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 11/18/2009 04:18:30 PM · #51
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Is that helpful?

Originally posted by david_c:
Oooh! Oooh! Do mine, now!!


Originally posted by soup:
yeah DO MINE too !


If you guys are serious, I'll do both these when I get home tonite......8>)
 11/18/2009 04:30:44 PM · #52
Originally posted by Photologist:


What you are telling me is that you are not voting what you think the image deserves. Any attempt to manipulate the results (e.g. "...would actually drag down a 5.1 score") is a blantant attempt to augment the results. If you think an image is average (5), then why wouldn't you want the 5.1 to drop to a 5.0? The resulting 5.0 would be what you think is deserving of that image--you just said so. It seems you are trying to offset the possibility of someone voting below the average (4).


For your information, a 5.0 in the DPC voting system is actually BELOW average. 5.5 it the average of 1 to 10.
 11/18/2009 04:38:08 PM · #53
All could be remedied if we had a "0" button!
 11/18/2009 04:43:58 PM · #54
I think that showing the average score given causes some people to inflate the scores they give to be received well in the community. Like using a 5-10 score pattern only, instead of spreading it out fully. The further breakdown that is suggested would show this.

Another problem:

At this moment my average is 5.48, but at 79.000 votes given it is not really a good reflectant of my votes at this moment. Because the last challenges that I scored (it relaxes me in this stressful time), the average was 4.7/4.8 for almost all challenges. And that is really because compared to before I feel that a lot of awful crap is produced (and I do my best to produce some crap too). But at 5.48 I still look like a good neutral guy right. After the next 79.000 votes my average will have dropped to 5.1 or so with this pattern. Basically it tells absolutely nothing about me. So it might be better to reset it every 6 months or so.

11/18/2009 04:46:19 PM · #55
And in the same light my average received after 35000 votes received will not move much either and shows absolutely nothing about my "progress" or downfall.
 11/18/2009 05:04:52 PM · #56
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I think that showing the average score given causes some people to inflate the scores they give to be received well in the community. Like using a 5-10 score pattern only, instead of spreading it out fully.

BINGO! That is exactly what I do.

I don't want my Average Vote Cast metric to be low, so that is why I only vote 5 or higher (mostly 6 or higher). I started doing this a year or so ago. If I see an image that is "below average" (5), I simply skip it (usually) and only vote on those that are 6 or higher. That keeps my average up. My average vote that I have given out (as of today) is around 5.4. It used to be much lower!


11/18/2009 05:23:45 PM · #57
I can't tell if thats tongue in cheek or not.
 11/18/2009 05:43:31 PM · #58
it's sarcasm in a fine way.


11/18/2009 05:58:32 PM · #59
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
If you guys are serious, I'll do both these when I get home tonite......8>)

Can't speak for the soupmeister, but yeah...it's sort of like a horoscope, or a few minutes on the psychoanalysts couch. Go for it!!
 11/18/2009 07:14:24 PM · #60
Originally posted by Azrifel:
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I wouldn't mind seeing two sets of numbers on the user profile page with lifetime average and the last 6 months (or 3 months even). This would be fun for both average vote given and average vote received.

ETA - It may get too cluttered with any more additions to the profile page however. Sorry, just thinking out loud here. :-)

Message edited by author 2009-11-18 19:15:23.
 11/18/2009 07:17:00 PM · #61
you're trickier than me... :)

Originally posted by david_c:
Can't speak for the soupmeister, but yeah...it's sort of like a horoscope, or a few minutes on the psychoanalysts couch. Go for it!!

 11/18/2009 07:33:12 PM · #62
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
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I wouldn't mind seeing two sets of numbers on the user profile page with lifetime average and the last 6 months (or 3 months even). This would be fun for both average vote given and average vote received.

ETA - It may get too cluttered with any more additions to the profile page however. Sorry, just thinking out loud here. :-)


Great idea!
 11/18/2009 07:39:53 PM · #63
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Is that helpful?

Originally posted by david_c:
Oooh! Oooh! Do mine, now!!


Originally posted by soup:
yeah DO MINE too !


If you guys are serious, I'll do both these when I get home tonite......8>)


it's fun reading them! NikonJeb - The Mentalist :D
 11/18/2009 07:39:55 PM · #64
Wow it appears that every one enjoys their stats. Personally I don't really look at the averages too much, if I look at a profile I first notice if they have any awards and look over the highest rated pics.

I don't see any reason to hide the averages as with most people on this site all you will find out is that they are average! Although if we start getting voter rage that is a different matter.
 11/18/2009 07:50:56 PM · #65
The problem with averages is that they are meaningless by itself. At high N, an individual contributes minimally to the overall mean and only serves to help fit a known distribution. A moving average removes the reliance on a fit distribution and better indicates the momentary trend of voting.

I know that I vote much differently now than I did before and I receive much better scores now than I did then.

I often look at how I voted at the end of a challenge. I also look at my score distribution to see where my votes have been placed, merely for amusement if anything. As far as my overall statistics, they don't mean anything to me. But, I do look at what I have received over time (as do many here).
 11/18/2009 07:53:49 PM · #66
D'oh, D'Oh, D'...I mean whoo hoo...that means my Spirit entry is above average! Er...barely.

Here is a stat for you [actual score] - [anticipated score]

Oy vey!

Originally posted by bassbone:

For your information, a 5.0 in the DPC voting system is actually BELOW average. 5.5 it the average of 1 to 10.
11/18/2009 08:07:26 PM · #67
I vote to get rid of the average vote cast stat. It only leads to derailments of threads and finger pointing. If you have a low vote cast your your opinion is means less as you are seen as a troll, and then there are 15 posts while someone is either attacked or discredited for their voting habits and their subsequent post to defend themselves, someone brings out a dead horse gif and the original intent is lost. Repeat 10 times a week.
 11/18/2009 08:22:52 PM · #68
Originally posted by PennyStreet:


Okay tell me, in plain terms, how these stats are perceived.
I vote lots of 7s and 8s, but I also give out 4s and some 3s (but only if it appears there was no effort put into the shot at all) - in the end, it evidently all averages out. To read here that people would judge me by what I vote? I'm curious.
I have six days left to decide whether to renew my membership for a second year.


Thanks to everyone for your responses. I will take all this to heart and move forward with my decision.
 11/18/2009 08:35:30 PM · #69
Originally posted by jdannels:
I vote to get rid of the average vote cast stat. It only leads to derailments of threads and finger pointing. If you have a low vote cast your your opinion is means less as you are seen as a troll, and then there are 15 posts while someone is either attacked or discredited for their voting habits and their subsequent post to defend themselves, someone brings out a dead horse gif and the original intent is lost. Repeat 10 times a week.


I have a better idea. Whenever a person brings up someone's average vote cast as a negative that user's account automatically gets cancelled and their browser redirects them to the llama song video.
11/18/2009 08:41:23 PM · #70
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Thanks to everyone for your responses. I will take all this to heart and move forward with my decision.

I'm not quite sure why your voting average and how it compares to what others think should affect your decision to renew or not. I think the real question is: are you getting what you want out of DPChallenge?
 11/18/2009 09:51:35 PM · #71
Originally posted by jdannels:
I vote to get rid of the average vote cast stat. It only leads to derailments of threads and finger pointing. If you have a low vote cast your your opinion is means less as you are seen as a troll, and then there are 15 posts while someone is either attacked or discredited for their voting habits and their subsequent post to defend themselves, someone brings out a dead horse gif and the original intent is lost. Repeat 10 times a week.

Have you really seen this much recently? I ask in sincerity because I have seen this once in awhile, but don't think it's as severe an issue as it's being portrayed here.
 11/18/2009 10:03:47 PM · #72
Originally posted by Photologist:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I think that showing the average score given causes some people to inflate the scores they give to be received well in the community. Like using a 5-10 score pattern only, instead of spreading it out fully.

BINGO! That is exactly what I do.

I don't want my Average Vote Cast metric to be low, so that is why I only vote 5 or higher (mostly 6 or higher). I started doing this a year or so ago. If I see an image that is "below average" (5), I simply skip it (usually) and only vote on those that are 6 or higher. That keeps my average up. My average vote that I have given out (as of today) is around 5.4. It used to be much lower!


Hey, the spirit of the site would not to rate the photos as you really thinks it's worthy?
Changing your voting pattern so you are not attacked in the forums is something really crazy, I mean you distort the meaning of voting, and more, If I need to vote only from 5 to 10, why vote at all?

I'm here to learn, of course reasons may vary for other people... I'm trying to grow in photography and judging other's work correctly is a step that I'm still going to master. I usually vote and after the results are posted I compare some of my votes with the results to see if I was able to give the right score for the right photo. In the past I had very huge discrepancies comparing my voting with DPC mass voting (results). Then I decided that I would stop voting for a while and concentrate a little more my studies on analysis. I decided to vote on rainbow challenge and I felt I've improved my analysing skills.
But if you come and say you kind of manipulate your own voting attitude so you can keep your vote average high, then I begin to concern about how I can learn from the results of a challenge if people are not necessarily voting honestly?
I think it's the job of the owners and the council to not let the essence of this site to be lost. And if there are so many people are more concerned about keeping their vote average high than giving real opinions and votes to any photo, I'd say the essence is being already lost.
 11/18/2009 10:45:01 PM · #73
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Thanks to everyone for your responses. I will take all this to heart and move forward with my decision.

I'm not quite sure why your voting average and how it compares to what others think should affect your decision to renew or not. I think the real question is: are you getting what you want out of DPChallenge?


This is just one of many things that will ultimately help me decide what to do.
 11/18/2009 11:31:12 PM · #74
Originally posted by marcusvdt:

Hey, the spirit of the site would not to rate the photos as you really thinks it's worthy?
Changing your voting pattern so you are not attacked in the forums is something really crazy, I mean you distort the meaning of voting, and more, If I need to vote only from 5 to 10, why vote at all?

I'm here to learn, of course reasons may vary for other people... I'm trying to grow in photography and judging other's work correctly is a step that I'm still going to master. I usually vote and after the results are posted I compare some of my votes with the results to see if I was able to give the right score for the right photo. In the past I had very huge discrepancies comparing my voting with DPC mass voting (results). Then I decided that I would stop voting for a while and concentrate a little more my studies on analysis. I decided to vote on rainbow challenge and I felt I've improved my analysing skills.
But if you come and say you kind of manipulate your own voting attitude so you can keep your vote average high, then I begin to concern about how I can learn from the results of a challenge if people are not necessarily voting honestly?
I think it's the job of the owners and the council to not let the essence of this site to be lost. And if there are so many people are more concerned about keeping their vote average high than giving real opinions and votes to any photo, I'd say the essence is being already lost.


I have to agree....
 11/19/2009 12:20:18 AM · #75
Originally posted by Melethia:
We could become DPStats.com!

Wise remark! That's what it seems where we are heading to be...
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