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02/23/2008 09:59:57 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by xianart:
Jeb, i agree with deb - there's nothing wrong with eye candy, but it's not the only way to see the world. i guess eye candy is what it says - nice, but too much and you get sick. there is some, beautiful, perfectly made candy, a true art form. but there is also a need wholesome food too - both a good hearty meal and nouvelle cuisine.
ok, enough with the similies... |
further to this - we need dark beauty to help us see the light beauty, and vice versa.
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02/23/2008 10:04:24 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by xianart:
Jeb, i agree with deb - there's nothing wrong with eye candy, but it's not the only way to see the world. |
I'm not saying that it is, but I have just heard so much whining about eye candy that I'm kinda tired of it........part of why I'm here is to learn to make visually pleasing images.
I *AM* trying to sell some of my work after all!.....8>)
Originally posted by xianart:
i guess eye candy is what it says - nice, but too much and you get sick. there is some, beautiful, perfectly made candy, a true art form. but there is also a need wholesome food too - both a good hearty meal and nouvelle cuisine.
ok, enough with the similies... |
Well.....the other reason that I'm here is all about how to do really artisitic, interpretive work.
That's why I'm here at Tean Suck and more than anything want to achieve the honor of a Posthumous Ribbon.
But I'll settle for the occasional effusive comment from my teammates!.....8>)
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02/23/2008 10:20:46 AM · #78 |
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02/23/2008 10:39:24 AM · #79 |
Many times I feel that 90% of this site has ZERO tolerance for something other than eye candy. Sure, you get a few nice comments but when you look at the score, it gets crushed. For those people that are here strictly for the "visually appealing" shots, then DPC is the right place to be. But if you try something different, you'd better prepare yourself because the results aren't going to be pretty.
Unfortunately, I don't want to feel that I have to stop shooting what I enjoy in order to have s chance at a ribbon. I feel like I would be selling my soul to the devil. I know I will never get a ribbon here but I guess I can live with that. What I do get though, is to shoot images for what I like and not doing it simply to try to please that 90%.
I know that many people will diagree with me vehemently. That's why I'm not sure that I want to enter challenges any more. I'll probably just put images in my portfolio and if people comment on it, thats great. I do like DPC but I feel that it doesn't always care for my type of photography.
Just my little rant. |
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02/23/2008 10:41:56 AM · #80 |
| I have a shot that I would like to put in for Black and White in Color. Would any one like to take a look at it and give feed back? |
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02/23/2008 11:03:27 AM · #81 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I like to think that I have an eye for creativity, and an appreciation for the story told in an image, but I do like a visually pleasing image as well.
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Jeb, I agree that eye candy can be nice to look at.
But most of the images you posted meet all three of your points. I define "eye candy" as just a cool-looking image, with no emotion or story behind it. Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't have the same impact. It may well score highly because in voting, that quick reaction to a strong visual is exactly in tune with the 5 seconds people give it. Most of my high-scoring shots fall into this category. They're pretty, and to me they look nice on the wall, but they don't particularly resonate.
Then there are the images that do tell a story, but aren't purely visually appealing to as many people, probably for that very reason. They tend to score lower but attract more favorites. Two Birds entries come to mind. Deb's tells all kinds of stories to me:
And then there's this one, which is a counterexample to the usual complaint, because it's B&W, noisy, and even has banding in the noise, but still did well. It speaks volumes to me about time in Vermont with my family, experiences outdoors where I've the most spiritual, the beauty of a quiet, foggy morning where all my cares fall away, of waking up on camping trips surrounded by the people who mean the most to me ...
Originally posted by bmartuch:
Unfortunately, I don't want to feel that I have to stop shooting what I enjoy in order to have s chance at a ribbon. I feel like I would be selling my soul to the devil. I know I will never get a ribbon here but I guess I can live with that. What I do get though, is to shoot images for what I like and not doing it simply to try to please that 90%.
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And THAT, to me, is the Team Suck attitude in a nutshell. Shoot what you want. If you want to see whether you can produce high-scoring shots, as I do sometimes, go for it. But when I want to share a non-DPC-friendly image, I also do that:
 
If, however, having eye candy in your portfolio never suits you, then just shoot what does. Xianart and skewsme are two Team Suck examples of people who clearly know what they're doing with a camera, but their choices generally aren't eye candy (with one notable Monty Python exception), and occasionally their choices also align with the voters.
So if it gets you down that your choices don't align with the voters, then I'd say stop entering challenges. But please do keep shooting and sharing!
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02/23/2008 11:04:15 AM · #82 |
Originally posted by basssman7:
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Truly spectacular, IMO, regardless of what Don said.....8>)
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02/23/2008 11:06:09 AM · #83 |
Originally posted by cosprenks:
I have a shot that I would like to put in for Black and White in Color. Would any one like to take a look at it and give feed back? |
I'd love to.....would you give me your take on mine?
I've already entered it; I don't think it will do well, but "I love my shot!"...8>)
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02/23/2008 11:09:17 AM · #84 |
The fear of these:
Originally posted by kashi:
Having kind of an 'off' day here - and not made any better by finding one of my 'browns' redone in the current challenge :( |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Yeah, this challenge might be more of a bummer than I thought. A lot of people are interpreting "excellent" to mean "eye candy". I don't know why they couldn't simply make it a tribute. That being said, I'm thrilled to see one of mine up there! |
Originally posted by Melethia:
I was kinda hoping it was a challenge to have fun but based on my comments so far (with one very notable exception - thanks, Catherine!) no one else is seeing it that way. I'd say "live and learn" but I've been here long enough that I really should have learned by now. Kinda sad, really. |
is the reason that I wrote this:
Originally posted by bruce_the_robert:
Just when I start to think this place is coming around a little (posting Don's tutorials, for example) it seems to take a giant step backwards. |
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02/23/2008 11:20:32 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by basssman7:
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Truly spectacular, IMO, regardless of what Don said.....8>) |
hehehe. I had forgot that Don had given me a not very nice comment on that image. ;)
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02/23/2008 11:25:06 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
Oh, I don't know...guinea pigs can be quite aggressive if you catch them at the right moment. I actually have scars to prove it. I'd say the barn cats had better be on their guard. |
Hamsters are infinitely more aggressive. In the 6 years I have been volunteering at the animal shelter I have been bitten exactly once seriously enough to draw blood and require me to report it ... yes, a hamster. And as I stood there with my hand dripping blood (the clever critter nicked a vein) the potential adopter said, "Oh, can I see the other one from that cage?" Hmm. I can understand not wanting the homicidal hamster, but she could at least have given me a moment to wash my hands and find a bandaid.
Guinea pigs just run away a lot ::cue Monty Python fleeing knight voices::
And to pay for my uninvited intrusion into this thread, I will share a barn with some sheep in front and a row of pigeons decorating the top. Not an old, weathered barn but perhaps it will be after you all are finished with it ;-)
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02/23/2008 11:27:10 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
I like to think that I have an eye for creativity, and an appreciation for the story told in an image, but I do like a visually pleasing image as well.
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Originally posted by levyj413:
Jeb, I agree that eye candy can be nice to look at.
But most of the images you posted meet all three of your points. I define "eye candy" as just a cool-looking image, with no emotion or story behind it. Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't have the same impact. It may well score highly because in voting, that quick reaction to a strong visual is exactly in tune with the 5 seconds people give it. Most of my high-scoring shots fall into this category. They're pretty, and to me they look nice on the wall, but they don't particularly resonate.
Then there are the images that do tell a story, but aren't purely visually appealing to as many people, probably for that very reason. They tend to score lower but attract more favorites. Two Birds entries come to mind. Deb's tells all kinds of stories to me:
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Maybe I'm missing the point....I really like(d) this shot.
I had to learn how to look at B&W images when I got here.
Now, they speak to me, in a different language, which I didn't used to understand.
(Grammatical butchery care of Pennsylvania Dutchification.)
Originally posted by levyj413:
And then there's this one, which is a counterexample to the usual complaint, because it's B&W, noisy, and even has banding in the noise, but still did well. It speaks volumes to me about time in Vermont with my family, experiences outdoors where I've the most spiritual, the beauty of a quiet, foggy morning where all my cares fall away, of waking up on camping trips surrounded by the people who mean the most to me ...
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And I can see why.
This one's ALL about composition.
And for whatever reason, it did resonate with the viewers.
It draws you in.
Originally posted by levyj413:
So if it gets you down that your choices don't align with the voters, then I'd say stop entering challenges. But please do keep shooting and sharing! |
I know you directed this at Bob, but I've kind of abandoned challenges in favor of various side projects, both here and in "Real Life".
I've found both to be more rewarding and less demoralizing.
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02/23/2008 11:47:42 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by MaryO:
Originally posted by krnodil:
Oh, I don't know...guinea pigs can be quite aggressive if you catch them at the right moment. I actually have scars to prove it. I'd say the barn cats had better be on their guard. |
Hamsters are infinitely more aggressive. In the 6 years I have been volunteering at the animal shelter I have been bitten exactly once seriously enough to draw blood and require me to report it ... yes, a hamster. And as I stood there with my hand dripping blood (the clever critter nicked a vein) the potential adopter said, "Oh, can I see the other one from that cage?" Hmm. I can understand not wanting the homicidal hamster, but she could at least have given me a moment to wash my hands and find a bandaid.
Guinea pigs just run away a lot ::cue Monty Python fleeing knight voices::
And to pay for my uninvited intrusion into this thread, I will share a barn with some sheep in front and a row of pigeons decorating the top. Not an old, weathered barn but perhaps it will be after you all are finished with it ;-)
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everyone's welcome here,  MaryO, and there's no price for admission. Although if you actually want to *join* Team Suck there will be an unavoidable initiation rite. ;)
and yes, hamsters do up the aggressiveness ante, as do gerbils - my friend had one mean little dude where you had to trap it under a cup before you could enter the cage to clean it, or freshen the food/water.
my unlucky gp encounter came about when I figured putting my hand between two fighting guinea pigs to break it up, was a sound idea (I was about 8). :) I was quite surprised to withdraw my hand and find a pig attached to it, securely attached at that. Then I had my second bad idea and tried to *shake* the pig loose, which only served to tear up my hand more. First time I ever saw the blood literally drain from another person's face (my mother, when she saw how much blood was coming from my wound) - ended up with 20 stitches.
but for all that, I'm quite fond of guinea pigs, and I can do a mean imitation of their squeaking. :) |
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02/23/2008 11:53:47 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by krnodil:
everyone's welcome here, MaryO, and there's no price for admission. Although if you actually want to *join* Team Suck there will be an unavoidable initiation rite. ;) |
So I've heard ;-)
Originally posted by krnodil:
my unlucky gp encounter came about when I figured putting my hand between two fighting guinea pigs to break it up, was a sound idea (I was about 8). :) I was quite surprised to withdraw my hand and find a pig attached to it, securely attached at that. Then I had my second bad idea and tried to *shake* the pig loose, which only served to tear up my hand more. First time I ever saw the blood literally drain from another person's face (my mother, when she saw how much blood was coming from my wound) - ended up with 20 stitches. |
I am getting a great visual from this. Sorry about the stitches, but it does make for an entertaining story now that you've outgrown the trauma.
Agree about the gerbils, too. Most spend their lives trying to escape from whereever you put them, but a few are biters. My kids had one that bit through my husband's thumbnail into the flesh below and hung on for all he was worth as my husband tried to shake him off. Made for a lovely new decorating scheme, doncha' know ;-))) |
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02/23/2008 12:18:11 PM · #90 |
being we are in a barn i will post this shot i took last night. I tried something new in photography, a couple guys from the camera club invited me to go with them to the local Bull blast, Wow thats some fast paced shooting and lousy light. But it was fun and indoors so it was warm, too cold to get outside and shoot now. I bet this guy would agree that bull riding is one of the roughest sports this morning.
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02/23/2008 12:25:24 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by MaryO:
Originally posted by krnodil:
everyone's welcome here, MaryO, and there's no price for admission. Although if you actually want to *join* Team Suck there will be an unavoidable initiation rite. ;) |
So I've heard ;-)
Originally posted by krnodil:
my unlucky gp encounter came about when I figured putting my hand between two fighting guinea pigs to break it up, was a sound idea (I was about 8). :) I was quite surprised to withdraw my hand and find a pig attached to it, securely attached at that. Then I had my second bad idea and tried to *shake* the pig loose, which only served to tear up my hand more. First time I ever saw the blood literally drain from another person's face (my mother, when she saw how much blood was coming from my wound) - ended up with 20 stitches. |
I am getting a great visual from this. Sorry about the stitches, but it does make for an entertaining story now that you've outgrown the trauma.
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you know it's funny, I'm left-handed, but that day I chose to use my right hand to break up the fight - I never favor my right hand. I like to think that my subconscious had a better idea of my action's consequences and heroically sacrificed my other hand when it discovered it couldn't stop me. :)
Originally posted by MaryO:
...Made for a lovely new decorating scheme, doncha' know ;-))) |
but you know you're a photographer when you take the blood spatter on the wall as an opportunity to create an abstract. :D |
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02/23/2008 01:47:19 PM · #92 |
xian,
metaphors are meatballs.
bob,
sorry, I was playing negative space nazi. it's actually a gorgeous photo. |
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02/23/2008 01:51:53 PM · #93 |
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02/23/2008 02:00:21 PM · #94 |
Ok, I’m playing with CS3 a program that I have NO understanding of ! Now I have something I would like to enter into Pets III, No, I have no clue what I did, but I did it to the photo as a whole for the most part.
Would someone like to chime in with a couple questions I have about it? |
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02/23/2008 02:02:56 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
I'm confused. Who's Bob? |
 bmartuch or basssman7 LOL
Message edited by author 2008-02-23 14:07:07. |
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02/23/2008 02:10:45 PM · #96 |
Originally posted by Redneck:
Ok, I’m playing with CS3 a program that I have NO understanding of ! Now I have something I would like to enter into Pets III, No, I have no clue what I did, but I did it to the photo as a whole for the most part.
Would someone like to chime in with a couple questions I have about it? |
you can PM me your questions, Alan, I'll try to help. :) |
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02/23/2008 02:38:57 PM · #97 |
Originally posted by Redneck:
Ok, I’m playing with CS3 a program that I have NO understanding of ! Now I have something I would like to enter into Pets III, No, I have no clue what I did, but I did it to the photo as a whole for the most part.
Would someone like to chime in with a couple questions I have about it? |
Right click on the image in PS and go to file data, then history and/or advanced to see what's been done.
Message edited by author 2008-02-23 14:39:32.
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02/23/2008 02:40:27 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by Redneck:
Ok, I’m playing with CS3 a program that I have NO understanding of ! Now I have something I would like to enter into Pets III, No, I have no clue what I did, but I did it to the photo as a whole for the most part.
Would someone like to chime in with a couple questions I have about it? |
Right click on the image in PS and go to file data, then history and/or advanced to see what's been done. |
COOL, Thank You.. |
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02/23/2008 02:42:05 PM · #99 |
I'm stuck.....
I have two pics for Pet Portrait.
My wife and daughter like the one, I like the other.
They say the one I like is soooooooo done.
I'm afraid the other's gonna get slammed.
BTW, how do you guys work showing shots.....is there a way to do it in Workshop?
I've always just e-mailed them.
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02/23/2008 02:43:34 PM · #100 |
Originally posted by purpleflutterby13:
I'm confused. Who's Bob? |
Umm....
basssman7 is Ernie
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