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06/16/2015 07:54:24 AM · #1
Just thought I'd give a heads up to all you folks rushing to finish Graveyard edits for the DPL. Adobe released CC 2015 this morning and when you install Photoshop CC 2015 you will be presented with a clean slate - none of your filter software carries over. So, if you've got Nik, Topaz, DxO Filmpak, onOne Perfect XYZ, none of them will be there post-install, and your CC 2014 copy is toast so you can't go back and use that.

So, if you're still editing and you use those tools, you're going to be spending time reinstalling and not editing.
06/16/2015 07:56:20 AM · #2
And even if you want to use Nik, the old install file doesn't recognize PS CC 2015 and you can't install it ... at least not yet.

FML.
06/16/2015 07:56:46 AM · #3
How considerate of Adobe ... maybe a mass subscription cancellation will get their attention and a tweak to the install procedure ...
06/16/2015 08:43:27 AM · #4
I'm on hold with them now. At a minimum they need to make CC 2014 available in tandem until they get this mess sorted out.

Thank God I've got CS6 installed or I'd be screwed.
06/16/2015 08:51:22 AM · #5
OK, so apparently I missed the part where Adobe announced that none of this stuff would work. I also missed that you can retain CC 2014 by checking a box during install (which is a PITA through the update manager because this stuff is easy to miss).

All is explained here...

https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/help/creative-cloud-2015-updates.html

...and thankfully I can reinstall CC 2014.
06/16/2015 09:07:23 AM · #6
Originally posted by GeneralE:

How considerate of Adobe ... maybe a mass subscription cancellation will get their attention and a tweak to the install procedure ...


it isn't up to adobe to make sure 3rd party software work properly, thats up to the third party vendors.
06/16/2015 09:39:57 AM · #7
Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

How considerate of Adobe ... maybe a mass subscription cancellation will get their attention and a tweak to the install procedure ...


it isn't up to adobe to make sure 3rd party software work properly, thats up to the third party vendors.


Agreed -- however, if they would communicate better, the 3rd party companies would be able to get updates out with the right timing. Adobe hasn't been very straightforward with people recently. (I guess I'm still pissed at the rental stuff. I bought cs6 and the $10/month came out soon after that. Usually you have software for a couple of years and get cheap upgrades. I would have been paying double. *sigh*)
06/16/2015 09:56:54 AM · #8
Originally posted by vawendy:

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by GeneralE:

How considerate of Adobe ... maybe a mass subscription cancellation will get their attention and a tweak to the install procedure ...


it isn't up to adobe to make sure 3rd party software work properly, thats up to the third party vendors.


Agreed -- however, if they would communicate better, the 3rd party companies would be able to get updates out with the right timing. Adobe hasn't been very straightforward with people recently. (I guess I'm still pissed at the rental stuff. I bought cs6 and the $10/month came out soon after that. Usually you have software for a couple of years and get cheap upgrades. I would have been paying double. *sigh*)


And this is my point. Most plugins are simply a 2-way file transfer, so why they cannot transfer the linkages stored within their own products is ridiculous to me. They are setting a precedent of yearly full upgrades that require new 3rd party installation scripts simply in order to recognize CC 20XX. Vendors then need to juggle just how many versions they want to rerelease or risk users dropping their products because they don't want to upgrade just to be able to install something they've been using successfully for years.

Thank god Google has issued a lifetime free upgrade policy on Nik, I just need them to point me to the latest installation package. The Topaz stuff seems to be install OK, thankfully, as it's 6 months old.

My question is, had Adobe simply perpetually identified the product as "CC" instead of CC 2014, CC 2015, wouldn't it make installation of other products that much easier? It's a single piece of software perpetually updated instead of a new version once a year.
06/16/2015 10:01:55 AM · #9
you dont know what kind of code changes they made. while its sounds great to only issue updates, if there was a major overhaul to the code base its not possible. Remember Adobe it trying to stay of top of Mac and Windows OS updates as well.

Message edited by author 2015-06-16 10:02:31.
06/16/2015 10:15:22 AM · #10
Originally posted by Mike:

you dont know what kind of code changes they made. while its sounds great to only issue updates, if there was a major overhaul to the code base its not possible. Remember Adobe it trying to stay of top of Mac and Windows OS updates as well.


I'm a software guy and I really, really get that. But I'm thinking that with the CC model couldn't they develop a plugin manager that would help with these things? They attempted to transfer "add-ons" that are purchased/downloaded through the CC site, so if I was to register a plugin on CC then couldn't they do that as well? They make themselves a platform for so many other tools that anyone using it extensively needs to keep a freaking journal now just so we can remember everything that needs to be reinstalled after they release a new version. Thank God all the actions transfer since they're kept within the directory structure. I'm not saying they should be responsible for making it all work, but I"m saying that given that they're the hub in so many workflows they could be doing something to make upgrade management less than a fresh hell once a year.
06/16/2015 10:16:40 AM · #11
If I don't do anything, will I be able to continue using CC2014 and my Nik plugins or will my computer automatically start updating and making changes?
06/16/2015 10:30:14 AM · #12
i haven't upgraded yet so im not sure if its a separate install or and upgrade, lightroom has been separate installs. if it was a major code change they should have made it a separate install (if they didnt) so you'd still have the old install for 3rd party plugin

Message edited by author 2015-06-16 10:31:17.
06/16/2015 12:05:27 PM · #13
It's a separate install done through the update manager. If you know to go into "Advanced Options" you can install the latest while also keeping CC 2014. If you fail to do that it is possible to bring CC 2014 back (I have) and it seems to have retained the hooks for all the plugins.

I've spent the morning sorting things out and after downloading the latest install files from Nik and Topaz I was able to install those onto CC 2015. I cannot install Perfect Photo Suite 8.5, and I'm not sure if onOne will issue a new install or not.
06/16/2015 12:18:24 PM · #14
I use CC and just delay the update until I'm ready to do all the nonsense that is associated. I still haven't updated LR since the overhaul and it's all good.

Just delay your update until you are good and ready.
06/16/2015 12:36:03 PM · #15
It's a simple transfer anyway. Your old 2014 folders is still intact, and the Plugins subfolder is in there. Just copy the contents of the Plugins folder to the Plugins folder 0f 2015, fire up photoshop, and they all will be there On One's Perfect Suite in a little different. I just went to their site and downloaded the latest edition and installed it, and it found CC 2015 just fine. So I'm good to go.
06/16/2015 01:03:00 PM · #16
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's a simple transfer anyway. Your old 2014 folders is still intact, and the Plugins subfolder is in there. Just copy the contents of the Plugins folder to the Plugins folder 0f 2015, fire up photoshop, and they all will be there On One's Perfect Suite in a little different. I just went to their site and downloaded the latest edition and installed it, and it found CC 2015 just fine. So I'm good to go.


Glad I read this! Worked perfectly. Thanks Bear!
06/16/2015 01:03:55 PM · #17
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's a simple transfer anyway. Your old 2014 folders is still intact, and the Plugins subfolder is in there. Just copy the contents of the Plugins folder to the Plugins folder 0f 2015, fire up photoshop, and they all will be there On One's Perfect Suite in a little different. I just went to their site and downloaded the latest edition and installed it, and it found CC 2015 just fine. So I'm good to go.


And this is why I'm so confused that it cannot be a function of the install.

As for Perfect Photo Suite, unfortunately I'm not using the latest version of the software, I'm using the prior. It functions as a standalone so I can work around it, but it means saving, opening, saving, opening, copying as a layer...

I use it a lot on landscapes, but I don't want to drop the $$ on the latest when I don't need it.

06/16/2015 01:36:35 PM · #18
I upgraded my Lightroom CC to 2015 and had no problems with the Nik stuff. I lost it on PS when I went to CC 2014 and have never bothered putting it back as I never seem to use it there.
06/16/2015 01:43:35 PM · #19
As Bear said, copying over the Plugins folder works great for the Plugins, but not for onOne which is there under the Panels folder. They changed the interface with 9.5, so I'm guessing that I may be out of luck.
06/16/2015 09:12:52 PM · #20
On my install of 2015, it is definitely not a simple transfer of files. PS CC 2014 is completely gone. The file structure in 2015 is completely different, some folder aren't there at all, in fact MOST are not there! Under Presets, I have Actions & Brushes, NOTHING else is there. Under Plugins, it shows shortcuts to Topaz, but they don't work, and there are NO other plugins showing up. I'm way too tired to fight with it tonight, but it looks like a mess to me.

06/16/2015 09:45:27 PM · #21
I have not updated yet either. Guess I will wait until everything gets straightened out.
06/17/2015 10:02:27 PM · #22
I made the mistake of updating to CC 2015 without waiting to make sure nobody was having problems. Lesson learned. I use NIK and as everybody is stating it does not work in CC 2015. Interestingly, Dfine and Viveza did while the rest of the apps in the NIK suite did not.

Spent two hours on the phone with NIK yesterday. To their credit they were very patient and we went thru many tests on my iMac and nothing worked. Their engineers are looking into some reports I sent them now.

Anyway, as previous posts state, CC 2014 is removed when you update to 2015. So, went back a few days in Time Machine and reinstalled CC 2014. Opened an image in 2014 and the full NIK suite worked flawlessly as before. Then, based on what I read from some posts below, I copied the google folder in the plug in folder from 2014 and pasted it in the plug in folder for 2015 and now the full NIK suite works in CC 2015.

Pain. Hopefully this will work for anybody else having this issue. This was very user unfriendly of Adobe. They should have communicated better. They know millions of people use plug ins, and they are all about to be pissed off.
06/17/2015 10:13:39 PM · #23
Fortunately, I read this thread before I attempted to use PS after the update. Didn't have any problems and avoided becoming frustrated.
06/18/2015 06:14:36 AM · #24
For people with onOne Perfect Photo Suite 8.5, I got a set of instructions from onOne last night. I'm giving it a shot today and will post if they work. They didn't even know if it would and I need to report back to them too.
06/18/2015 09:49:17 AM · #25
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

It's a simple transfer anyway. Your old 2014 folders is still intact, and the Plugins subfolder is in there. Just copy the contents of the Plugins folder to the Plugins folder 0f 2015, fire up photoshop, and they all will be there On One's Perfect Suite in a little different. I just went to their site and downloaded the latest edition and installed it, and it found CC 2015 just fine. So I'm good to go.


So, it's not that they (NIK/Topaz) will never work again with PsCC/Lr...it's as simple as WE have to do the extra step and re-install our plug-ins ourselves? No problem. I just re-installed a few months ago when I got my new computer. And I have my files set up so I can retrieve my licensing keys ... 1 - 2 - 3.

Everyone else was just hoping it would do it automatically for you?
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