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01/01/2009 04:27:12 AM · #51
Originally posted by CEJ:

Post what you think is your most misunderstood or erroneously perceived challenge entry and why you think so.


Originally posted by TrollMan:

IMO there's no such thing. Maybe one or a few voters can misunderstand but if the masses misunderstand then the photographer has failed. I.e. Who do you fire? The team or the coach? :)

So in short: The more an entry is misunderstood, the more the photographer has failed in conveying the message.

IMO :)

I don't believe this to be true.

There are too many people who are locked into their ideas of how things should be done, and if you don't fit exactly into that mold, you will be misunderstood, and punished for it.

Hence the Posthumous awards.

Most of the excellent images that garner these awards are misunderstood.
01/01/2009 04:28:54 AM · #52
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by CEJ:

Post what you think is your most misunderstood or erroneously perceived challenge entry and why you think so.


Originally posted by TrollMan:

IMO there's no such thing. Maybe one or a few voters can misunderstand but if the masses misunderstand then the photographer has failed. I.e. Who do you fire? The team or the coach? :)

So in short: The more an entry is misunderstood, the more the photographer has failed in conveying the message.

IMO :)

I don't believe this to be true.

There are too many people who are locked into their ideas of how things should be done, and if you don't fit exactly into that mold, you will be misunderstood, and punished for it.

Hence the Posthumous awards.

Most of the excellent images that garner these awards are misunderstood.


I agree for once with Jeb here.

Message edited by author 2009-01-01 04:29:25.
01/01/2009 04:31:01 AM · #53
Originally posted by Prash:

I agree for once with Jeb here.

Uh....

Thanks?.......8>)
01/01/2009 04:32:43 AM · #54
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Prash:

I agree for once with Jeb here.

Uh....

Thanks?.......8>)


I should have left out the 'for once' part :-p
01/01/2009 04:53:20 AM · #55
Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by CEJ:

Post what you think is your most misunderstood or erroneously perceived challenge entry and why you think so.


IMO there's no such thing. Maybe one or a few voters can misunderstand but if the masses misunderstand then the photographer has failed. I.e. Who do you fire? The team or the coach? :)

So in short: The more an entry is misunderstood, the more the photographer has failed in conveying the message.

IMO :)


You're right but for the wrong reason. It's not the failure to convey but the failure of expectation. Expecting the masses to understand the complex is a photographer's failing. The masses are only able to consume that of which is wrapped in the simplistic. That's not a knock just a fact. The masses include everyone including the painfully stupid, which unfortunatly outnumber the very bright. If it were not for the individual or a select few who do get it, we the masses would still be living in caves or worse.

Message edited by author 2009-01-01 04:55:20.
01/01/2009 05:08:29 AM · #56
Originally posted by yanko:


You're right but for the wrong reason. It's not the failure to convey but the failure of expectation.

I agree Yanko - but I maintain that it is a combination of both ability to convey and our expectations. Maybe mostly the latter. But there are many cases where I don't realize that I did a bad job conveying until I see some of the comments. It is just so easy to get too consumed with my own images and my own (biased!) interpretation of them to stop and think what others see.

I hope no one take this as negative critique from me though as I'm mostly speaking for myself.
01/01/2009 05:15:31 AM · #57
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This is my "Heart of Darkness" photo from the Heart II challenge.

I thought this one was misunderstood, but maybe it was simply not liked by many voters. It's hard to tell which, I suppose, because there are so few comments and a naked score can be interpretted in several ways.

And perhaps this is all just about what I liked in a photo that others didn't see or appreciate.

The caveat to all of this, though, is that a few people liked it a lot, which is reward enough.
01/01/2009 06:05:11 AM · #58
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I took the box, tore it to shreds, threw the shreds in the fire, and buried the ashes.....8>)

The title of the challenge said Black & White Portrait II

The challenge description said N/A

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Black guy, white beard, portrait.

27-1s, 25-2s, & 31-3s on a pretty clean portrait.

Got DNMCs, and some commentary on how I didn't "get" the idea of the challenge since I didn't, or forgot to, convert it to B&W.

I guess there was a certain amount of misunderstanding, but it really was completely intentional to show that some people don't really care what the actual description says if they think you haven't done what you're supposed to, you WILL get slapped for it.

I got quite a few of this kind of thing:

"A black man with a white beard is NOT a B&W picture! Idea is creative but does not meet challenge criteria."

I just *LOVED* this!!!

WHAT criteria??????

Funny thing is, there were also a group of viewers/voters that were outspoken in favor of what was considered to be a gutsy, irreverent, tongue-in-cheek entry that was a whole lot of fun.

And that was a big plus!

I got the most terrific comment from 21.gif timfythetoo

"Well this image was quite the shock opening up. Having just voted on almost 100 black and white images to see this image full of color come up was a stunner. Had I not spent the extra second I did compared to many of the other entries my finger probably would have hit the 3 button quick. I expect that you are recieving many DNMC votes and comments on this one. But not here. No where in the challenge description does ot say that your entry must be a black and white converted image. While a bit out of the box (just a bit) I think that you met the challenge well and in a gutsy way. The image is strong and pleasing, the red background really makes this stand out even more than in comparison to the images around it. My only real complaint is the border. I am not too keen on the design and the orange strip just doesnt really go well with any of the colors that are in your image. I hope you arent getting hit too hard here. You get an 8 from me counting the extra point awarded for sheer balls. Good luck and I look forward to seeing where this image falls."

It was a fun experiment, and it definitely got the DNMC Nazis' knickers in a twist!

ROFL!!!


So you were technically right and all the "DNMC Nazis" were wrong. But so what? In the end you lost. :) It will always come down to the photographer Jeb. It's only up to you (on a given photo site) how much an image will be misunderstood - never the viewers. If your goal is to get as high of a score as possible, then it is clearly not a good idea to set 'traps' for the voters. But if you don't care, then of course it's better to just submit what you think is nice and not care what voters say - but never complain about the results.

It's like playing a classic song titled "the blues" on a violin in a blues talent competition and calling everyone nazis if the listeners don't get it.

IMO :)
01/01/2009 07:03:59 AM · #59
Originally posted by TrollMan:


It's like playing a classic song titled "the blues" on a violin in a blues talent competition and calling everyone nazis if the listeners don't get it.

IMO :)

If that violin was played beautifully, some would still enjoy it.;p

01/01/2009 07:07:14 AM · #60
Originally posted by alans_world:

Originally posted by TrollMan:


It's like playing a classic song titled "the blues" on a violin in a blues talent competition and calling everyone nazis if the listeners don't get it.

IMO :)

If that violin was played beautifully, some would still enjoy it.;p


Hehe - I totally agree with you Alan and hence the posthumous awards. :)
01/01/2009 07:15:56 AM · #61
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Here's me interpreting peace as an antonym of war, whereas to win the dumbed down dpc ding-dong it has to be the opposite of noise.

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I think this one got hit for lack of studio lighting etc. Worrafug, eh?
01/01/2009 07:19:26 AM · #62
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Entered this in the Dreams 2 challenge, and it totally bombed. My idea behind the shot was that my dreams are very nebulous, I wake with just a vague visual rememberence, and it was that I was trying to capture - clearly my dreams are not like other peoples (or/and it is a crap photo...); nonetheless, I still rather like the image, and don't for one moment regret having enetered it.
01/01/2009 08:00:14 AM · #63
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It appears that few people who voted knew who Uri Geller was, so didn't make the connection to Paranormal. But I understood I took that risk when I entered the shot.
01/01/2009 08:48:14 AM · #64
I'd have to say this one from the first Personification challenge;

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My interpretation of the challenge was to take a picture of something with human qualities, not resemble a human.

7 - 1's
11 - 2's
26 - 3's
01/01/2009 10:10:21 AM · #65
Originally posted by NikonJeb:

I guess there was a certain amount of misunderstanding, but it really was completely intentional to show that some people don't really care what the actual description says if they think you haven't done what you're supposed to, you WILL get slapped for it.

I got quite a few of this kind of thing:

"A black man with a white beard is NOT a B&W picture! Idea is creative but does not meet challenge criteria."

I just *LOVED* this!!!

WHAT criteria??????

Funny thing is, there were also a group of viewers/voters that were outspoken in favor of what was considered to be a gutsy, irreverent, tongue-in-cheek entry that was a whole lot of fun.
It was a fun experiment, and it definitely got the DNMC Nazis' knickers in a twist!


Originally posted by TrollMan:

So you were technically right and all the "DNMC Nazis" were wrong. But so what? In the end you lost. :) It will always come down to the photographer Jeb. It's only up to you (on a given photo site) how much an image will be misunderstood - never the viewers. If your goal is to get as high of a score as possible, then it is clearly not a good idea to set 'traps' for the voters. But if you don't care, then of course it's better to just submit what you think is nice and not care what voters say - but never complain about the results.

Okay.....you seemed to have missed my point.

It was NOT about the score......on any level.

It was an out-and-out, tongue-in-cheek, OOBie fishing expedition (Which it got, BTW!) and an exercise in establishing that some people have completely preconceived notions as to what entries have to be, voting rules and challenge description be damned.

From the voting rules:

You should:
*keep an open mind to other interpretations of the challenge topic.
*consider the challenge topic when voting, and adjust your score accordingly.


Obviously, then the challenge topic is open to interpretation, BUT.......if the challenge description is N/A, then it is absolutely NOT possible for the entry to be DNMC.

And again, just because the entry does not slot into your definition of the challenge topic does NOT mean that it's not "In the spirit of the challenge".

My entry was not about score, which was a good thing, it was about making the DNMC Nazis showing themselves plainly, they did, and having a bit of pointed fun; I did.
Originally posted by TrollMan:

It's like playing a classic song titled "the blues" on a violin in a blues talent competition and calling everyone nazis if the listeners don't get it.

IMO :)

Not really a valid analogy here, because, once again, there was no animosity, the term is not one of denigration, it's merely an identifier.

What I was delighted about, and which ultimately did make me a winner, was some of the positive, and obviously amused, comments I got, headed up by the terrific musings of 21.gif timfythetoo. That part was completely unexpected and delightful.

I got 55 comments during voting, 70 overall......on an image that garnered a 4.4857; how can that NOT be a winner?

That's my third highest number of comments on an image, by a lot, after 2½ years and 129 challenge entries!

The other two were my only ribbons, and the lowest at 6.75 only got one more comment at 71.....and it only got 29 DURING the challenge!

It was a lot of fun, and if I ever get the chance to do something off-the-wall like that again........I would in a HEARTBEAT!!!!!

So, back to.....what my point was, and I proved it, was that an entry will not do will if the viewer/voter chooses to ignore the challenge details and the voting rules suggestions in favor of his/her own personal interpretation.

No judgement here, just a clarification of something I suspected.

What this allows me is an out if it seems that my entry does not convey the image/challenge......I simply will not let it bother me (Too much) if the entry tanks, and it pushes me to make sure that I'm okay with the entry before I submit it. If I'm happy with the results of my entry, then so what if it does poorly, if I'm looking for a score to validate my image, then I'm destined to fail. I would be greatly surprised if anyone who has ribboned can honestly say that they weren't pretty sure that they had a pretty terrific image right before they clicked the Submit button.
01/01/2009 10:23:54 AM · #66
All my entries are misunderstood. If people 'got' them, I'd have more ribbons than 21_F.gif IreneM and 17203.gif scalvert combined!
01/01/2009 12:06:50 PM · #67
Originally posted by bradshaw:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

And so it goes...


have to ask, you ever read slaughter house five?


Oh yeah! One of my faves... And to Jessi, the title is my own original writing...

R.
01/01/2009 03:02:58 PM · #68
LOL, 21.gif NikonJeb, and 21_F.gif TCGuru, I am with YOU, I can't just pick one (particularly from DPCO!) But here's my last DPCO entry, a photo of two grey horses. One is filthy, obvious mud. One is newly bathed. Entered in Before and After. It's not exciting but it only got a 4.9! 28 3 and under votes. Might be stickin' to free studies for a while.
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01/01/2009 05:57:17 PM · #69
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Message edited by author 2009-01-01 17:57:37.
01/01/2009 05:58:41 PM · #70
Originally posted by lynnesite:

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aww shucks, what did I miss?
01/01/2009 06:09:36 PM · #71
724299.jpg I was pretty disappointed with the placement of this one ... I thought it was a great idea for the challenge, but I'm afraid that some of the international crowd didn't quite get it (not sure if The Wizard of Oz is an international favorite or not)
01/01/2009 06:27:03 PM · #72
Originally posted by lynnesite:

LOL, 21.gif NikonJeb, and 21_F.gif TCGuru, I am with YOU, I can't just pick one (particularly from DPCO!) But here's my last DPCO entry, a photo of two grey horses. One is filthy, obvious mud. One is newly bathed. Entered in Before and After. It's not exciting but it only got a 4.9! 28 3 and under votes. Might be stickin' to free studies for a while.
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My heart bleeds for you. After 245 challenges my average is 4.87. Settle down :)
01/01/2009 06:47:26 PM · #73
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Hands down this one. This was for the Bad challenge and a majority of the people thought it was good so they scored it down, lol. I guess people just like hideous cliches ;P
01/01/2009 10:31:21 PM · #74
Originally posted by K10DGuy:

Originally posted by lynnesite:

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aww shucks, what did I miss?


a network burp that double posted. Sorry to disappoint!
01/01/2009 10:54:43 PM · #75
Originally posted by Blue Moon:

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Hands down this one. This was for the Bad challenge and a majority of the people thought it was good so they scored it down, lol. I guess people just like hideous cliches ;P


I noticed that I had voted a 2 on this one, so I looked up to see if I had left a comment. I did!

"My eyes!"
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