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04/30/2008 06:49:19 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
I would love to have flashes via remote trigger. I don't know what to look for. what kind of flashes that I can get and transmitters to run them? Any help would be appreciated. I also thought strobists use flashes not strobe light, that's why I wanted to make sure. |
The terms are interchangable: flash, strobe, etc.
The question of what you should look for depends on how you are going to use the lights. If you need something cheaper, portable, and small, then Speedlight-style strobes are your thing. eBay is the best place to get older models that work well. On the other hand, if you want a fixed studio, then you may want to look at Alien Bees type strobes, which are larger and more powerful, but not so easily portable.
Remote triggers offer options as well. PocketWizards currently dominate the market. Elinchrome has the Skyport system, which is supposedly cheaper and smaller. The eBay Cactus triggers are the cheapest, but are not as dependable. RadioPoppers may be an option, if you are going with the Speedlight-style strobes.
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04/30/2008 07:03:43 PM · #52 |
i was in this boar a few months ago. I ended up buying 2 Vivitar flashes for $90 a piece. I then bought the Cactus V2s triggers from Hong Kong and the trigger for them from the same place. They misfire every now and then but nothing major. Maybe 3 from every 200 shots or so... but i'm not sure how much is down to recycle times of the flashes since i usually have them on 1/4 power.
You can get all you need for $200 easily.
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04/30/2008 07:10:34 PM · #53 |
I just got Alienbees strobe B800 yesterday. I ordered camera adaptor (with cord) and wireless trigger which are coming this week. The softbox I got right now is 34X40, huge with a strong stand. As soon as I got my backdrop (white) tomorrow, I will start taking some photos... I can't wait.
I see those shots outside, with flashes (such as Speedlight) and some people are using a couple or a few same time, results are killer. I would like to use those kinds specially in sporting events. Not on the game but before or after the game... just to experiment some cool shots.
I will try the triggers and flashes... I don't think I can buy them right now, but I will in the future. At this point I have one external for top of my camera, for this and that, and small softbox (homemade)... Probably will get the cord to make that flash mobile. It's killing me to take sideways photos when I use bounced flash lights, which is not working well from side, although some of the coolest portrait photos I took I used sideways flash bounce using white walls. The entire wall becomes a giant softbox :P
sample #1
Sample #2
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04/30/2008 07:24:55 PM · #54 |
 FocusPoint I tend to think of a strobist as anyone using off camera flash. It can be Canon Hot Shoe flashes or Alien Bees. If it is off camera then I think that is the key.
I bought two Alien Bees a while back and once I realized they were not very portable and chose to go with a portable system I sold them and bought another Canon 430EX flash to go with the one I already owned and a Canon 580 EX flash as well. Then I bought the ST-E2 Canon wireless transmitter with stands and umbrellas. This way I am portable and not weighed down with a huge battery pack.
Message edited by author 2008-04-30 19:35:57.
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04/30/2008 07:39:05 PM · #55 |
I bought Alienbees only for my studio. I am not going to take them outside, they stay indoors... here with me or maybe client's place where I can have power outlets.
For outdoors, ST-E2 and canon 580 seems pretty good so far ;) |
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04/30/2008 10:06:16 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
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The terms are interchangable: flash, strobe, etc. |
I still prefer to think of flashes as small, light, portable, battery powered. And strobes as bigger, more powerful, faster recycling and (for the most part) plugged into the wall.
It's a lot easier to say "flash" or "strobe" and have everyone know exactly what I mean with just one word. Than to have to say "big plugged in flash" or "small battery powered strobe". Why make them interchangeable when keeping them separate allows a single word to pack the full meaning of the word?
No, I don't own the English language, it's just a pet peeve of mine. ;-)
Message edited by author 2008-04-30 22:06:55.
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04/30/2008 10:14:02 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
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The terms are interchangable: flash, strobe, etc. |
I still prefer to think of flashes as small, light, portable, battery powered. And strobes as bigger, more powerful, faster recycling and (for the most part) plugged into the wall.
It's a lot easier to say "flash" or "strobe" and have everyone know exactly what I mean with just one word. Than to have to say "big plugged in flash" or "small battery powered strobe". Why make them interchangeable when keeping them separate allows a single word to pack the full meaning of the word?
No, I don't own the English language, it's just a pet peeve of mine. ;-) |
haha, you're entitled to your pet peeve! I use the term loosely, although when I mean the hotshoe-mount kind, I often just call them Speedlights, generically.
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04/30/2008 10:29:14 PM · #58 |
The girls got out on the trampoline tonight so I took some photos. Some were shot with one 430 EX on a stand to the left of me. Some with two 430EX flashes on the stand left and right of me. I never had time to get out the 580 EX and add it to the mix as school is tomorrow and it was near their bedtime when this was done. Maybe more this weekend as I will have time to play with the lights and try to get better angles. Most of these I only bumped the contrast and resized for DPC. Just thought I needed to share some photos and get some practice.
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04/30/2008 11:59:41 PM · #59 |
thought you guys might be interested in this-
I took his workshop when it came to Phoenix and it was excellent! I'm going to be buying a set of radiopoppers too- (hopefully this month!) and I can start playing with ya'll! :0) |
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05/01/2008 04:53:57 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by oOWonderBreadOo:
thought you guys might be interested in this-
I took his workshop when it came to Phoenix and it was excellent! I'm going to be buying a set of radiopoppers too- (hopefully this month!) and I can start playing with ya'll! :0) |
Thanks for the link. I have a model coming over on Tuesday and m ay try this but with a white muslin sheet. Wonder if it will work?
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05/01/2008 05:10:14 PM · #61 |
Maybe someone will know. I have the Canon ST-E2 Wireless Transmitter but was thinking of buying some cactus radio triggers to replace it. I know I will lose TTL but will keep the ST-E2 when it is needed. Will I need a receiver for each flash I have and what is the operating distance?
ETA:
Found my answer to the distance: 10 meters. I was hoping for better
Message edited by author 2008-05-01 17:20:29.
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05/02/2008 06:55:33 PM · #62 |
I have three flashes - Nikon SB26 and SB28 and a Canon 430ex. I use Cactus V2s. The Nikons both work really well with these triggers (yes, you need a receiver for each flash). The Canon 430ex is not as reliable as the Nikons so I will use it only when I need a third flash. I only have 2 receivers at this stage so I use the SB26 with the optical trigger when I need to.
Radiopopper jr are hopefully going to be the answer to this. Are supposed to be rather cheap- comparable to Cactus apparently - but with much better communication. Will have to wait and see.
My Cactus triggers have the antenna modification. Haven't had to use for any great distance at this stage but I think the reports show better results than 10 metres. |
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05/02/2008 07:07:51 PM · #63 |
i'd agree with this, and add that if you're gonna use the 'strobist' heading the use of alien bees and the like should be focused on in another thread.
Originally posted by dwterry:
I still prefer to think of flashes as small, light, portable, battery powered. And strobes as bigger, more powerful, faster recycling and (for the most part) plugged into the wall.
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05/02/2008 07:27:54 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
I still prefer to think of flashes as small, light, portable, battery powered. And strobes as bigger, more powerful, faster recycling and (for the most part) plugged into the wall.
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Originally posted by soup:
i'd agree with this, and add that if you're gonna use the 'strobist' heading the use of alien bees and the like should be focused on in another thread. |
I get what your saying about wanting to have the Power Pack and Monolight guys to have their own thread, but when it comes down to it, off camera light is off camera light. While the Strobist blog and "movement" (if you will) is mostly associated with small flashes, or small strobes, or speedlights, (<--that's my favorite way to refer to them BTW) alot of the techniques and approaches to lighting translate and/or apply across the board. What Larus does with Monolights can often be done as well with speedlights. The same goes for in studio shots taken with a Profoto, or Zeus kit. For that reason alone I say if your dealing with off camera light and want to share your work and how you did it and with what equipment, come on in here and do it! |
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05/02/2008 07:44:08 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
For that reason alone I say if your dealing with off camera light and want to share your work and how you did it and with what equipment, come on in here and do it! |
Agreed
Message edited by author 2008-05-02 19:44:39.
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05/02/2008 07:50:15 PM · #66 |
I'm really new to this but am having fun with it. Following are some of my shots using off-camera flash.
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05/02/2008 08:44:52 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by dwterry:
Originally posted by OdysseyF22:
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The terms are interchangable: flash, strobe, etc. |
I still prefer to think of flashes as small, light, portable, battery powered. And strobes as bigger, more powerful, faster recycling and (for the most part) plugged into the wall.
It's a lot easier to say "flash" or "strobe" and have everyone know exactly what I mean with just one word. Than to have to say "big plugged in flash" or "small battery powered strobe". Why make them interchangeable when keeping them separate allows a single word to pack the full meaning of the word?
No, I don't own the English language, it's just a pet peeve of mine. ;-) |
I agree but my pet peeve is more about editing like when lightroom editing is referred to as "no editing". :)) |
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05/02/2008 11:38:33 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I agree but my pet peeve is more about editing like when lightroom editing is referred to as "no editing". :)) |
Haha... I'm *guilty* of that one!
But, but .... lemme 'splain why: I see Lightroom more as a means for making adjustments to the overall image rather than for editing the image. I think the best definitions I have in my own head for these are:
- Adjustments: Global changes to the image (exposure, hue, saturation, contrast, sharpness)
- Editing: local/specific changes to parts of an image
For example, if I was using a word processor and I "reflowed" an entire story to fit onto one sheet of paper instead of two, I wouldn't call it editing. (not sure "adjusting" is the right word, but editing doesn't fit either) But if I reworded a sentence or changed the spelling of a word, I'd call that editing. So for me, the same definition for editing works even outside of Lightroom. :-)
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05/03/2008 01:11:38 AM · #69 |
I get what you're saying but I couldn't resist. :P
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05/03/2008 01:26:25 AM · #70 |
Just thought that I would add that the gels used for this are theatrical gels (par can gels) got them from ebay. Got a pack of five (blue, green, red, pink, purple) each sheet was (without looking) about 10x10inches.
I haven't managed to source the rosco filters here in Australia. If anyone knows where I can get them please let me know.
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05/03/2008 07:26:07 AM · #71 |
Couple more simple light tests. We have a shoot of a 17 month old boy this morning and we so want to have the editing to be kept to a minimum, especially when the background is concerned.
 
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05/03/2008 02:56:20 PM · #72 |
Shoot went pretty good this morning. 17 month old boys don't like to pose so much. I am permanently spoiled with the posing skills of both of my kids.
   
Editing on these consisted of RAW conversion, slight levels tweak, NI, minor spot editing to clean up facial crud and selective color tweak on the black background images. I am so totally pumped at how little editing had to be done to get the proofs ready. Took me just over an hour to do 60+ images.
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05/04/2008 07:58:41 PM · #73 |
A few more shots to add to the thread. I did a shoot recently with a buddy of mine and these are a few of the images. I did alot more then just these, but these are the only ones where I used artificial lighting.
Set up Info:
1 SB-28 shot through an umbrella camera right on 1/8 power. Triggered with Pocket Wizards
And then the other day I had some time to kill after work so I decided to play a little bit.
(^ This is my Sports Illustrated shot. ;-D )
Set Up Info:
1 SB-28 from directly above shooting through an umbrella on 1/2 power fired with a Pocket Wizard.
1 SB-26 on 1/8 power camera left, 1 SunPak 5000AF to camera right on 1/8 power. Both rim lights fired on optical slave.
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05/04/2008 08:10:36 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by breadfan35:
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Nice shots. I am looking for a boom portion to go with one of my stands. Can anyone suggest something cheap?
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05/05/2008 06:39:35 AM · #75 |
Today is the day I am putting my home studio up. I have tons to do, such as moving stuff out of my study room, but I think I will manage. Finally I got about everything I need, Alienbees strobe lights, white backdrop with stand, a huge softobox... two umbrellas, triggers...
My main concern is that the room is a bit small, and I probably will be cramped in there, but it should do well for kids and headshots... I am not planning group photos just yet.
Very very excited :D |
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