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03/21/2002 09:05:08 PM · #1
Earlier there was a message from someone concerned that, with this sight growing the way it has, it is taking alot longer to judge the challenges. Obviously the sight is continuing to grow (had to find a new host) and week by week there will be more submissions. What if, when and if it becomes necessary, the challenge is the same for everyone, but the voting catagories are divided up by camera type. That way the people with the $3,000 cameras are competing with one another, and the people with the $300 cameras are competing with one another. May even the playing field a bit. Yes, artistic ability has a ton to do with a picture but if your shooting it with the "caddilac" of cameras, you will have a better shot than the guy shooting with the "chevette".

ALLLRIGGHHTTT..... it was just a suggestion, IF there comes a time when there are a ton of people in this thing. Dont get me wrong, I like my camera and i get good shots with it. It just happened to be a way to catagorize people into smaller groups for minimizing the number of entries,if necessary.I thought it would have been a non -bias way to do it. Thats all. I'll leave it up to Drew and the crew.

* This message has been edited by the author on 3/22/2002 11:07:01 PM.
03/21/2002 09:34:35 PM · #2
hmmmm I love chevettes.
03/21/2002 09:36:31 PM · #3
It is not about the camera, but the photographer.

The competition is asking for a picture the size of 640x480. A $300 DC can take a good quality picture for that size.
03/21/2002 09:53:27 PM · #4
Often the most impressive results are created with the most meager of tools. I'd hate to be cut out of the 'high-end' competition just because I'm using a < $1000 camera!

I really believe that artistic ability totally overwhelms any influence that the camera itself has on the end result. Back in college the *hot* technology that everyone swooned over was the cheap-as-hell Fisher-Price PXL-2000 (or Pixelvision) video camera, a kid's toy that recorded low-res black & white video on audio cassette tapes. They weren't being made anymore, and if you were lucky enough to find one it was stunningly overpriced due to it's poularity in the art scene. It had really crappy, grainy, textured video... in other words, it was totally schweet! Work with what you've got!

"Pixelvision is an aberrant art form, underscored by the fact that since the cameras wear out quickly, and are no longer being manufactured, it holds within itself authorized obsolescence. Each time an artist uses a PXL 2000, the whole form edges closer to extinction." (Eric Saks)
03/21/2002 10:38:46 PM · #5
I second that.
03/21/2002 10:46:45 PM · #6
It seems to be the conclusion from past similar converstations that if everyone had the choice of who to compete against (with some regulation), we'd all be quite happy. That sound about right?

All of this is accounted for in our (not-so-distant) future...

Drew
03/22/2002 01:40:19 AM · #7
The key word is 'challenge'. Be challenged to work with what you have. You will be amazed at what you can achieve with very little.
03/22/2002 08:54:07 PM · #8
I agree - personally I want to eek out every little bit of capability my camera (and myself) has and then manipulate it to my liking. The only way to accomplish that is to push and challenge myself - ugh, sort of like getting those tennis shoes on your feet when you don't want to exercise! : )
04/07/2002 11:50:51 AM · #9
since we are judging on a computer monitor, and the shots have been scaled down that evens the playing field quite a lot. If we were judging with 11 x 14 prints that would be different. I think it's pretty fair without going by camera type. (I guess that's easy for me to say, since I use a Canon G1 and it kicks pretty good butt.)

But really in this format that we are looking at to view the submissions a camera that is 2 megapixels or 5 megapixels it shouldn't make that big a difference. Besides, I think most of the judging is on subject matter, composition, lighting etc...than pixel depth. Am I wrong?
04/07/2002 01:00:03 PM · #10
I agree. There are some photos that do stand out due to their sharpness (the "needle in the haystack" comes to mind) but basically I think the pictures are judged according to the overall merit. Pixels are not everything. My camera takes 3.3 megapixel photos but that doesn't guarantee an excellent photo.
04/07/2002 01:51:15 PM · #11
ummmmmmm.........


Am I the only one who doesn't need 20 days to judge 20 photos? *wink*
04/07/2002 02:07:13 PM · #12
Looking back over the last 6 challenges certainly does not indicate that the top end cameras are grabbing all the action-see below award winning cams.

CANON S40 - 2
CANON G2 - 2
OLY C-700UZ – 3
CANON G1 - 1
OLY C-2500 - 1
NIKON 880 – 1
*NIKON D1H - 1
*CANON EOS D30 - 1
*NIKON D1X - 1
NIKON 990 - 1
OLY C2040Z - 1
CANON IXUS 300 - 2
KODAK DC240 - 1

Total 18 awards – only 3 awards won by top-end digi cams – result is self explanatory.

Yes, the challenges are attracting many more entries and at present it takes me about 2 hours to view comment and vote on about 60 submissions. It may be that when we pass the 100 mark things will get more difficult and alteration to the voting rules may have to be the answer.

Vin

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