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04/08/2010 02:33:20 PM · #251 |
| If the DPL rulebook is going to take on the girth of the IRS tax code, I would just like the summary of loopholes, thank you. :-) |
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04/08/2010 02:35:04 PM · #252 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm pretty sure that the scoring system is already set up and Langdon doesn't have any intention on changing it. After all, the challenges start next week. |
So much for encouraging participation. |
LOL I'm just saying what's on my mind. I don't mean to sound mean but it seems like everyone is arguing over something that doesn't need to be argued over.
We wanted the DPL to come back and now that it has the only thing we can do is disagree on how the scoring system should be. The problem is everyone has their own way to try to make it fair but when you boil it all down the only you are left with is the better person/team will win.
I personally don't care if the top 4 are averaged or if all 10 are averaged, as long as I can compete against the best photographers on the site and try to beat them I'm having a good time.
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04/08/2010 02:37:57 PM · #253 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
If the DPL rulebook is going to take on the girth of the IRS tax code, I would just like the summary of loopholes, thank you. :-) |
you're team can only have a max of 4 dependents. there is no Child entry credit and you MUST turn in your tax entry forms every week or you will be penalized and fined.
Any other loopholes will be removed or changed without any knowledge or explanation.
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04/08/2010 02:51:18 PM · #254 |
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm pretty sure that the scoring system is already set up and Langdon doesn't have any intention on changing it. After all, the challenges start next week. |
Actually there's a bit of development that I still need to do and lots of tests that I need to run. Nothing at this point is set in stone.
We talked briefly about upping the number of entries that would be included in the average each week from 4 to either 5 or 6, but never settled on anything. I'm leaning towards 5 at this point only because 6/7 seems rough. |
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04/08/2010 02:52:04 PM · #255 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
I think we are going to find that in a large # of weeks the same 4 members' entries will count on most teams week in and week out. This makes the other 6 feel like they are less on the team and also makes it easier to "stack" a team (a la Ribbon Hogs).
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Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm pretty sure that the scoring system is already set up and Langdon doesn't have any intention on changing it. After all, the challenges start next week. |
Originally posted by vawendy:
......, but you could make the teams pick which 4 shots will be competing for the first challenge of the week, and for the second challenge you have to pick a different 4. |
If  Dirt_Diver is right, the only way to address DrAchoo's point would be some team internal handling similar to what Wendy proposes...but I am afraid participation is sometimes opposed to results, and in the middle of a competition results will prevail. On the other hand, I wonder how many members would have decided NOT to join a team if they knew they have to submit every week or a in a given week, probably many, so let's differentiate and bear in mind what participation means for some mates.
Edited to say I had not seen  Langdon's last post..so Dirt_Diver was not right, and top 5 is still possible :-)
Message edited by author 2010-04-08 14:57:22. |
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04/08/2010 02:53:23 PM · #256 |
Originally posted by langdon:
Originally posted by Dirt_Diver:
I'm pretty sure that the scoring system is already set up and Langdon doesn't have any intention on changing it. After all, the challenges start next week. |
Actually there's a bit of development that I still need to do and lots of tests that I need to run. Nothing at this point is set in stone.
We talked briefly about upping the number of entries that would be included in the average each week from 4 to either 5 or 6, but never settled on anything. I'm leaning towards 5 at this point only because 6/7 seems rough. |
WHAT!!! Are you kidding me?
::Shaking head:: I expected more from you L...
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04/08/2010 02:54:06 PM · #257 |
Originally posted by langdon:
I'm leaning towards 5 at this point only because 6/7 seems rough. |
Ooh! Ooh! Mr. Langdon! Ooh! I think that's a good idea. |
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04/08/2010 02:54:15 PM · #258 |
Originally posted by langdon:
... I'm leaning towards 5 at this point only because 6/7 seems rough. |
5 sounds good to me. :-) |
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04/08/2010 02:55:46 PM · #259 |
| ... or how about averaging 6 for teams of 10, 5 for teams of 8 or 9, and 4 for teams of 7? Just to make things easier for everyone! Haha. |
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04/08/2010 03:06:25 PM · #260 |
We take this break in the regularly scheduled scoring discussion to ask a dim question:
I am not a member but hope to become one (I don't have a credit or debit card; am living off the grid and power this laptop with a bicycle). So until I figure out a payment option, will I be able to collaborate with my teammates? I'm guessing there can be some sharing of images on the private threads, but as I'm not allowed to upload anything other than to the exclusive open challenges, will this pose a problem? Also, the challenges for DPL will only be exclusive open challenges? Or is a membership required? |
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04/08/2010 03:11:20 PM · #261 |
I think that the top 5 scores is a good middle of the road choice.
Originally posted by vawendy:
but you could make the teams pick which 4 shots will be competing for the first challenge of the week, and for the second challenge you have to pick a different 4. |
I definitely don't like this idea. There are a couple of problems that I see here.
1. Having the team choose the shots eliminates the possibility of a last minute entry (which a lot of people do) because the team has to evaluate all of the choices before voting starts.
2. There will definitely be bickering and bitterness over what choices are made.
3. Team members will only have the chance to participate in every other challenge, sort of like a relay race.
Even if its only the top 4 shots that are counted, I'm sure that participants will be working hard to be in the top 4. DPL aside, people still like ribbons and I believe that team members will keep trying to to their best to contribute to their teams success as well as their own. |
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04/08/2010 03:12:58 PM · #262 |
Originally posted by citymars:
Originally posted by langdon:
I'm leaning towards 5 at this point only because 6/7 seems rough. |
Ooh! Ooh! Mr. Langdon! Ooh! I think that's a good idea. |
horshack? |
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04/08/2010 03:13:22 PM · #263 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
We take this break in the regularly scheduled scoring discussion to ask a dim question:
I am not a member but hope to become one (I don't have a credit or debit card; am living off the grid and power this laptop with a bicycle). So until I figure out a payment option, will I be able to collaborate with my teammates? I'm guessing there can be some sharing of images on the private threads, but as I'm not allowed to upload anything other than to the exclusive open challenges, will this pose a problem? Also, the challenges for DPL will only be exclusive open challenges? Or is a membership required? |
How about grabbing some cash and riding your bicycle to H2's or IreneM's house in Germany. I am positive either of them will be glad to send the payment for you. You could keep us posted on your way *from your laptop*. |
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04/08/2010 03:19:08 PM · #264 |
Originally posted by nutzito:
How about grabbing some cash and riding your bicycle to H2's or IreneM's house in Germany. I am positive either of them will be glad to send the payment for you. You could keep us posted on your way *from your laptop*. |
A good suggestion. H2 seems to be a few hours north of me and not sure about IreneM. Would be great to meet them, but for now I think it would be easier to ask a colleague to help out. Just wanted to gauge the urgency.
Message edited by author 2010-04-08 15:19:26. |
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04/08/2010 03:24:33 PM · #265 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
We take this break in the regularly scheduled scoring discussion to ask a dim question:
I am not a member but hope to become one (I don't have a credit or debit card; am living off the grid and power this laptop with a bicycle). So until I figure out a payment option, will I be able to collaborate with my teammates? I'm guessing there can be some sharing of images on the private threads, but as I'm not allowed to upload anything other than to the exclusive open challenges, will this pose a problem? Also, the challenges for DPL will only be exclusive open challenges? Or is a membership required? |
Here in the states we can "preload" a debit card with cash and then use it as a credit card. I would think that you would be able to do that over in Germany also.
On another note...I look forward to the day that I choose to spend $2700 for a D700 like yours. Your post makes me wonder if that day might come sooner if I, too, get off the grid and use bicycle power. Hmmmm, I wonder.....
Oh yeah: ;) |
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04/08/2010 03:27:06 PM · #266 |
Twas a gift. And I've got the money, it just doesn't transfer on the internetz.
But it's not about me. Back to DPL 2. |
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04/08/2010 03:36:55 PM · #267 |
| how does DPL work, how do i do it, what is it....blah blah blah please help, wanna participate but have no idea what to do |
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04/08/2010 03:41:38 PM · #268 |
hojop25, I'd follow Langdon's advice:
Originally posted by langdon:
Originally posted by neophyte:
I'd like to participate. How do I get on the list of Free agents? |
You can head to the Free Agent Registration page, but you will likely fair better at this point by creating your own team and inviting users from the free agent pool. You can even invite some users, collectively come up with a name, and change it before the season goes live. |
Message edited by author 2010-04-08 15:42:08. |
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04/08/2010 03:42:03 PM · #269 |
You just enter challenges as usual during the DPL, but do your best to enter at least one a week. High scorers from each team average their top score for the week.
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04/08/2010 03:43:53 PM · #270 |
Originally posted by citymars:
You just enter challenges as usual during the DPL, but do your best to enter at least one a week. High scorers from each team average their top score for the week. |
ahh, well i'll fail my team most likely
Message edited by author 2010-04-08 15:44:13. |
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04/08/2010 03:52:17 PM · #271 |
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04/08/2010 03:54:56 PM · #272 |
Originally posted by hojop25:
Originally posted by citymars:
You just enter challenges as usual during the DPL, but do your best to enter at least one a week. High scorers from each team average their top score for the week. |
ahh, well i'll fail my team most likely |
Your team should talk and help each other produce better images. Don't look at it like you will fail them, look at it like a free photography class.
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04/08/2010 03:56:43 PM · #273 |
Originally posted by hojop25:
ahh, well i'll fail my team most likely |
Not so. Roughly half the team's scores will count each week. Let's assume it's 5, and you're on a 10-player team. You just keep entering, and do about as well as you always have, and have the occasional nice score, and you are contributing, even if in the end none of your scores end up counting.
Why/how? There's several reasons/ways. For one thing, if the team doesn't HAVE 5 different people entering in a given week, then there will be a zero averaged in; by participating every week, or nearly every week, you provide a backstop that negates the chance of zeros. Beyond that, there's the whole "private thread" thing, where your team will have a private forum thread where they offer feedback on each other's entries, and your feedback is going to be VERY useful to your teammates.
Don't make the mistake of thinking "I'm not very good, so my opinion doesn't matter!" On the contrary, your opinion matters a lot, because scoring in DPC challenges is NOT done by the most experienced, most successful, most "artistic", most anything-you-want-to-name members, it's done by people just like you :-) One of the surest ways for a team to shoot itself in the foot is to kowtow to the artistic/stylistic preferences of it's "strongest" members. I know for a fact I do better when I have someone to rein me in, someone to offer a reality check, 'cuz I fall in love with my own images and can't judge them the way the voters, as a group, will.
R.
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04/08/2010 04:09:53 PM · #274 |
Was there any discussion about the number of teams needing to be a multiple of 24? Now that there are 33 confirmed, and 39 created, it seems like a good bet that we're going to fall between the 24 and 48 mark, and I have to tell you, after the debacle that we just witnessed regarding suspensions and voting patterns, if DPC drops 9 - 23 teams in order to make a multiple of 24 work, I don't even want to IMAGINE the backlash.
So, has there been talk about this so I can stop worrying, and preparing my diatribe? |
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04/08/2010 04:16:14 PM · #275 |
K10DGuy - fyi instead of digging for this...
Originally posted by langdon:
As was mentioned in the announcement, the scheduled may simply be adjusted. Considering the number of teams we have now, what would likely happen is that we'll go from 4 conferences down to only 2 conferences, allowing for a factor of 12. This will allow us to be able to use 36 teams.
I'm about to send out an announcement to any user that's not involved in the current season and has also submitted an entry in the past 5 years. Hopefully that can drum up some further excitement and squeeze out some extra teams.
Current teams of 10 could decide to split themselves up and add two additional users each from the Free Agent Pool, but I can see how that is not ideal or all that much fun.
ETA: There are lots of tweaks we can make... the first season was designed for different adjustments. We could go from 6 teams per division to 5, changing the factor from the previously mentioned 12 to 10, allowing for 40 teams. This would shorten the season though. If we went from 6 to 7 with 3 divisions, we could handle 42, etc. |
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