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03/25/2013 08:26:49 AM · #1 |
This is just a results list the table and background stuff is still being worked on but you can, at least, check the results here.
Western
TEAM FIMMTAN ,3.50,
HOCUS FOCUS ,3.50,
NAKED PEDESTRIANS ,3.50,
DEAD PIXEL SOCIETY ,3.50,
LIGHTBENDERS ,0.50,
Triskaidekaphobia ,0.50,
SHOOT HAPPENS ,0.00,
DOMIN 8 ,0.00,
Eastern
THE FLASHERS ,3.00,
FOTONUTS ,3.00,
ELYSIUM ,3.00,
VUJA DE ,2.00,
DODGE & THE BURNOUTS ,2.00,
ABSTRAKT ,0.50,
LUCKY SEVENS ,0.50,
TEN'S 6 ,0.00,
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03/25/2013 08:28:55 AM · #2 |
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03/25/2013 08:43:46 AM · #3 |
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03/25/2013 09:09:39 AM · #4 |
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03/25/2013 10:19:50 AM · #5 |
| MAK - can you please post the scoring system/rules. I'm totally confused. |
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03/25/2013 10:53:08 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by Ja-9:
MAK - can you please post the scoring system/rules. I'm totally confused. |
There is a detailed explanation here |
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03/25/2013 11:05:54 AM · #7 |
Team scores will be determined by the 4 best scores by team members that week. A team member may only contribute one score per week.
The winning teams get 3 pts per matchup, and the losing team gets 0 pts. In the unlikely event of a tie (team averages identical in a weekly matchup) each team will receive 1 pt that week.
A team whose 6 members all make entries in a given week will receive a 0.5 pt bonus for that week win or lose.
If fewer than 4 team members contribute an entry in a given week, the team will receive 0 pts towards its average for each player fewer than 4 to compete. |
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03/25/2013 11:09:11 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Team scores will be determined by the 4 best scores by team members that week. A team member may only contribute one score per week.
The winning teams get 3 pts per matchup, and the losing team gets 0 pts. In the unlikely event of a tie (team averages identical in a weekly matchup) each team will receive 1 pt that week.
A team whose 6 members all make entries in a given week will receive a 0.5 pt bonus for that week win or lose.
If fewer than 4 team members contribute an entry in a given week, the team will receive 0 pts towards its average for each player fewer than 4 to compete. |
Yes, but those 'scores' are not the scores you receive in the challenge. They are 'scores' based on percentage placement when matched against the team you're playing against. |
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03/25/2013 11:14:36 AM · #9 |
| Exactly, as I stated in the first post, This is just the results list. |
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03/25/2013 12:37:15 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by pamb:
Originally posted by cynthiann:
Team scores will be determined by the 4 best scores by team members that week. A team member may only contribute one score per week.
The winning teams get 3 pts per matchup, and the losing team gets 0 pts. In the unlikely event of a tie (team averages identical in a weekly matchup) each team will receive 1 pt that week.
A team whose 6 members all make entries in a given week will receive a 0.5 pt bonus for that week win or lose.
If fewer than 4 team members contribute an entry in a given week, the team will receive 0 pts towards its average for each player fewer than 4 to compete. |
Yes, but those 'scores' are not the scores you receive in the challenge. They are 'scores' based on percentage placement when matched against the team you're playing against. |
Also the top for scores (aka percentages) are not just summed together and compared with the opposing team. They do a player to player comparison with each score. The winners of each pair create some sort of intermediate score that then gets summed up to compare the two teams. After that I get a little lost and an eventual team score pops out from somewhere.
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03/25/2013 04:07:12 PM · #11 |
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03/26/2013 08:36:42 AM · #12 |
Note: Please notify us if you change username.
Results recalculated:
Western
TEAM FIMMTAN ,3.50,
HOCUS FOCUS ,3.50,
NAKED PEDESTRIANS ,3.50,
DEAD PIXEL SOCIETY ,3.50,
LIGHTBENDERS ,0.50,
Triskaidekaphobia ,0.50,
SHOOT HAPPENS ,0.00,
DOMIN 8 ,0.00,
Eastern
FOTONUTS ,3.50,
THE FLASHERS ,3.00,
ELYSIUM ,3.00,
VUJA DE ,2.00,
DODGE & THE BURNOUTS ,2.00,
ABSTRAKT ,0.50,
LUCKY SEVENS ,0.50,
TEN'S 6 ,0.00,
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03/26/2013 09:08:54 AM · #13 |
| So 3 was the highest score with .5 for participating? |
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03/26/2013 09:23:00 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
So 3 was the highest score with .5 for participating? |
3 for a win .5 full participation. 1.5 for a draw. 0 for loosing
Message edited by author 2013-03-26 09:23:41. |
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03/26/2013 09:39:02 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
So 3 was the highest score with .5 for participating? |
3 for a win .5 full participation. 1.5 for a draw. 0 for loosing |
Doesn't  bohemka get extra points for just looking so damn good?
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03/26/2013 10:10:39 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Originally posted by MAK:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
So 3 was the highest score with .5 for participating? |
3 for a win .5 full participation. 1.5 for a draw. 0 for loosing |
Doesn't bohemka get extra points for just looking so damn good? |
Naw -- if that were the case, I would have had so many points by now...
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03/26/2013 10:15:27 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Epsi:
Note: Please notify us if you change username.
Results recalculated:
Western
TEAM FIMMTAN ,3.50,
HOCUS FOCUS ,3.50,
NAKED PEDESTRIANS ,3.50,
DEAD PIXEL SOCIETY ,3.50,
LIGHTBENDERS ,0.50,
Triskaidekaphobia ,0.50,
SHOOT HAPPENS ,0.00,
DOMIN 8 ,0.00, |
TRISKAIDEKAPHOBIA officially protests being the only team NOT in CAPS on this list! |
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03/26/2013 10:36:04 AM · #18 |
| If Cory or whoever is in charge of getting the scoring programing to sync with DPC is still having trouble, it occurred to me that one stopgap measure would be to have the team captains report their team result (scoring both themselves and the opposing team) and send that in. If the two sets agreed, you could go with that. That way the only ones that would have to be double checked would be any where there was a disagreement - and even there you could let the two captains know to see whether they couldn't spot the problem. Just an idea to buy more time if you need it. |
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03/26/2013 10:47:19 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Epsi:
Note: Please notify us if you change username.
Results recalculated:
Western
TEAM FIMMTAN ,3.50,
HOCUS FOCUS ,3.50,
NAKED PEDESTRIANS ,3.50,
DEAD PIXEL SOCIETY ,3.50,
LIGHTBENDERS ,0.50,
Triskaidekaphobia ,0.50,
SHOOT HAPPENS ,0.00,
DOMIN 8 ,0.00, |
TRISKAIDEKAPHOBIA officially protests being the only team NOT in CAPS on this list! |
Such a prosaic feature is not worth of the greatness of Triskaidekaphobia team, it stands away of the other teams next to the Olympians gods. Nobody dears to challenge them, we mere mortals just observe with immense awe their unnatural strengths and achievements.
Either that or I just forgot to press capslock. |
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03/26/2013 10:50:00 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by nam:
If Cory or whoever is in charge of getting the scoring programing to sync with DPC is still having trouble, it occurred to me that one stopgap measure would be to have the team captains report their team result (scoring both themselves and the opposing team) and send that in. If the two sets agreed, you could go with that. That way the only ones that would have to be double checked would be any where there was a disagreement - and even there you could let the two captains know to see whether they couldn't spot the problem. Just an idea to buy more time if you need it. |
This is great vision and would be very helpful indeed, Thank You |
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03/26/2013 11:01:55 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by nam:
If Cory or whoever is in charge of getting the scoring programing to sync with DPC is still having trouble, it occurred to me that one stopgap measure would be to have the team captains report their team result (scoring both themselves and the opposing team) and send that in. If the two sets agreed, you could go with that. That way the only ones that would have to be double checked would be any where there was a disagreement - and even there you could let the two captains know to see whether they couldn't spot the problem. Just an idea to buy more time if you need it. |
Captains are welcome to calculate the results of their team. If there is any need of support just send me a PM and I can try to clarify the scoring system wherever confusion might lie.
The code that extract the info from the site and calculates the results is done and working, as in any code there should be some bug that I haven't found. If the teams calculate their score and differs from the code I can see where the problem is coming from.
The current issue is related to present this results in full detail in a properly (nice/human friendly) formatted form, that is automatized.
The scoring code is autonomous so one is set to run at the beginning of each season it goes on its own without human intervention except to change players and the challenges for each week. This makes it extremely easy to have successive Leagues with no real hassle to the human element. Ideally we would like to have a similar code that post the results into the threads but that is still to be defined if it is feasible.
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03/26/2013 11:10:45 AM · #22 |
I have a question... why have you implemented the 'within 5%' differential? I would have thought that whichever person won the individual match up on highest percentile, well, won. I have not calculated results for all teams, but it would seem that there would more often than not be an even split (1.5 & 1.5) of points in the higher ranking % results. eta: which doesn't seem *fair*
*not a math person, not a math person, not a math person...
Message edited by author 2013-03-26 11:11:33. |
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03/26/2013 11:53:29 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by pamb:
I have a question... why have you implemented the 'within 5%' differential? I would have thought that whichever person won the individual match up on highest percentile, well, won. I have not calculated results for all teams, but it would seem that there would more often than not be an even split (1.5 & 1.5) of points in the higher ranking % results. eta: which doesn't seem *fair*
*not a math person, not a math person, not a math person... |
This is one of the points that is open to change in future editions. It is meant to take into account small fluctuations between challenges.
I think the best example for it is the recent portrait challenges: The the red in minimal is 98% while the red in advance has 99%, so in a hypothetical match it would have been a tie. With no tie option, sjhuls would have won the match. Why should one red be more valid than the other?.
Similarly, in minimal portrait the blue and red have almost the same score yet they have a percentile difference of 2%.
I choose 5% because with an average participation of ~60 entries means that images that are placed a couple positions above or below will tie. Is it the best way to account for the fluctuations? Certainly not, just the simplest we were able to come out with within the available time. I would like to have something better but it will likely require to be related to the actual votes distribution rather than average vote. This data is rather more annoying to retrieve from the site and would take some research to defined an adequate measure to compare the distributions. But, the useful things about the current coding is that we can progress towards this ideal. If the League turns out to be successful and it is run periodically, we can improve the scoring system edition by edition.
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03/26/2013 12:09:12 PM · #24 |
Thank you for your response Max. I understand your reasoning yet feel that a smaller % differential would be more appropriate (even) for the current league. I still feel that 5% over 100% is a large range to be considered equal.
By the way - thank you and the crew for setting it up. As for the league, run it the way you want to/can; after all, you guys are the ones putting in the hard work, we've just come to play in your sandpit for a while :) |
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03/26/2013 12:19:08 PM · #25 |
We are ALL winners here.
;-)
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