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02/10/2014 01:55:56 AM · #1 |
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02/10/2014 02:48:36 AM · #2 |
Wow that is a lot of reading, will read it later.
First thing I noticed about his images are that he very rarely straightens them, or he typically takes them in a tilted position, I like that!! |
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02/10/2014 04:15:25 AM · #3 |
Winogrand was kinda manic, which makes him hard to emulate. But in all that apparent chaos was a kind of studied and finely judged negligence, and in that was (is) some eternal truth about photographs ... what photographs are as objects. I think that he's a great example, maybe the best example, of how great photography is really about the photograph itself, and not about the subject. And certainly not about the photographer, either.
I reckon we have a worthy philosophical colleague of Winogrand's right here at DPC in our own  bvy. I wonder whether Brian himself would agree? |
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02/10/2014 04:24:53 AM · #4 |
Further thought.
Down deep in the OP link are some well known Winogrand quotes. Here's two that always leap out at me:
“Great photography is always on the edge of failure.”
“Every photograph is a battle of form versus content.”
Message edited by author 2014-02-10 04:29:51. |
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02/10/2014 06:42:11 AM · #5 |
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02/10/2014 06:51:18 AM · #6 |
WINOGRAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you tell I like his work? |
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02/10/2014 06:54:28 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Neat:
First thing I noticed about his images are that he very rarely straightens them, or he typically takes them in a tilted position, I like that!! |
He shot and shot and shot (and shot, and shot some more) (and then some more), sometimes barely looking through the viewfinder. His eye was constantly roving for that split second of amazingness, and he reacted almost without thinking. His camera was an extension of his body, and possibly psyche (don't know enough to say on the latter). |
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02/10/2014 07:33:46 AM · #8 |
| So a street photography challenge? I really see nothing different about his photos from anyone else that shoots street. |
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02/10/2014 07:45:27 AM · #9 |
| Perhaps the challenge should be announced, we go shoot for it, but then we don't actually enter for a couple of years? |
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02/10/2014 08:15:53 AM · #10 |
I guess I'm the only one here who saw this challenge, the word "famous" and said WHO??????
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Who?! |
Guess not, LOL
Message edited by author 2014-02-10 08:16:20.
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02/10/2014 08:19:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
I guess I'm the only one here who saw this challenge, the word "famous" and said WHO??????
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Who?! |
Guess not, LOL |
I didn't know either.
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02/10/2014 08:31:00 AM · #12 |
I guess it's shoot a street BW and make it look like 30 or 40 years ago.
Not for nothing but Im not feeling Winogrand.
The only thing cool about it is the era. Fun to see the old cars and clothes but
other than that it just doesn't do it for me. |
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02/10/2014 09:00:09 AM · #13 |
| If only I could find a street not buried in snow. Or, people unencumbered by parkas, boots and storm hats. |
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02/10/2014 09:50:39 AM · #14 |
i'll note that the challenge says only his name, not "in the style of" and furthermore says "inspired by his style"
i'm not sure i'll be entering but i'll read up on him a lot and trying to channel that feeling while shooting...
i personally love these challenges as they give me chances and motives for learning about awesome photographers, and more importantly interpreting their work. :) |
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02/10/2014 09:50:48 AM · #15 |
| i don't know, its great and all and i appreciate the style, but really we are voting on the best street shot in black and white. I could hand out the ribbons now. |
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02/10/2014 11:50:14 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Mike:
...but really we are voting on the best street shot in black and white. I could hand out the ribbons now. |
+1 Not interested in entering any challenge where autoribbons are the rule, not the exception. |
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02/10/2014 12:02:02 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Mike:
...but really we are voting on the best street shot in black and white. I could hand out the ribbons now. |
+1 Not interested in entering any challenge where autoribbons are the rule, not the exception. |
Come on guys... That's the CHALLENGE of it. Besides, Susan, your BO 2013 ribboner feels very Winograndish to me :-) It's what he'd have done if he lived in Montana I betcha... |
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02/10/2014 12:12:35 PM · #18 |
Hey guys -- I beat Christophe once in expert editing -- miracles do happen!!
Seriously, though, I agree with Bear: That's where the challenge lies. Street photography sucks around here, but I'm still looking forward to it. I need to research more, but Winogrand's stuff seems to go a little bit beyond what I've been thinking of as street photography, and I'm intrigued! |
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02/10/2014 12:18:47 PM · #19 |
Winogrand was one of the first, and still one of the best, in this genre. That many others have emulated his work (knowingly or unknowingly) in the age of digital photography does not diminish what he accomplished 50 years ago in the age of film. Different time, different challenges. This is a great subject, and the challenge, imo, is to bring the same sense of observation that he brought to his work in an attempt to find an image that both tells a story and evokes a sense of the time and place in which we all live. Trying to find that serendipitous magic in a week, and to be prepared to snap the shutter at the precise right moment when you do, only makes this challenge all the more difficult.
You can probably tell I like Winogrand, in part because I've spent many hours staring at his images at the SF Museum of Modern Art, which has an extensive collection of his work (and one of the best photography collections of any museum anywhere). (Sadly the museum is shut down for the next two years while the facility is undergoing an extensive expansion.) |
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02/10/2014 12:24:15 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by EstimatedEyes:
This is a great subject, and the challenge, imo, is to bring the same sense of observation that he brought to his work in an attempt to find an image that both tells a story and evokes a sense of the time and place in which we all live. |
So MARVELOUSLY phrased!! That's what I took from the few examples I've seen so far. It's like a peek into people's lives that goes beyond the other street photography. There's definitely a story there. |
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02/10/2014 01:03:11 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Mike:
...but really we are voting on the best street shot in black and white. I could hand out the ribbons now. |
+1 Not interested in entering any challenge where autoribbons are the rule, not the exception. |
It'll be all right because Winogrand himself won't be judging it; just the usual suspects. So those autoribbons will likely still go to the usual suspects as well. |
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02/10/2014 01:11:09 PM · #22 |
There are fifteen ribbon-winning photos on the front page right now, taken by fourteen different photographers.
Message edited by author 2014-02-10 13:11:44. |
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02/10/2014 01:49:56 PM · #23 |
I've asked for this before if only to have a street photography challenge that didn't allow for such a ridiculously broad interpretation (strobe-lit portraits of graffiti artists on the street, for instance). I'm a huge fan of Winogrand, but if you're prepared to treat this as a street photography in black and white challenge with a funny (if not foreign) name, then perhaps you need to get to know Winogrand. Here are a few facts based on my own reading and research:
- He shot wide -- 28mm usually -- and he got close.
- He claimed to take pictures for the sole purpose of seeing what something would like as a photograph (paraphrasing).
- He shot a lot of black and white, but not exclusively. His color work is a rare but enjoyable treat. But take note: Except for the obvious, his color work is no different than his black and white work. The approach is exactly the same.
- He once said anyone could print his work. I think he would have been happy to delegate the task. For that reason, I wish this was minimal editing. If HCB would have loved Photoshop, I'm quite sure GW would not have.
- He did NOT shoot from the hip. The crazy angles and tilts would suggest otherwise, but he was adamant about the importance of framing your shot. Of course he did so in the blink of an eye, but the point is, he did so.
- He would wait a year or more before even developing his film. He insisted on detaching the photograph from the moment or circumstances surrounding its making. (We have a week.)
- He shot prolifically. At the risk of sounding impertinent, one could argue about his work that if you throw enough you-know-what at the wall, eventually something will stick.
- He did very little shooting in the winter (ha!).
Not saying any of this is right or wrong or good or bad in terms of shooting street, it's just what I know about Winogrand.
Good luck. If the usual culprits take the ribbons, it's because the same usual culprits will be doing the voting. Looking around me, I think  nick_hinch and  muur88 (does he still come around?) are most like Garry. And perhaps Deb ( Melethia). I may or may not enter, but I plan to comment heavily (if not 100%).
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02/10/2014 01:54:48 PM · #24 |
| So what your saying is a black and white street shot. :) |
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02/10/2014 01:59:35 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by nygold:
So what your saying is a black and white street shot. :) |
* sigh * |
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