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08/10/2002 11:18:43 PM · #1 |
ok.. it's happy hour... I've decided to put my 1000's of hours of photoshop time to the test... The first few inteligent photoshop questions in this thread I will try my best to answer.... :-)
Please no "how do I resize" questions.... try something like asking how to create x effect I've seen on x site... or is there any way to remove x without spot editing.....
Please also specify what version of photoshop you are using.. links to relivant photo's are prefered..
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08/10/2002 11:46:06 PM · #2 |
You might want to put together a Photoshop tutorial if you feel so inclined... we'd really appreciate it. A new tutorials section is coming soon, and we need all the user tutorials we can get! Any relevant topic or collection of topics. Just a thought anyway. :)
The rest of you... might want to jump on this opportunity! Free help :)
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08/11/2002 12:47:10 AM · #3 |
Jeremya, I'd love to understand working with layers. A tutorial would be just wonderful.
My Photographs
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08/11/2002 01:04:14 AM · #4 |
Layers has got to be one of the best ideas EVER. (right there next to that sliced bread idea ;))
Originally posted by gracious:
Jeremya, I'd love to understand working with layers. A tutorial would be just wonderful.
My Photographs
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08/11/2002 01:35:42 AM · #5 |
wtf is a mask? layers are easy....
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08/11/2002 01:57:39 AM · #6 |
Here's one I can't figure out. This one is from Worth1000.com contest where you are given an image and you have to do something creative to it with Photoshop. This is the original image. Somebody swapped the two ladys' clothes and got this. How did he do that?
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/11/2002 8:53:26 PM. |
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08/11/2002 02:20:11 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by rdesai:
Here's one I can't figure out. This one is from Worth100.com contest where you are given an image and you have to do something creative to it with Photoshop. This is the original image. Somebody swapped the two ladys' clothes and got this. How did he do that?
I'll summarize more or less what he did. He copied the original on several layers. Then he did masks of the dresses and hats. Then he "moved" the dress/hat to the other model. He erased whatever was redundant from the original, i.e. where the new dress didn't quite overlap the old dress/hat. The blue dress he probably also stretched somewhat (i.e. scaling) to fit the larger woman. He may also have scaled down the dress to fit the skinnier woman. Then with the cloning stamp and brush he got rid of the old fold and shadows and he created new shadows, i.e. the blue dress, to fit the new settings, i.e. contours of the model and the light falling on her. He may also have had to retouch the immediate background of the two models somewhat to fit their new costumes which he did with cloning and airbrushing.
I didn't spend much time looking at the image but that's essentially how he went about it.
Sincerely,
A Photoshop Addict
* This message has been edited by the author on 8/11/2002 2:54:17 AM. |
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08/11/2002 02:39:21 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by gracious:
Jeremya, I'd love to understand working with layers. A tutorial would be just wonderful.
My Photographs
The best comparison of a layer is to view it as a sheet of transparent cellophane. Layers are transparent if you use a blending other than "normal". Furthermore, you increase/decrease the transparency of a layer with the opacity slider.
The beauty of working with layers is that you have infinite possibilities to make changes, delete layers, move them around, change their blending modes. I honestly don't know how much or little you know about Photoshop but let me give a little, very simple illustration:
Let's say I make an image of a green tree on a blue background (sounds boring). If I do all that on one layer, it's not easy to make changes. So, I start out with one layer with a blue background. On the NEXT layer I draw a tree in green. Mmmm, how about if I add a layer of a little pattern of orange dots just above the blue background layer. A bit more interesting. More interesting if I set the blending mode of the orange dot layer to say Pin light. Then I decide the green tree is pretty boring too. So, I dup the tree layer and I keep the leaf part green but I make the trunk black. Then I go back to the original tree layer and erase the green trunk because I overlay the layer with the black trunk layer. Then I add a layer with a sun. Then I decide that actually the sun should be more to the right so I move that. Etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Each time I change something on any layer I'm changing the overall image (which is the sum of all those semi-transparent layers) without having to change other things at the same time. Had I done everything on the same layer to begin with, it would be difficult to make changes without time consuming deleting, erasing, etc. Do you get the picture?
Now, you can do the same with photographs. You can have one photograph on one layer and another on another layer and another photograph on another, etc, etc. Now, of course, you have a mess on your hand and you have to start manipulation and turning this into a composite image that makes sense. But that is another lesson entirely :)
What you can also do with photographs and layers is to overlay the photograph layer with the same photograph on another layer and apply some effect to it, such as hue/saturation or running a filter on it, or doing some special effect. Then play with the blending modes and opacities.
I hope this answered your question somewhat. If not, be more specific in your question.
Sincerely,
A Photoshop Addict
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08/11/2002 02:49:08 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by cq107:
wtf is a mask? layers are easy....
Yeah, EVERYTHING is easy once you know. So are masks :)
Masks are very powerful. The best way to define what it is is by giving an example. You take, say, a great opportunity shot of a child in the street. Problem is the background of that great kid shot is awful and it ruins the picture. So, you want to get rid of the background. You apply a layer mask (painting with black and white) on which you paint out the background. Painting with black (in mask mode!) deletes and painting with white restores. The beauty of mask therefore is that it is non destructive (until you apply the mask) and you can go back and forth painting with black and white, i.e. deleting and restoring, so that you can be very accurate in deleting the background. If you would do that without a mask, by deleting on the original layer with an eraser, if you make a mistake it is gone and you blew it. With masks you keep the flexibility of going back and forth until your mask is perfect. Then you are left with just the image of the kid and with Photoshop you create on separate layers the perfect background to match ;)
The above is layer masks. You can also do mask in Quick mode but the principle is the same.
Hope this helps.
Sincerely,
A Photoshop Addict
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08/11/2002 03:25:42 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Journey:
Originally posted by rdesai:
[i]Here's one I can't figure out. This one is from Worth100.com contest where you are given an image and you have to do something creative to it with Photoshop. This is the original image. Somebody swapped the two ladys' clothes and got this. How did he do that?
I'll summarize more or less what he did. He copied the original on several layers. Then he did masks of the dresses and hats. Then he "moved" the dress/hat to the other model. He erased whatever was redundant from the original, i.e. where the new dress didn't quite overlap the old dress/hat. The blue dress he probably also stretched somewhat (i.e. scaling) to fit the larger woman. He may also have scaled down the dress to fit the skinnier woman. Then with the cloning stamp and brush he got rid of the old fold and shadows and he created new shadows, i.e. the blue dress, to fit the new settings, i.e. contours of the model and the light falling on her. He may also have had to retouch the immediate background of the two models somewhat to fit their new costumes which he did with cloning and airbrushing.
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If you take a good look at this photo it's actually probably a little simpler than this. I don't think this guy bothered to actually cut the dresses and stuff OFF of the models, but rather just switched and mirrored the entire bodies. This doesn't change the fact that he'd have to mask the bodies and cut them to a new layer, or the fact that he did a pretty good job recreating the areas of the background that weren't actually in the original photo.
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08/11/2002 11:44:23 AM · #11 |
| mike, I think you are right because the hands have been swapped also. So like you said, he probably switched and mirrored their bodies from their necks to their ankles. |
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08/11/2002 02:10:25 PM · #12 |
Some good tutorials can be found @ Webmonkey.............
Also see some helpful photography tips at betterphoto.com.....
Good luck everybody
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08/11/2002 05:01:31 PM · #13 |
| Are PS Elements and PS7 plugins compatable? |
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08/11/2002 06:52:36 PM · #14 |
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I hope this answered your question somewhat. If not, be more specific in your question.
Sincerely,
A Photoshop Addict
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Yes...it has answered some questions concerning layers. Lol...I have never worked with layers, and Photoshop is new to me. Your explanation has given me an overview of the potential. Thanks very much. I appreciate you generously giving so much time to answer.
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08/11/2002 08:22:35 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by David Ey:
Are PS Elements and PS7 plugins compatable?
I havent seen Elements myself yet (I will keep an eye out for it)
but the Abode FAQ states:
Will Adobe Photoshop Elements work with regular Photoshop filter plug-ins?
Photoshop Elements supports all Photoshop plug-ins that were designed to work on RGB images.
If I remember correctly even photoDulux supports photoshop plug-in's.
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08/11/2002 08:30:36 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by rdesai:
Here's one I can't figure out. This one is from Worth100.com contest where you are given an image and you have to do something creative to it with Photoshop. <snip> How did he do that?
a) He copied the two womans body's (neck down) on the new layers and removed (masked?) any background from them.
b) Then they where mirror imaged and move over the other persons body and streched to fit, you can notice the streching in the right womans body.
c) He copied, rottated and cloned sections of the background to hide original body parts. ie. for the wheel of the car I would have copied a 1/4 section of it to a new layer, rotated it, and blended it into the original using the eraser tool.
Thanks, Jorney, for you input.
O.K,
I'm going to write a "how-to" on photoshop layers for DPC entry's ..
ie. it wont cover spot editing... but I *may* reveal some little know techniques that allow you to push the limits of all image, no plug-in editing of photo's.
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08/11/2002 08:38:53 PM · #17 |
I just wanted to say thanks for pointing out this photoshop contest on that worth1000 site. I *love* altering photos (check out my site under "creative" and you can see some of the things i've done) -- so I am totally going to keep checking out this site.
Thanks!
- Jen
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08/11/2002 09:08:46 PM · #18 |
No problem. I'm not too good at altering photos on photoshop but I love looking at all the creative things people do to photos on that site. I wish their website was as good as this one but it's still cool.
Originally posted by Jenguin:
I just wanted to say thanks for pointing out this photoshop contest on that worth1000 site. I *love* altering photos (check out my site under "creative" and you can see some of the things i've done) -- so I am totally going to keep checking out this site.
Thanks!
- Jen
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08/11/2002 10:10:49 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by rdesai:
No problem. I'm not too good at altering photos on photoshop but I love looking at all the creative things people do to photos on that site. I wish their website was as good as this one but it's still cool.
just out of curiosity what aspects don't you like about it? I do the coding there and would love any suggestions to make it better.
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08/11/2002 10:12:49 PM · #20 |
| incidentally - i'll try to convince the artist behind the image that this thread was about to post an explanation here. He's one of the administrators at Worth1000 and has written some tutorials (in the vein of DPC's How'd They Do That?) so I'm sure I can convince him to write another one :) |
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08/11/2002 11:43:59 PM · #21 |
I really like your site, it is a great idea. Suggestion-wise, I think it would be better to navigate if there was one fixed menu like the one on this site instead of having a menu at the top and on the right side. The one on the right side changes from page to page, which hurts navigation. For example, if you wanted to go to the "Hall of Fame" page from "Galleries" page, you would have to go back to the homepage to do so.
On the homepage, it would be better if there were labels to distinguish the new contests from old ones rather than the different title colors. Also, I think the site news would be more seen near the top. This seems like nitpicking so I'll stop here. Thanks for listening. By the way, it would be cool if you had the artist behind the picture reveal his secret. |
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08/12/2002 12:00:42 AM · #22 |
| ok..i have a really dumb question but here goes..i just got photoshop version 7.0..i read about layers in this forum, but can someone show me how to execute this procedure...?? |
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08/12/2002 02:40:29 PM · #23 |
Hey, how come noone answered my question??? was it just to difficult to explain??? I guess i'll just fiddle around with it til i figure it out for myself.
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08/12/2002 04:36:50 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by rdesai:
I really like your site, it is a great idea. Suggestion-wise, I think it would be better to navigate if there was one fixed menu like the one on this site instead of having a menu at the top and on the right side. The one on the right side changes from page to page, which hurts navigation. For example, if you wanted to go to the "Hall of Fame" page from "Galleries" page, you would have to go back to the homepage to do so.
On the homepage, it would be better if there were labels to distinguish the new contests from old ones rather than the different title colors. Also, I think the site news would be more seen near the top. This seems like nitpicking so I'll stop here. Thanks for listening. By the way, it would be cool if you had the artist behind the picture reveal his secret.
nitpicking it isn't in the least. I need your feedback to help make the site great and your ideas are wonderful - i'm going to go ahead with all of them. Anything else you can think of please feel free to message me
Drew was nice enough to share the DPChallenge script with me. How does this look? (just placeholder text now)
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08/12/2002 04:46:27 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by shutterfly:
ok..i have a really dumb question but here goes..i just got photoshop version 7.0..i read about layers in this forum, but can someone show me how to execute this procedure...??
Open the Layers Palette to duplicate or create a new layer. There are two kinds: layers which contain pixels, and ones which contain adjustment information (levels, curves, etc.) Adjustment layers allow you to easily turn an effect on-and-off to check it out, and you can double-click on the layer name to edit the settings.
Layers contaning pixels are especially useful for making corrections (not allowed in these challenges!) by painting or cloning onto the new layer, without destroying the original pixels.
You can also modify the degree to which the layer is applied by adjusting the opacity setting. |
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