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08/19/2016 02:14:17 PM · #1
I'm looking with interest at the specs published over at canonrumors.com. I'm thinking that this may be the body that drives me to jump back into the 5D line; after living with the 6D for a few years, I still really like the body, but miss the fuller feature set of the 5D series. Wondering what other DPCers think of the specs on the upcoming Mk IV...
08/19/2016 02:27:15 PM · #2
I think that Canon lives in the past. No interesting new features and centuries behind Sony at the moment (also Nikon is doing much better). No respect at all for the ones who use Canon for videomaking. One famous filmmaker, Philip Bloom, who was a Canon endorser switched to Sony and now says he is very disappointed with 5DMKIV.
08/19/2016 02:37:54 PM · #3
Ditto 'dat. Plus, the dang thing weighs 2 lbs, twice what the Sony does. It feels like Canon's playing in a lower league than Sony, especially, and doesn't even recognize it.
08/19/2016 04:20:58 PM · #4
Well, first and foremost the 5D IV is a stills camera. As far as I can see, the video specs are good, however they are certainly not groundbreaking in any way. 4:2:2 is interesting, though.
No doubt, the Sony sensor performance is top of the heap at the moment, but the difference really is not night and day, and everybody is elevating their game. It will be very interesting to see where the sensor performance comes in on the 5D4, particularly with respect to DR, which is the *only* place where I see that Canon's sensors are really behind the curve.
Not sure where the "no interesting new features" comment comes in... the dual pixel technology could very well be a significant thing; I will withhold judgment until I see the results,though. All in all, it looks to me that as a stills camera, it is extremely well-featured.
With regard to weight, well, yes it is a DSLR, not mirrorless. Is Canon focused enough on mirrorless development? Arguably not. But again,the 5D Mk IV is not intended to be a competitor to mirrorless.
08/19/2016 04:27:17 PM · #5
IMO I don't know anything about the Sony Mirrorless Cameras except they are way out of my price range at this time. I started in 1973 with a Pentax and used it entirely until I bought my first P&S in 2005 which was the Canon G3. I then upgraded to the G6, G9, XTi and I now have the 60D. I think what ever your preference is that's the camera you need. I'm not sure why more pixels are better unless you're printing a Muriel or doing splattershots then cropping to your liking. Never the less, as was told to me"its the person behind the lens that makes either a good or bad photo, not the camera".

08/19/2016 04:42:24 PM · #6
Of course very interesting things for you. I will explain better what I said before: first of all, still camera. No doubt Canon is trying to boost its C videocameras but we can't forget that Canon has been the first to show that videos could be done with reflex cameras. So if you want to minimize video importance in those cameras get completely rid of it. No slowotion, fixed screen, no zebra, no peaking... is like trying to shoot a video with a shovel :)

Dual pixel can be VERY interesting but it looks like it can used only with Canon software so it should minimize its usefulness.

Sensor is the most important thing, of course. So we should wait for real tests. In the last year I worked side by side with a famous landscape photographer, I shot videos, he shot his nature images. But we experienced similar ground when I shot photos for timelapse sequences. I can say that both D600 and D750 sensor is WAY better than 5DIII sensor. When I could recover 3 or 4 stops in the shadows with Canon he was sooooo far from that result with noise available even at low ISO values. My sister too has 5DIII so I used it. Very fast, very ergonomic , reliable but no doubt is following a path that many have already followed before. No new stuff in the last years so everyone was expecting something more exciting from a big company like Canon.
08/19/2016 04:51:53 PM · #7
Originally posted by Cyrilda:

IMO I don't know anything about the Sony Mirrorless Cameras except they are way out of my price range at this time. I started in 1973 with a Pentax and used it entirely until I bought my first P&S in 2005 which was the Canon G3. I then upgraded to the G6, G9, XTi and I now have the 60D. I think what ever your preference is that's the camera you need. I'm not sure why more pixels are better unless you're printing a Muriel or doing splattershots then cropping to your liking. Never the less, as was told to me"its the person behind the lens that makes either a good or bad photo, not the camera".


The equivalent of a 60D can be the A6000, 500 euros, so it is hard to say that Sony is more expensive. The same for top cameras: A7SII and A7RII are sold at 3k euros, 5DIV will probably cost more.

Of course the photographer is what makes the photo (some of my profile page photos are taken with old D80 and D7000) but as a professional, being forced to buy new stuff once in a while, I want to buy state of the art technology.
08/19/2016 10:19:33 PM · #8
FWIW, the 5DS and 5DS-R were already effectively the mk4, so IMO I suspect we'll end up seeing this as the 5DmkV (esp given the cultural tetraphobia around the number 4). As to how far it moves on the from the prior models, that's anyone's guess at this point...
08/24/2016 03:36:42 AM · #9
Originally posted by Alexkc:

I think that Canon lives in the past. No interesting new features and centuries behind Sony at the moment (also Nikon is doing much better). No respect at all for the ones who use Canon for videomaking. One famous filmmaker, Philip Bloom, who was a Canon endorser switched to Sony and now says he is very disappointed with 5DMKIV.


I won't say anything, at this point, since you sre writing with my hands.
08/25/2016 12:32:34 AM · #10
Canon EOS 5D Mark IV First Impressions \

Canon 5D Mark IV Key Specifications

New 30.4MP CMOS full-frame sensor with Dual Pixel AF
DCI 4K 30/24p video using Motion JPEG + 4K Frame Grab
61-point AF system with 41 cross-type sensors (center point sensitive to -3 EV)
Dual Pixel AF (sensitive to -4EV) for continuous Servo AF in stills (first for a full-frame Canon camera) and video
ISO 100-32000 (expandable to 102400)
7 fps continuous shooting
Dual Pixel Raw (image microadjustment, bokeh shift, ghosting reduction)
150,000-pixel RGB+IR metering sensor
1.62M-dot 3.2" full-time touchscreen
Wi-Fi w/ NFC + GPS
Built-in bulb timer interval timers
Improved weather-sealing

Message edited by author 2016-08-25 00:33:06.
08/25/2016 03:59:47 AM · #11
For the ones who only take photos can be a good camera (dual pixel is interesting). Video sucks... 4K with 1.74x crop, no 4K with external recorder, no slowmotion. Less than an A7S first version. Canon in the future...
08/25/2016 08:28:24 AM · #12
Originally posted by Alexkc:

For the ones who only take photos can be a good camera (dual pixel is interesting). Video sucks... 4K with 1.74x crop, no 4K with external recorder, no slowmotion. Less than an A7S first version. Canon in the future...


Yes but it is coming with a price tag, now if I compare the Mark 3 and 4, I see only a few difference like ISO bump to 32000 and dual pixal but beside that I am not a fan of video so to me it looks pricy unless I am missing something. if I need to get I can Mark 3 for say $2K from Canon Refubished. Also having the same price plan for 5dR and 5ds with Mark 4 it doesn't look right to me.
08/25/2016 09:07:08 AM · #13
Originally posted by pgirish007:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

For the ones who only take photos can be a good camera (dual pixel is interesting). Video sucks... 4K with 1.74x crop, no 4K with external recorder, no slowmotion. Less than an A7S first version. Canon in the future...


Yes but it is coming with a price tag, now if I compare the Mark 3 and 4, I see only a few difference like ISO bump to 32000 and dual pixal but beside that I am not a fan of video so to me it looks pricy unless I am missing something. if I need to get I can Mark 3 for say $2K from Canon Refubished. Also having the same price plan for 5dR and 5ds with Mark 4 it doesn't look right to me.


You are adding even more doubts to what I said. Surely not the best camera they could offer to the old and new customers, no doubt about it. And to say more, it seems that dual pixel is no incredibly good as someone thought before. Only super slightly adjustments and no improving of the general sharpness of the images.
08/25/2016 09:21:45 AM · #14
The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.
08/25/2016 09:33:02 AM · #15
Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.


And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)
08/25/2016 11:26:58 AM · #16
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.


And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)


"A wise man can learn more from a foolish question than a fool can learn from a wise answer." Bruce Lee
08/25/2016 11:37:59 AM · #17
Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by pgirish007:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

For the ones who only take photos can be a good camera (dual pixel is interesting). Video sucks... 4K with 1.74x crop, no 4K with external recorder, no slowmotion. Less than an A7S first version. Canon in the future...


Yes but it is coming with a price tag, now if I compare the Mark 3 and 4, I see only a few difference like ISO bump to 32000 and dual pixal but beside that I am not a fan of video so to me it looks pricy unless I am missing something. if I need to get I can Mark 3 for say $2K from Canon Refubished. Also having the same price plan for 5dR and 5ds with Mark 4 it doesn't look right to me.


You are adding even more doubts to what I said. Surely not the best camera they could offer to the old and new customers, no doubt about it. And to say more, it seems that dual pixel is no incredibly good as someone thought before. Only super slightly adjustments and no improving of the general sharpness of the images.


I don't understand why you're so fired up to bash the Canon? If you don't like it, don't shoot with it. I'm not against discussing pros and cons of a device but it seems like you've made it your mission to dissuade anyone that has an interest in it.
Personally, I enjoy dabbling with video but my heart belongs to the still. If I had that kind of disposable cash I would buy Mk4 as I have loved my Mk2.

Message edited by author 2016-08-25 11:40:05.
08/25/2016 11:42:01 AM · #18
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.

And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)

I think it was a serious question, Richard, and I also am interested in what exactly the 5DmkIV has improved that makes it to be perfect for you. I'm not for a moment doubting you, but you're a serious photographer with a LOT of experience with the 5D line, and your answer would be informative :-)
08/25/2016 11:49:10 AM · #19
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.

And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)

I think it was a serious question, Richard, and I also am interested in what exactly the 5DmkIV has improved that makes it to be perfect for you. I'm not for a moment doubting you, but you're a serious photographer with a LOT of experience with the 5D line, and your answer would be informative :-)


I worked a lot with Canon video cameras, they were super 3 or 4 years ago, now it seems that they are making fun of their customers. I am mostly talking about video. No doubt they will sell it a lot, but only because of their amazing lenses. But you are right, it shouldn't be a crusade :)

Eta: it was my answer to Smardaz

Message edited by author 2016-08-25 12:02:50.
08/25/2016 12:33:44 PM · #20
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.

And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)

I think it was a serious question, Richard, and I also am interested in what exactly the 5DmkIV has improved that makes it to be perfect for you. I'm not for a moment doubting you, but you're a serious photographer with a LOT of experience with the 5D line, and your answer would be informative :-)


Sure thing! I have owned the 5D and 5Dmkiii. Great cameras for me. (I skipped the 5Dmkii.) I am so familiar with the controls and capabilities, I can set the dials in the dark. The menus are so rational, I can choose settings quickly and accurately.

Now along comes the next generation 5Dmkiv. It offers some features that make the upgrade a good move for me. Specifically, the 30.4 Mpix is a helpful increase in resolution. The 7 fps shooting speed will assist my wildlife photography. The built-in GPS, Wi-Fi and NFC will be useful. Dual Pixel autofocus is promising, although I don't know much about it, yet. 4K video capture may encourage me to shoot more video., A touchscreen makes a lot of sense. And, improved weather-sealing can only be a good thing.

Previous comments by others with the added ;) were not intended to be taken seriously.

Message edited by author 2016-08-25 12:35:44.
08/25/2016 01:02:40 PM · #21
Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Alexkc:

Originally posted by hahn23:

The 5Dmkiv is aimed at someone like me. I may have a 5Dmkiii for sale.

And someone like you what's expecting from that camera that the previous one doesn't have? ;)

I think it was a serious question, Richard, and I also am interested in what exactly the 5DmkIV has improved that makes it to be perfect for you. I'm not for a moment doubting you, but you're a serious photographer with a LOT of experience with the 5D line, and your answer would be informative :-)


Sure thing! I have owned the 5D and 5Dmkiii. Great cameras for me. (I skipped the 5Dmkii.) I am so familiar with the controls and capabilities, I can set the dials in the dark. The menus are so rational, I can choose settings quickly and accurately.

Now along comes the next generation 5Dmkiv. It offers some features that make the upgrade a good move for me. Specifically, the 30.4 Mpix is a helpful increase in resolution. The 7 fps shooting speed will assist my wildlife photography. The built-in GPS, Wi-Fi and NFC will be useful. Dual Pixel autofocus is promising, although I don't know much about it, yet. 4K video capture may encourage me to shoot more video., A touchscreen makes a lot of sense. And, improved weather-sealing can only be a good thing.

Previous comments by others with the added ;) were not intended to be taken seriously.


;)
08/25/2016 02:58:18 PM · #22
Like Richard, I see a lot to like. From the few reports of actual performance, it seems that the dual-pixel AF in Live View mode is extremely accurate and dependable, able to track a subject throughout the frame reliably. AF down to -3EV (or -4EV in live view mode) is, well, near darkness. AF with lens/teleconverter combinations with f/8 max aperture is a benefit for me (6D is limited to f/5.6). The frame rate of 7 fps is plenty fast for me, I rarely "spray & pray." The built-in intervalometer will be a nice feature, right now I need a separate remote/timer.

In the end, it is still a lot of cash for the upgrade, and while I don't mind spending it, I'm not going to jump in blind. I'm going to look carefully at the sensor performance, specifically DR and noise levels. If I like what I see, I will jump in. I already know I'd love to have 30 MPx with the same image quality I get off the 6D. If DR and noise improve, all the better.
08/25/2016 06:27:24 PM · #23
My new EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L II Lens has been pre-ordered. It may ship as early as September 8, 2016. I'll have it for the autumn aspen colors. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1274706-REG/canon_eos_5d_mark_iv.html
08/26/2016 01:44:06 AM · #24
Originally posted by hahn23:

My new EOS 5D Mark IV DSLR Camera with 24-105mm f/4L II Lens has been pre-ordered. It may ship as early as September 8, 2016. I'll have it for the autumn aspen colors. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1274706-REG/canon_eos_5d_mark_iv.html

Congratulations! Can't wait to see your results. I was kind-of in the same place upgrading to the 80D from the 70D - not a whole bunch in the specs that really motivated me to jump. Canon has done something in its recent models that doesn't show up all that much in the specifications, but is a great improvement in field usage. Touch and feel. Just a bit more functionality where it counts. Hard to pin down, but you can tell the difference. Hope the mkIV is that way for you.
Specifically, on the 80D, the 16000 iso blew me away - plus the lack of graininess (vs. 6400 iso on the 60D); and the quicker and more accurate focusing. Sweet.
08/26/2016 02:29:44 AM · #25
I will wait a while. I shoot with the 5D Mark iii already. I do like the larger number of pixels, and would probably appreciate some of the other enhancements too. However, I tend to wait for a couple of upgrades (or more) before buying a new camera in the same line. That's mostly about my budget, though. If they were giving them away for free, I'd own one. It's not a question of whether the enhancements are worthwhile, so much as a matter of whether they are enough value given the expense. I'm always going to side with my budget.

Heck. I just came in 28th out of 35 in the abstract street challenge. I need to improve with the camera I already own before I get caught up in the next gear upgrade. ;)
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