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09/03/2007 09:49:59 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by chimericvisions:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
If you take the challenge literally, that's absolutely correct. I was amazed how few of the entries actually DID fill the frame. |
I don't know how you arrive at that conclusion. The top-three are all filled-frame photos. There is a single subject which occupies the entire frame. Are you seriously going to say that because it wasn't the animal's face that filled the entire frame that it doesn't fit the challenge? If you want to get that literal you could complain that since  unneva didn't focus the entire frame on the girl's nose that it didn't fill the frame. That's complaining for the sake of complaining, not for any failure of the image. |
I'm just being hyperbolic. I think all 3 winners are true fill-the-frame images. I think a majority of entries filled the frame. I think people are being ridiculous. I have always thought people are ridiculous actually. Pay me no heed.
R.
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09/03/2007 10:03:25 PM · #52 |
Fill-the-frame doesn't mean absolutely no negative space. It's a technique to put the subject front and center. That said, I sorta agree with Elvis. It does seem that many want to find reasons to cut points from a vote rather than take the time to actually appreciate an image. Voters are also quick to assume the photog is stupid and has made mistakes (rather than doing certain things with a purpose).
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09/03/2007 10:07:55 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Fill-the-frame doesn't mean absolutely no negative space. It's a technique to put the subject front and center. That said, I sorta agree with Elvis. It does seem that many want to find reasons to cut points from a vote rather than take the time to actually appreciate an image. Voters are also quick to assume the photog is stupid and has made mistakes (rather than doing certain things with a purpose). |
Well said buddy, well said :)
-dave |
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09/03/2007 10:21:04 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Fill-the-frame doesn't mean absolutely no negative space. It's a technique to put the subject front and center. That said, I sorta agree with Elvis. It does seem that many want to find reasons to cut points from a vote rather than take the time to actually appreciate an image. Voters are also quick to assume the photog is stupid and has made mistakes (rather than doing certain things with a purpose). |
Well, photographer can always put a comment about his photo explaining what it is for the people who just don't get it (still I gave the photo in question 7).
We can always appreciate the cleverness (being smart to make a photo beyond common sense of general voter) of photographer after the challenge is over. While in voting if some people do not get it, they will vote according to what they feel. And this shall not be hard to understand.
People can vote down photos for various reason, and the same time they vote them up too (read comments like - great shot , does not meet challenge but because it is great i am giving it 8 or 9). If you search I am sure you will find many examples of such comments.
We never complain about higher scores. Do we?
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09/03/2007 10:31:38 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Voters are also quick to assume the photog is stupid and has made mistakes (rather than doing certain things with a purpose). |
Again I have to disagree with you my friend.
What you are advocating here is sheer speculation that no one can substantiate with anything remotely associated with hard evidence. You assuming that others are assuming, and that my friend is a quantum leap from fact.
I for one never make any form of assumptions as to the mental acuity of the photographer, but rather look at the image proffered, and gauge it in accordance with a set of criteria. If the author of the image failed to convey the proper message, we would be remiss in ascribing intent of the voters, as they are not the conveyor of the message, but rather the interpretor.
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09/03/2007 11:42:19 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Voters are also quick to assume the photog is stupid and has made mistakes (rather than doing certain things with a purpose). |
Again I have to disagree with you my friend.
What you are advocating here is sheer speculation that no one can substantiate with anything remotely associated with hard evidence. You assuming that others are assuming, and that my friend is a quantum leap from fact.
I for one never make any form of assumptions as to the mental acuity of the photographer, but rather look at the image proffered, and gauge it in accordance with a set of criteria. If the author of the image failed to convey the proper message, we would be remiss in ascribing intent of the voters, as they are not the conveyor of the message, but rather the interpretor.
Ray |
I think that you may be wrong here, Ray. At least a little. Most times when someone (like the great hard drive shot here) sees something that is not easily apparent as being of what the challenge calls for, DNMC is immediately posted in the comments. But how often do you see "what a wonderful shot but it still DNMC"? Most times the "why" of the DNMC is explained in full... sometimes painfully, but seldom is the picture itself given any comments. This is because the person rating the photo sees what he/she thinks they see and automatically throw the DNMC in the ring.
i understand that there are a lot of pictures to rate in each of the challenges, but maybe we should all slow down a bit. Maybe instead of shooting for the 100% rated and/or commented on, maybe stopping and really looking at the photographs more and a little more indepth might be nice too. I have seen other shots told they do not meet the challenge, when they actually do.
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09/04/2007 12:01:25 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by Dantzr:
I have seen other shots told they do not meet the challenge, when they actually do. |
There are a ton of shots that got blindly got a DNMC which did actually did meet the challenge...
-dave |
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09/04/2007 12:30:21 AM · #58 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by dknourek:
it's obvious that the focus of the image was the eagle which does not fill every pixel of the photo. If you want to take the challenge literally and to the extreme as some did.
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Focus? I don't see any focus.
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Really, then how can you tell what it is? Sorry if you don't like DNMC voters, but like was said before, opinions are like as*(*&&, everyone has one. Sorry if you don't like mine. Deal with it. |
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09/04/2007 12:33:11 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by dknourek:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
That would mean the top 3 images on the front page DNMC. Along with 90% of the photos in the challenge.
Originally posted by dfstevenson:
It's not that people didn't understand what the subject was or vwhat you were doing with it. You did not fill the frame = DNMC |
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If you take the challenge literally, that's absolutely correct. I was amazed how few of the entries actually DID fill the frame.
R. |
Well without trying to start any wars as I have great respect for alot of the photog's in here but, the pic below from one DNMC'er should have gotten its own DNMC as it's obvious that the focus of the image was the eagle which does not fill every pixel of the photo. If you want to take the challenge literally and to the extreme as some did.
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Not only are you possibly ignorant in the fact as to what this is, but if you had read the title, I think you know that the eagle is not what the photo was refering too. If you can't take plain and simple guidelines literally, then you may recieve many low votes from me in the future. While I know every challenge description is not literal, some are. This was one of them.
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 00:33:40. |
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09/04/2007 12:35:53 AM · #60 |
<=====quietly tip-toes out of the room......
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09/04/2007 12:36:36 AM · #61 |
Too all this may concern,
This is a photography contest. Not every photo submitted here is the best. We are not going to win thousands of dollars here. If you cannot take criticism, don't participate in challenges. Jesus, some of the people here are so whiney. Get over yourselves. I am so tired of hearing about DNMC like it's a sin. If no one wants to get 1's and 2's, have them remove these from the voting scale or take better pics, or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up!
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 00:37:26. |
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09/04/2007 12:42:22 AM · #62 |
Originally posted by cheekymunky:
LOL
I never expected all this controversy! (its my photo BTW!)
I've been meaning to do this shot for ages, for my stock photography. Anyone who submits to shutterstock will notice a similar image (with 1's and 0's reflected) when they upload their images, thats where I got the idea. The refletion is another photograph, printed about 1 inch square and held really close to the disk even at f16 its a bit shallow DOF wise, but was hard to light with smaller apertures.
As for butchering a HD... I work at a University and A LOT of PC's get scrapped, I just did a bit of 'skip-diving' as it were.
I never really complain about my score, sure I'd like to score well but for me its the thrill of the chase and in the hope that over time I'll improve.
Thanks for all your interest, it really has brought a smile to my face!
P.S. If anyone is feeling especially guilty you could purchase an enhanced license HERE!!! |
BTW, I gave you a DNMC, and let me apologize. I knew this was a harddrive, but with the sky reflection on the disk, I figured you had done something to make this effect. I see by your explanation you did, but did not realize it. My apologies for a misinterpretation. |
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09/04/2007 12:42:47 AM · #63 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
...or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
One question for you...
Urban?
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09/04/2007 12:45:40 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Too all this may concern,
This is a photography contest. Not every photo submitted here is the best. We are not going to win thousands of dollars here. If you cannot take criticism, don't participate in challenges. Jesus, some of the people here are so whiney. Get over yourselves. I am so tired of hearing about DNMC like it's a sin. If no one wants to get 1's and 2's, have them remove these from the voting scale or take better pics, or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
LOL I am so not arguing over this but was merely pointing out that to me the OP's photo was very obvious as to what it was. In defense of my post about your photo as with the hard drive, not everyone here may know what an American Silver Dollar mite look like exactly and mite not have comprehended what your title was referring to as DPC is a GLOBAL community. No need to get all bent out of shape, I thought we were having a fairly civil discussion here till now ;)
-dave
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09/04/2007 12:52:57 AM · #65 |
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
...or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
One question for you...
Urban?
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To get technical, this beach is considered in a city, (public beach). But I knew it was a long stretch, and didn't expect much. I just thought it was a cool pic. (Of, relating to, or located in a city)
Message edited by author 2007-09-04 00:55:56. |
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09/04/2007 01:31:17 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
...or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
One question for you...
Urban?
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To get technical, this beach is considered in a city, (public beach). But I knew it was a long stretch, and didn't expect much. I just thought it was a cool pic. (Of, relating to, or located in a city) |
Note to self: If a photo has to be explained, it is either 1) not a quality photo, or 2) probably doesn't meet the challenge, or 3) both 1 and 2 above.
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09/04/2007 07:36:16 AM · #67 |
| I need to go make another bag of popcorn. |
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09/04/2007 08:12:01 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
opinions are like as*(*&&, everyone has one. Sorry if you don't like mine. Deal with it. |
I too am sorry that I don't like your asshole. I'll do my best to deal with it. Do you have an out of focus shot of it so that we might get acquainted?
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Too all this may concern,
This is a photography contest. Not every photo submitted here is the best. We are not going to win thousands of dollars here. If you cannot take criticism, don't participate in challenges. Jesus, some of the people here are so whiney. Get over yourselves. I am so tired of hearing about DNMC like it's a sin. If no one wants to get 1's and 2's, have them remove these from the voting scale or take better pics, or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
I don't think it's the 1's and 2's as much as not taking the time give the photo some thought. However, you are entitled to do whatever you like and I have no problem with it. Just be able to take the same criticism on your own work. Makes you seem "whiney" when you don't. |
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09/04/2007 12:06:26 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by dudephil:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
opinions are like as*(*&&, everyone has one. Sorry if you don't like mine. Deal with it. |
I too am sorry that I don't like your asshole. I'll do my best to deal with it. Do you have an out of focus shot of it so that we might get acquainted?
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Too all this may concern,
This is a photography contest. Not every photo submitted here is the best. We are not going to win thousands of dollars here. If you cannot take criticism, don't participate in challenges. Jesus, some of the people here are so whiney. Get over yourselves. I am so tired of hearing about DNMC like it's a sin. If no one wants to get 1's and 2's, have them remove these from the voting scale or take better pics, or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
I don't think it's the 1's and 2's as much as not taking the time give the photo some thought. However, you are entitled to do whatever you like and I have no problem with it. Just be able to take the same criticism on your own work. Makes you seem "whiney" when you don't. |
Me whiney? I'm in hear responding to things brought up on a challenge pic of mine. I was not originally in here whining about the DNMC's and the fact I didn't win a ribbon. I only came in here to give my point of view. If that makes me whiney, then anything anyone says is considered whiney. I don't fly through and vote without trying to give a pic some thought. I try to vote on every image in any challenge I begin voting on. Sometimes it takes hours. I see what I see, and try to see what they see if it's not self explanatory. Some pics are just not understandable without actually being the person who took it. Sorry you don't like my asshole. It's a nice one. I'm sorry if my point of view doesn't suit all here, but guidelines are just that. If some can't follow it, then they deserve what they get. |
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09/04/2007 12:08:24 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by SecondCurtain:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Originally posted by AperturePriority:
Originally posted by rugman1969:
...or better yet, follow the challenge guidelines. Grow up! |
One question for you...
Urban?
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To get technical, this beach is considered in a city, (public beach). But I knew it was a long stretch, and didn't expect much. I just thought it was a cool pic. (Of, relating to, or located in a city) |
I didn't have to explain it. If you can't see it's a beach, sorry. Beaches are mostly located in cities(Miami Beach, Fort Walton Beach, etc..) Self explanatory.
Note to self: If a photo has to be explained, it is either 1) not a quality photo, or 2) probably doesn't meet the challenge, or 3) both 1 and 2 above. |
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09/04/2007 12:22:22 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
Me whiney? |
Yes.
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I was not originally in here whining about the DNMC's and the fact I didn't win a ribbon. I only came in here to give my point of view. |
That's exactly what the original poster did. It wasn't their own image that they were talking about. You were whiney when it came to defending your own shots that, in many people's eyes, didn't meet the challenge.
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I don't fly through and vote without trying to give a pic some thought. |
Okeydokey.
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I'm sorry if my point of view doesn't suit all here, but guidelines are just that. If some can't follow it, then they deserve what they get. |
I forgive you. |
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09/04/2007 01:01:58 PM · #72 |
| I think a group hug is in order! |
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09/04/2007 04:25:17 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by rugman1969:
I didn't have to explain it. If you can't see it's a beach, sorry. Beaches are mostly located in cities(Miami Beach, Fort Walton Beach, etc..) Self explanatory. |
I don't think that it is voters who need to be educated here.
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09/04/2007 04:28:13 PM · #74 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
The only way to keep everyone happy is medication. Who has the happy pills? |
Woohoo
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It still amazes me how much milage one can squeeze out of one image. :/ |
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09/04/2007 04:42:38 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by Simms:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
Originally posted by Bugzeye:
The only way to keep everyone happy is medication. Who has the happy pills? |
Woohoo
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It still amazes me how much milage one can squeeze out of one image. :/ |
At least he did see the "whine" and bring in the cheese. ;)
Mike
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