37.
04/02/2005 11:02:57 AM · #16
Originally posted by eqsite:

Originally posted by crockettdl:

If a photo comletely misses the theme of the challenge, I give give it a 1 or 2. If it's at least well shot, I'll give it the 2. To me, meeting the challenge is the most important thing. If it's a the challenge is "cows" and someone sumits a picture of a sheep, they deserve a 1 even if it's the best sheep photo ever taken because they completely missed the mark. To me, it's the same as if someone brought a toco to a cake baking contest.


To waylay your example, "cows" can be interpreted as something other than a physical cow. People can be cowed, and by photographing that, one might be trying to depict the nature of cows without actually showing a cow. The voters will still hammer it, but it might be worth spending a moment to try to understand what the photographer had in mind before dismissively giving it a one or two.

edit: I'm not suggesting that this is what you do, but I think there are those that do.


I definitely spend some time trying to get a feel for what the photographer was trying to convey. There is just a point where I have to say time to move on, lol.
04/02/2005 11:04:37 AM · #17
Originally posted by eqsite:

Originally posted by crockettdl:

If a photo comletely misses the theme of the challenge, I give give it a 1 or 2. If it's at least well shot, I'll give it the 2. To me, meeting the challenge is the most important thing. If it's a the challenge is "cows" and someone sumits a picture of a sheep, they deserve a 1 even if it's the best sheep photo ever taken because they completely missed the mark. To me, it's the same as if someone brought a toco to a cake baking contest.


To waylay your example, "cows" can be interpreted as something other than a physical cow. People can be cowed, and by photographing that, one might be trying to depict the nature of cows without actually showing a cow. The voters will still hammer it, but it might be worth spending a moment to try to understand what the photographer had in mind before dismissively giving it a one or two.

edit: I'm not suggesting that this is what you do, but I think there are those that do.


My first entry in a DPChallenge was "Best Friends" the comments I got told that I missed the point, I don't think I did. Just because I had only one person in the photo, did that mean I was wrong. You can show a friend in many ways, not just 2 people.
04/02/2005 11:12:05 AM · #18
I believe that there are degrees to meeting a challenge. Different people will see different degrees of applicability. Sme pics comply with the subject of the challenge, some do so weakly, but others really capture the essence of the word or object in the challenge subject. Some may be better or worse technically. All a question of degree.

Cannot agree with those who arbitrarily decide "this does not meet the challange" and decide that means that they must start from 1 or 2 as a starting point.

Message edited by author 2005-04-02 11:12:34.
04/02/2005 11:14:01 AM · #19
Originally posted by sfboatright:

wow.....I wasn't planning on doing this, but in light of gibun's post I thought it might be prudent, just so no one misinterpreted my entry (or thought there might have been some subliminal depraved message or something).

My Ducky entry was DQ'ed, but it wasn't for not meeting the challenge. It was a literal representation of art.....I 'painted' the whole thing by hand in Photoshop as a joke entry....I had no access to a ducky or grapes, but I wanted to participate in the spirit of the day. (I fully expected it to be DQ'ed.)



I hope at least some of you got a chuckle out of it.


You know I did :) I loved it. However, I had also commented that it would probably get DQ'd for exactly that reason too.. lol
04/02/2005 11:16:36 AM · #20
Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Cannot agree with those who arbitrarily decide "this does not meet the challange" and decide that means that they must start from 1 or 2 as a starting point.


I think the original poster was asking about obvious cases, not degrees of interpretation. Giving a low vote to a banana macro submitted in a Blue challenge isn't an arbitrary decision.

Message edited by author 2005-04-02 11:16:45.
04/02/2005 05:47:24 PM · #21
Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by legalbeagle:

Cannot agree with those who arbitrarily decide "this does not meet the challange" and decide that means that they must start from 1 or 2 as a starting point.


I think the original poster was asking about obvious cases, not degrees of interpretation. Giving a low vote to a banana macro submitted in a Blue challenge isn't an arbitrary decision.


words I intended to be emphasised were "arbitrarily decide" and "must" - problem in my mind is right/wrong mentality combined with punishing anything determined to be "wrong". If it was a saxophone in the blue challenge, disagree with those that say that image automatically cannot get more than 1 ot 2, because connection is not strong enough. Would prefer that, if the link is seen, but it is weak, that scoring takes a hit, but not a critical one.
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