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02/18/2003 01:15:45 AM · #1 |
It looks like the yes vote is going to win on this new poll, but I'd like to know what it means! What are these challenges going to be like?
The new print sales feature is exciting to me because I'll finally be able to buy prints of some of the weird, cool, bizarre photos I see on this site. Most of the ones I would want don't come close to winning. I know it's just me... but this poll seems to be encouraging people to make photos that are "saleable" and therefore not the kind of thing I'd like to buy. Ironic, I know. |
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02/18/2003 01:22:37 AM · #2 |
I voted yes on the poll, but I hope this will not be a leading factor in choosing challenge topics. Many of the topics we've had before have been great for producing sellable prints. Just off the top of my head I'd say yellow, blue, light source, negative space, rhythm, and perspective would all be fine topics for creating prints that people would want to buy. So.. I guess I too am curious, what does this poll imply would be changed?
Message edited by author 2003-02-18 01:23:42. |
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02/18/2003 08:38:10 AM · #3 |
| I voted no, mainly because I don't have a clue what the poll topic means. To me it sort of implies that all the other challenges haven't been about producing good quality, sellable images - which seems nonsense. Surely every time you enter you should be trying to produce an excellent image that someone could potentially buy. The only other way to approach it is as free studies I guess. |
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02/18/2003 08:39:43 AM · #4 |
I voted no for exactly the same reason as Gordon.
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02/18/2003 08:54:05 AM · #5 |
Out of curiosity, what exactly is the poll? I assume I can't see it because I'm not a member, and that's fine, I'm just curious.
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02/18/2003 09:00:17 AM · #6 |
Sorry! I didn't realise this was a member poll... if I had I would have posted this in the member forum.
It says "DPChallenge Prints is around the corner... Would you like to have some challenge topics geared towards helping you create sellable prints?" |
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02/18/2003 09:03:06 AM · #7 |
I picked no also for the same reason. Best not blinding approve things that effect oneself or others.
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02/18/2003 09:18:27 AM · #8 |
I picked "no," as I don't think that producing prints for sale is what this site is about. I thought it was about learning. Silly me.
I'll probably put some of mine up to sell, but definitely don't think it should be the focus of the site.
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02/18/2003 09:34:45 AM · #9 |
I guess I read this poll differently than most. I took it to mean that some challenges would be geared toward honing skills that are needed to make images that would sell to specific markets. Very much like the Stock challenge this week. I don't think I was alone in not knowing what stock photos were and that it was a potential market. This challenge has made me aware of an outlet that I may be able to use to cross over from expensive hobby to tax deductible, money generating hobby.
I have no dillusion... I'm keeping the day job :) But I like the idea that SOME of the challenges would show me other potential venues for profit.
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02/18/2003 09:37:11 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
I picked "no," as I don't think that producing prints for sale is what this site is about. I thought it was about learning. Silly me.
I'll probably put some of mine up to sell, but definitely don't think it should be the focus of the site. |
Surely the site is about what it's users want it to be about? Hence the poll to gauge opinion. Not that the results always matter...
Should comments remain anonymous? ; )
btw... Should we really be able to see the DQ polls in the archive? |
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02/18/2003 09:40:30 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
I picked "no," as I don't think that producing prints for sale is what this site is about. I thought it was about learning. Silly me.
I'll probably put some of mine up to sell, but definitely don't think it should be the focus of the site. |
My sentiments exactly!
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02/18/2003 10:10:26 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by muckpond:
I picked "no," as I don't think that producing prints for sale is what this site is about. |
Agree totally! And I´m sure many people will stop shooting their own kind of photos just to make good selling ones.
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02/18/2003 10:24:03 AM · #13 |
Where is everybody getting the idea from that the site is going to change direction? I've re-re-re-read the poll question and I just don't see it!
Aside from that I agree with Gordon - most challenges already give the opportunity to produce sellable prints. |
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02/18/2003 10:56:33 AM · #14 |
Myqyl interpretted the poll the best -- the poll is if you'd like some challenges geared toward producing sellable prints. I really can't think of many challenge topics that would even fall into this category, so you don't have much to worry about if you think that this is a 'change in direction' for the site. One example we were discussing yesterday is something like 'Living Room Wall -- Take a photo you'd want to see hanging on your living room wall.'
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02/18/2003 10:59:31 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Myqyl interpretted the poll the best -- the poll is if you'd like some challenges geared toward producing sellable prints. I really can't think of many challenge topics that would even fall into this category, so you don't have much to worry about if you think that this is a 'change in direction' for the site. One example we were discussing yesterday is something like 'Living Room Wall -- Take a photo you'd want to see hanging on your living room wall.'
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Drew - you hit on the point that I had with this poll - I couldn't really think of any challenge topics that made sense other than basically 'free study' or the existing theme contests. I guess from the
other perspective, we could have challenges like 'create a really bad picture that would never sell' but other than that I don't know what topics we would have that _wouldn't_ be an opportunity to create sellable images? It isn't that I'm against selling prints - seems like a perfectly good idea - but I don't quite get what challenge topics would enhance this idea, beyond what we already do.
Message edited by author 2003-02-18 11:00:11. |
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02/18/2003 11:05:53 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
I don't know what topics we would have that _wouldn't_ be an opportunity to create sellable images? |
This is exactly true. I think with the poll we wanted to see how many people were interested in shooting challenge entries that would be sellable, and if that were a majority, could we put some real effort into trying to think of some good, focused challenges that might promote a 'sellable' print.
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02/18/2003 11:07:19 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Myqyl interpretted the poll the best -- the poll is if you'd like some challenges geared toward producing sellable prints...One example we were discussing yesterday is something like 'Living Room Wall -- Take a photo you'd want to see hanging on your living room wall.'
Drew |
This sounds like the opposite topic; maybe make it "a photo the average (fill in target audience) would hang on their wall."
I don't think you need to make any special effort to pick topics conducive to prints. As Gordon said, those who want to produce saleable images will interpret and shoot challenge entries with that in mind anyway. |
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02/18/2003 11:24:57 AM · #18 |
| Thanks for explaining, Drew :). I was just very puzzled. |
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02/18/2003 11:31:43 AM · #19 |
This site has already produced "saleable prints" as it is. It's already produced "livingroom wall" prints. There've been quite a few I've PM about this very thing. I've offered to pay for a print. Most have been wonderful and said take it, it's yours just for the thrill of thinking someone would like my shot that much. I'm for anything that would help us learn to make better shots, but as for "saleable", I'm proud to say you have already caused this to happen. I think everyone on dpc should be proud of themselves. You guys have worked hard to make a very nice and satisfying site, and have accomplished that. Just wanted you to know that.
PTL
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02/18/2003 11:32:02 AM · #20 |
| Living room wall? How about the bathroom. I think that'd be more fun. You have lots of time to sit and study photos hanging in the bathroom so they ought to be good. |
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02/18/2003 11:35:28 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by indigo997:
Living room wall? How about the bathroom. I think that'd be more fun. You have lots of time to sit and study photos hanging in the bathroom so they ought to be good. |
Heh, several of my earlier pictures are hanging in the bathroom :) |
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02/18/2003 01:00:10 PM · #22 |
When i heard about this poll (which i cant vote on since i'm not a member yet :P) was this: the where's waldo challenge didn't promote many sellable images. Sure the top ones were great, but the average voting on that challenge was way below average. Despair has a better chance of getting sellable image.. maybe.. if people are up to the challenge, and the current member challenge is pretty open.. Now, not to bash on the where's waldo idea, but from the start you're not thinking "man, this is nice, i'm gonna put this on my wall" when you're taking the shot, you're thinking "where can i hide someone".. maybe it's just a shift in the "themes" of the site, but even then, lots of themes we already go through create very nice image.. i'm not quite sure what to think anymore at this point :)
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02/18/2003 01:16:56 PM · #23 |
I didn't vote in the poll cause I have very mixed emotions about it. I am working within the art field and I don't ever submit my best work for the challenges cause I can't copyright the bottom corner of the photos. Also I know that with the right programs a photo can be taken from DPChallenge saved and then printed out with excellent results.
The idea of saleable prints would mean then the site is going to need to change the right click features to stop that ablity. Even if the sale of prints doesn't happen I would like to see that feature added. Then I wouldn't mind submitting my best work without the copyrighted corner. |
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02/18/2003 01:21:53 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
The idea of saleable prints would mean then the site is going to need to change the right click features to stop that ablity. Even if the sale of prints doesn't happen I would like to see that feature added. Then I wouldn't mind submitting my best work without the copyrighted corner. |
Printing an image from the 640 or smaller image on this site would produce pretty bad results. Disabling right click is also not fool-proof by any means. Here's the good news for you, and it's definitely something that needs to be pointed out if it hasn't already been made clear...
The file you submit for your sellable print will not be the exact same one as the file you submitted to the site, if for no other reason than for the fact that you'll need to submit a higher resolution file. Your printable version, though, has no editing restrictions on it. You may add text, borders, spot editing, or any other edits you feel are necessary. In the rare case that you've modified your image so much that it no longer resembles the portfolio/challenge submission, we'll simply ask you to submit that printable file under a new portfolio item. That is, so that when linking between the sites, users aren't surprised to see a completely different image available for print.
That make sense?
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02/18/2003 02:38:09 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by drewmedia:
Printing an image from the 640 or smaller image on this site would produce pretty bad results.
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That all depends on the software and the printer. I can print a photo at 640 x 480 to 8 x 10 with excellent results. Although knowing that the printer has to be set a certain way, the photo printed twice on the paper and certain papers have to be used to make it work. But it is something done very frequently by galleries in viewing photo submission via cd roms. Also the some of the printhouses that make giclee prints use the same techniques in producing the enlarged digital prints that are now starting to appear in the galleries before they do the hand touch ups to each print. |
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