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10/03/2008 01:30:06 PM · #1 |
Why?
How very sad. Not just for the animals, but that a child that young has no qualms (apparently) with killing them. |
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10/03/2008 01:32:31 PM · #2 |
| I read about it this morning. WTH? :( Not only no qualms about killing the animals but no apparent regard for authority. |
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10/03/2008 01:35:17 PM · #3 |
Future serial killer?....
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 13:35:37. |
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10/03/2008 01:38:22 PM · #4 |
| Yeah, Alex told me about this on our way to work.. :-( Truly sad. I think he's in for a few sessions of psychotherapy. You can only have compassion for a person that young with so little compassion of his own. |
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10/03/2008 02:04:04 PM · #5 |
That's just sick.
It makes me wonder how he got in there. Were the parents not watching him? I have a 6 and 9 year old and if we go out somewhere, they must always stay by my side. And I am constantly watching them. I think some of this has to do with the parents as well. |
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10/03/2008 02:13:16 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by nsoroma79:
That's just sick.
It makes me wonder how he got in there. Were the parents not watching him? I have a 6 and 9 year old and if we go out somewhere, they must always stay by my side. And I am constantly watching them. I think some of this has to do with the parents as well. |
My thoughts EXACTLY as well! I have a 7 y/o boy and I watch him like a hawk, mostly to make sure nothing happens to him, not the other way around. |
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10/03/2008 02:26:01 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Yeah, Alex told me about this on our way to work.. :-( Truly sad. I think he's in for a few sessions of psychotherapy. You can only have compassion for a person that young with so little compassion of his own. |
You're a bigger man than I.
I have nothing but fear and disdain for someone that screwed up.
I'm always afraid that it's a precursor to more heinous things.
I don't have an answer as to what to do, but I don't want the boy anywhere near me.
I feel there's something fundamental missing in his persona, and it's not a good thing on any level.
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10/03/2008 02:29:12 PM · #8 |
| He is a boy. Seven years on the planet has not resulted in his permanently formed persona. I don't think fearing him will help him, or those that will find themselves in his life in the future. I think it's a pitiable situation. He isn't an island -- he can't be imprisoned for this, or sent away in exile. He'll have to live with people, and himself. He needs help of some kind or other. He'll only get help if his helpers have compassion for him. |
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10/03/2008 02:33:37 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Louis:
He is a boy. Seven years on the planet has not resulted in his permanently formed persona. I don't think fearing him will help him, or those that will find themselves in his life in the future. I think it's a pitiable situation. He isn't an island -- he can't be imprisoned for this, or sent away in exile. He'll have to live with people, and himself. He needs help of some kind or other. He'll only get help if his helpers have compassion for him. |
I have to wonder about how a seven year old can be that screwed up.
Is it natural/instinctual for him to kill in this kind of cold, premeditated manner?
We aren't talking about him tormenting the family pet or smacking a playmate too hard.
Yes, this kind of behavior DOES scare me because I do believe to a certain extent that inherent evil exists.
Examining this behavior isn't something that's going to be pleasant.......what if all therapy does is help him to mask it better and learn to develop it?
This sounds an awful lot to me like a budding, read underdeveloped, sociopath.
ETA: Who draws the line of unrecoverability?
My religion preaches the inherent worth and dignity of every human being, and I, for themost part buy into that premise.
Something like this really shakes me to the core.....too much scary stuff like that climbing fences and retrieving MULTIPLE creatures for his.....amusement?????
This wasn't chuck one critter over the fence to see what happened.....this was methodical.
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 14:37:16.
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10/03/2008 02:36:36 PM · #10 |
What would you have happen? Therapy may not be pleasant, it might not "take", but what's the alternative? Prison? How humane is that?
This boy is not evil. He may be sick -- or he might not be -- but he is certainly not evil. Such characterizations will only make his life even more difficult than it is already. |
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10/03/2008 02:39:27 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Louis:
This boy is not evil. |
Are you sure?
I certainly don't know enough about either this boy in particular, or an acceptable set fo standards, but this certainly doesn't look good.
Where do you stand on the idea of evil?
Where do you see this boy on that scale given what looks like calculated slaughter?
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10/03/2008 02:48:21 PM · #12 |
| Yes, I'm certain that a seven-year-old boy is not "evil". How would you even determine such a thing? What are your criteria for determining that someone, especially a young child, is evil? Is it the actions a person does? How have you ruled out all other possible causes for these actions, before determining the evilness of a person? By what standard are you measuring evil actions against, as opposed to non-evil actions? |
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10/03/2008 02:59:24 PM · #13 |
I'm caught between both ends of the spectrum. I do believe that there are people who for whatever reason - a glitch in the matrix? - have no moral codes, no means of determining the basic difference between wrong and right. I don't know that it can be "fixed". I do think that at seven years old, he is certainly worth trying to "fix" (because I do believe he is somehow broken, though why has not been revealed in any accounts yet).
If he is somehow lacking any ability to distinguish between wrong and right, what DO you do? |
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10/03/2008 03:13:12 PM · #14 |
| The sad thing is, there are such people. A complete lack of empathy is psychosis. I think it's difficult to determine if he's psychotic. If he is, I guess he's got a lifelong struggle ahead of him -- another reason for compassion rather than fear. |
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10/03/2008 03:16:36 PM · #15 |
Children I feel, are not born with these instincts. What if he witnessed this sort of behavior at home, what if he is abused? You don't know what goes on his home or in his life. I believe that we mimic what we see when we are that age.
I'm not defending the child, I am not saying that he doesn't have a mental illness. But there is something wrong in his little noggin that made him want to do that. Boys are boys, but my son would never do that. Most he does, is kills ants. He was taught that every living thing has feelings (true or not, I dunno... but still) and he wouldn't hurt anything like that. He even second guesses ants now! lol
The kid seriously needs therapy. Will it be the end of all of it? Who knows? But, at least it may help. |
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10/03/2008 03:30:48 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Yes, I'm certain that a seven-year-old boy is not "evil". How would you even determine such a thing? What are your criteria for determining that someone, especially a young child, is evil? Is it the actions a person does? How have you ruled out all other possible causes for these actions, before determining the evilness of a person? By what standard are you measuring evil actions against, as opposed to non-evil actions? |
I said I'm not sure, BUT......doesn't the calculatedness of this boy give you great trepidation to his psychological makeup?
It sure does me......and as far as criteria.....if ti looks like a duck, quacks......I'm not going to think that maybe it's NOT a duck.
This child has something seriously wrong going on to behave in this manner.
I cannot help but wonder if there's good reasdon to think he's NOT evil based on the thin evidence put forth at this point.
I'm sorry, but again, this isn't a case where an adolescent sicced the family dog on the neighbor's cat.....this is a seven year old boy that by all appearances coldly and methodically slaughtered multiple animals and went to some extreme lengths to do so.
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10/03/2008 03:35:12 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Louis:
The sad thing is, there are such people. A complete lack of empathy is psychosis. I think it's difficult to determine if he's psychotic. If he is, I guess he's got a lifelong struggle ahead of him -- another reason for compassion rather than fear. |
IMNSHO, I *am* afraid of a psychotic.
I will NOT be anything but REALLY careful if I know I'm around one, and I want no parts of it.
I'm neither qualified, nor interested in taking the risk to deal with it.
I would much rather distance myself from the person and their environment.
I'm not sure why I'm supposed to have compassion for such a potentially deadly person.....and by that I mean deadly to me, my family, and/or my way of life.
I feel no need or obligation to incur that responsibility.
Would you be willing to accept responsibility for this child's future?
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10/03/2008 03:38:23 PM · #18 |
| Not getting into all of the other issues but HOW did a 7 year old boy break into a zoo? It must have been pretty darned easy if he could do it. Perhaps there is an issue of safety here. What if he had been eaten by the alligator. Then we would all be decrying the zoo for not making it harder to be where the boy was. |
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10/03/2008 03:39:01 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I said I'm not sure, BUT......doesn't the calculatedness of this boy give you great trepidation to his psychological makeup? |
Yes. His psychological makeup says nothing about the existence of "evil".
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It sure does me......and as far as criteria.....if ti looks like a duck, quacks......I'm not going to think that maybe it's NOT a duck. |
I don't understand what this means.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
This child has something seriously wrong going on to behave in this manner. |
Yes.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I cannot help but wonder if there's good reasdon to think he's NOT evil based on the thin evidence put forth at this point. |
Hm? We should think he's evil because nobody has offered evidence to the contrary? Does this mean we should think you evil because nobody has offered evidence to the contrary? And what step have you taken to discount all the other potential problems this person might have, before the diagnosis of "evil"? And what is your definition of "evil", and what are the ramifications of the definition, and how does this definition and the actions resulting from it help the evil ones, and those around them?
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...this is a seven year old boy that by all appearances coldly and methodically slaughtered multiple animals and went to some extreme lengths to do so. |
Yes. And how do you determine that a seven year old boy is necessarily evil, or what constitutes evil in him, or what measuring stick you used to determine his evilness?
Are you equating psychosis with evil? |
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10/03/2008 03:40:07 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by dponlyme:
Not getting into all of the other issues but HOW did a 7 year old boy break into a zoo? |
He was so small -- he's seven years old -- that he didn't trip the security system's alarms (assumed to be motion detectors, etc.). It was calibrated thus probably due to the fact that it had to account for animals the size of crocodiles, etc. |
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10/03/2008 03:40:21 PM · #21 |
*gasp*
I cannot believe a 7 year old child did that!!
My 7 year old gets upset if a bird dies, nevermind him actually KILLING something.
Compassion for living things is one of the most important lessons a parent can teach. We are, after all, raising our children to be adults someday. Fully grown man with no compassion or remorse? Danger! Makes me think of the &*%$&#@ that swirved OUT of the road to run over my dog. :(
So sad about the animals too :(
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 15:41:00. |
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10/03/2008 03:55:07 PM · #22 |
| Not all of us would have been crying foul play. I would have said justice done. Just like at six flags over Georgia. You jump two 12 foot fences with warning signs everywhere and whamo you get your head taken off by a coaster then you just solved the riddle of evolution. |
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10/03/2008 04:00:29 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I said I'm not sure, BUT......doesn't the calculatedness of this boy give you great trepidation to his psychological makeup? |
Originally posted by Louis:
Yes. His psychological makeup says nothing about the existence of "evil". |
Why not?
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
It sure does me......and as far as criteria.....if ti looks like a duck, quacks......I'm not going to think that maybe it's NOT a duck. |
Originally posted by Louis:
I don't understand what this means. |
It means that I don't really have much reason to think this kid has much redeeming value.
Seven year olds don't do this kind of thing in my concept of the human race.
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I cannot help but wonder if there's good reasdon to think he's NOT evil based on the thin evidence put forth at this point. |
Originally posted by Louis:
Hm? We should think he's evil because nobody has offered evidence to the contrary? |
No, I said *I* think there's a possibility that he's evil based on the actions reported.
Why do I have to look for something off the wall right out of the gate.
You seem to have a different scale of wrong or bad than I.
This is so far into the wrong/bad zone that I'm more looking for damage control than redemption.
I'm more concerned for the people around this kid than the kid.
I'm sorry, but I just see too many innocents damaged because someone thought that maybe some madman could be rehabilitated....and was set loose on society.
Originally posted by Louis:
Does this mean we should think you evil because nobody has offered evidence to the contrary? |
You get scornful and snide with me when I tell you you're a jerk, yet you make a comment like this?
Evidence like this makes me think you're a jerk.
If you can offer one decent reason why you'd make this leap, this analogy, fine, but otherwise I really do find your methods of debate contemptible.
Why would you say something like this?
To me, that's just mean, and you do seem to do this regularly.
I thought perhaps we could discuss this rationally, but I was mistaken, I guess.
I have never in my life done something so reprehensible, nor have I ever given anyone any reason to think I would be capable of it. Not that I find the need to defend my character save that you would have the unmitigated gall to call it into question for sake of discussion.
You really enjoy pissing me off for sport, don't you?
Originally posted by Louis:
And what step have you taken to discount all the other potential problems this person might have, before the diagnosis of "evil"? |
NONE!!!
Let me ask you this.....if I broke into your house and killed Alex, or someone else's house and killed them, would your first concern/thoughts be, "Oh, this poor man must have something wrong in his life that caused him to do this; he's certainly not evil."?
Why is that on you?
Originally posted by Louis:
And what is your definition of "evil", and what are the ramifications of the definition, and how does this definition and the actions resulting from it help the evil ones, and those around them? |
Why do I have to help these people?
Where's my part in this?
How is this my resposibility on any level?
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
...this is a seven year old boy that by all appearances coldly and methodically slaughtered multiple animals and went to some extreme lengths to do so. |
Originally posted by Louis:
Yes. And how do you determine that a seven year old boy is necessarily evil, or what constitutes evil in him, or what measuring stick you used to determine his evilness? |
I believe that *I* asked *YOU* that question.
I certainly do see this as an example of evil behavior. As to whether or not the boy is evil, that remains to be determined. I said before that I wasn't sure....are you overlooking that on purpose?
Originally posted by Louis:
Are you equating psychosis with evil? |
Maybe.....do we know enough to be sure that it isn't?
What causes psychosis?
Message edited by author 2008-10-03 16:03:25.
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10/03/2008 04:18:10 PM · #24 |
| I'd respond, but I'm weary at your insistence on taking an example as some kind of personal slight. It's simply not worth my time. |
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10/03/2008 04:20:37 PM · #25 |
| Enough of the digression. If SC happens by, this thread can be locked at the request of the OP. |
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