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08/15/2017 01:19:29 PM · #1
Not sure if I am happy or not but after this I believe I did good buying 5D M4 and not waited for 6D II though might be wrong as this could be one off review.

Canon 6D vs. 6D II: Here’s a High ISO Noise Comparison
08/15/2017 01:34:05 PM · #2
At this point it is certainly looking like this is not a one-off result. FYI, here is the source of the info that Petapixel is referring to.
I too am very glad that I sprung for the 5D MkIV, not only for the outstanding image quality but for the rich 5D feature set, which I had missed in the years I shot exclusively with the original 6D.
08/15/2017 01:45:49 PM · #3
No doubt Canon is following the wrong path. 5DIV is a good camera but has features that other camera had 3 years ago. But if I had Canon I would buy it, no other cameras worth buying. 6DII is the silliest stuff Canon could make.

Message edited by Bear_Music - typo.
08/15/2017 02:02:30 PM · #4
That's breathtakingly bad performance, so much so it makes one wonder if we're being trolled... I'm SO glad to be out of Canon, I am... I'm pretty sure my PHONE CAM can get close to that high-ISO result...

ETA: well, I guess not :-) Since it only goes up to 800. But I swear it looks better at 800 than the 6DII...

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08/15/2017 02:31:21 PM · #5
Originally posted by Alexkc:

No doubt Canon is following the wrong path. 5DVI is a good camera but has features that other camera had 3 years ago. But if I had Canon I would buy it, no other cameras worth buying. 6DII is the silliest stuff Canon could make.


Well, you can't really tell by the sales numbers... just sayin'.

Fact is, users of the 5D IV really don't have a bad thing to say. And yes, I know, it is not a video camera, 'nuf said. As for the 6D MK II, I'm sure that it will sell relatively well as an entry point to FF in the Canon system, and it can and does produce very respectable results. I do agree that the sensor results I'm seeing are pretty underwhelming, and leave me thinking "WTF Canon?" For myself, if I upgraded my current 6D, I would just get another 5D IV.

For my purposes, the Canon system still does all the things I personally want it to do. For a full system, the only competitor is Nikon, and they have their problems as well, including badly botched product launches, poor customer service at their service centers, higher costs for their top lenses (and Canon is bad enough in that regard!) and the physical constraints of the lens mount and flange distance that make it much less flexible than Canon (or mirrorless systems).
08/15/2017 03:04:33 PM · #6
Originally posted by kirbic:

Well, you can't really tell by the sales numbers... just sayin'.


Time Will tell. Without so many good lenses there would be a huge drop in sales. In any case Canon sold less cameras (a drop of 30% of reflex used for videomaker in 2016... 30% is an enormous drop). 6DII will sell very poorly. People read comparisons and features and forums are full of Canon users who complain about the new camera.

Originally posted by kirbic:

Fact is, users of the 5D IV really don't have a bad thing to say. And yes, I know, it is not a video camera, 'nuf said. As for the 6D MK II, I'm sure that it will sell relatively well as an entry point to FF in the Canon system, and it can and does produce very respectable results. I do agree that the sensor results I'm seeing are pretty underwhelming, and leave me thinking "WTF Canon?" For myself, if I upgraded my current 6D, I would just get another 5D IV.


I think users don't have real choices. If you want to change a 5DIII, a camera that performs very badly at DR (only 11 stops) and when opening dark areas, you can only get 5DIV. No doubt it is a good camera but it has no features Sony didn't have 3 years ago with A7RII (except for the double slot). It has 4K but only cropped of 1.84 (unusable). For the rest it improved dramatically DR, probably AF but the rest is the same.

Originally posted by kirbic:

For my purposes, the Canon system still does all the things I personally want it to do. For a full system, the only competitor is Nikon, and they have their problems as well, including badly botched product launches, poor customer service at their service centers, higher costs for their top lenses (and Canon is bad enough in that regard!) and the physical constraints of the lens mount and flange distance that make it much less flexible than Canon (or mirrorless systems).


Nikon prices are more or less the same, even higher sometimes. New 35 1.4 had a price tag of 3000 bucks! But as usual, not selling enough, the dropped it. C300 had a price of 17k when they presented it... but people started being aware of stupid Canon marketing and now it costs 11k.

Points are: 1) Canon is not the state of the art of photo and video technology as it was 6-7 years ago, 2) Canon gives less to its users than other companies, 3) Canon should stop thinking that people would buy in any case their products, because in the Internet era people can understand what they are really buying.
08/15/2017 06:33:28 PM · #7
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Canon should stop thinking that people would buy in any case their products, because in the Internet era people can understand what they are really buying.


Well, I would count myself as one who understands more than the average person the technical aspects of what I am buying. And I chose to buy the 5D IV. And I could not be happier with it. It is a tool, and it serves my needs extremely well, when coupled to exceptional Canon glass and/or third-party glass where appropriate.
The fact is, internet forum teeth-gnashing aside, that when you are the market leader as a system, you don't need to always be the leader in introducing advanced features. You're actually better off being a "fast follower" and letting your competition, to some degree, test the waters with new features.
08/15/2017 06:42:37 PM · #8
Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Canon should stop thinking that people would buy in any case their products, because in the Internet era people can understand what they are really buying.


Well, I would count myself as one who understands more than the average person the technical aspects of what I am buying. And I chose to buy the 5D IV. And I could not be happier with it. It is a tool, and it serves my needs extremely well, when coupled to exceptional Canon glass and/or third-party glass where appropriate.
The fact is, internet forum teeth-gnashing aside, that when you are the market leader as a system, you don't need to always be the leader in introducing advanced features. You're actually better off being a "fast follower" and letting your competition, to some degree, test the waters with new features.


First thing I said was: if I were a Canon user I would buy 5DIV. And no doubt you are much more than an average user. Canon is waiting, but I guess now is waiting too much and it will pay his delay in adding new features because now I'm quite sure they have serious problems with developing new stuff. But time will tell.
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