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07/18/2007 12:50:24 AM · #1 |
| From my understanding, a portrait would be someone who knows their picture is being taken. A candid is when the person or people don't know. Is this right? If so, would scoring lower for 'candid' like shots be something YOU would do? |
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07/18/2007 12:54:37 AM · #2 |
| Well, it's pretty tough to reach into someone's mind and see if that person "knows" his/her image is being taken. So, candidly, I'd say if it makes a good portrait, give it a good score. |
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07/18/2007 12:55:33 AM · #3 |
Yeah they are different. Voting them down because they aren't challenge material is your call.
I'm hoping the 3 ribbon shots really show off some great lighting technique. If I vote (ha-ha), that will be my main criteria for scoring. |
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07/18/2007 12:55:57 AM · #4 |
A lot of good environmental portraits are shot at least somewhat candidly.
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07/18/2007 12:59:02 AM · #5 |
 candid or staged? |
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07/18/2007 12:59:05 AM · #6 |
I'm with  routerguy666 regarding the lighing being very important in this challenge. The should be showcased "sortof" in the portrait. I think some are looking a bit harsh, but the lighting is definitely natural, lol.
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 00:59:56. |
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07/18/2007 01:07:19 AM · #7 |
| I probably won't be voting on the portrait challenge this week, but to me a portrait "portrays" a person's/persons' (or other creature's) identity. I don't think it matters if they are looking at the camera or not, or if they even know their picture is being taken. In my view, portraits can be candids and candids can be portraits, but a portrait is not always candid. Although.. is a candid is always a portrait? Hmm.. |
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07/18/2007 01:07:58 AM · #8 |
Those who think they are so good that they can tell, with certainty, if a shot is or isn't candid, well, then I guess walking on water is next. The only one that can say is the photographer (for now).
Those that vote a shot down because they think it's candid, well, don't.
It's called benefit of the doubt. Please don't split hairs and be a self-professed authority.
Let's make this a fun place, not a government-regulated nuclear power plant quality assurance program.
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07/18/2007 01:13:07 AM · #9 |
Even if its a candid, how does that make it a non-potrait?
A potrait can very well be candid if that person is your main subject.
What do others think? Correct me if I am wrong. |
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07/18/2007 01:15:34 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by abhinaba:
Even if its a candid, how does that make it a non-portrait?
A portrait can very well be candid if that person is your main subject.
What do others think? Correct me if I am wrong. |
Some of this planet's greatest portraits have been candids.
A portrait is a portrait is a portrait, regardless of the method used to capture it.
A staged, or posed portrait can also be done to look candid for effect.
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 01:16:48.
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07/18/2007 01:18:21 AM · #11 |
If a portrait is a portrait is a portrait, why do challenges keep popping up titled 'candid' and 'portrait'?
Again, I could really give a shit and I'm hoping the focus will be on lighting. Which it won't, but I can still hope. |
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07/18/2007 01:21:08 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Some of this planet's greatest portraits have been candids.
A portrait is a portrait is a portrait, regardless of the method used to capture it. |
Brad, please do not confuse things by spelling it out to people. |
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07/18/2007 01:21:58 AM · #13 |
(not directed at anyone)
What are these? Candids or Portraits?
Or are they Candid Portraits?
  
In each case, they knew I was taking pics of them - it was planned.
I wanted candid expressions, but it's still a portrait.
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 01:31:58.
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07/18/2007 01:22:28 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
If a portrait is a portrait is a portrait, why do challenges keep popping up titled 'candid' and 'portrait'? |
"Candid" describes a method of taking the photo. "Portrait" describes a type of photo.
Regardless of how each person defines those, there's no conflict.
There can be both candid and non-candid portraits. There can also be both portrait and non-portrait candids.
Thus, both candids and portraits pop up because Langdon is challenging us in different ways.
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 01:23:46.
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07/18/2007 01:26:34 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
If a portrait is a portrait is a portrait, why do challenges keep popping up titled 'candid' and 'portrait'?
Again, I could really give a shit and I'm hoping the focus will be on lighting. Which it won't, but I can still hope. |
c'mon man, a candid can be anything that isnt staged be it a portrait a street scene a grown man taking a crap in a corner.. whatever. why does everything need to be a formula?
like brad said "a portrait is a portrait is a portrait" |
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07/18/2007 01:28:50 AM · #16 |
| Here, man, in case you missed it the first time - I could really give a shit. |
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07/18/2007 01:30:47 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by routerguy666:
Here, man, in case you missed it the first time - I could really give a shit. |
And now we know the rest of the story. :-)
I agree with you though that I hope it's more about the lighting.
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07/18/2007 01:37:43 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by levyj413:
Originally posted by routerguy666:
If a portrait is a portrait is a portrait, why do challenges keep popping up titled 'candid' and 'portrait'? |
"Candid" describes a method of taking the photo. "Portrait" describes a type of photo.
Regardless of how each person defines those, there's no conflict.
There can be both candid and non-candid portraits. There can also be both portrait and non-portrait candids.
Thus, both candids and portraits pop up because Langdon is challenging us in different ways. |
portrait can also mean the orientation of the photo :P!;-)
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07/18/2007 01:41:28 AM · #19 |
People who are thinking "portraits" can't be "candid" are confusing "portrait" with "formal portrait". There are many subdivisions of portraiture, including candid, formal, environmental, and emotive. Nothing in the challenge requires a particular style of portrait, just that the portrait be accomplished using only natural light.
Which, of course, makes this a very good challenge for "candid portraiture", which pretty much by definition is a natural-light enterprise.
R.
Message edited by author 2007-07-18 01:41:56.
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07/25/2007 12:33:43 AM · #20 |
Candid snapshot.
But also very much a portrait.
Not every candid can be, or would strongly qualify as a portrait, but when a candid is strong, and can tell a story, such as this candid did, well, then it crosses over to being a portrait of a man, his life, his character.
Maybe the only reason for bringing this back up, is how ridiculous stereotyping and prejudging challenges can be before or during the challenge. The nit-picking of technicalities has gone way too far in my opinion.
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 00:40:03.
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07/25/2007 12:47:01 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by Brad:
Candid snapshot.
But also very much a portrait.
Not every candid can be, or would strongly qualify as a portrait, but when a candid is strong, and can tell a story, such as this candid did, well, then it crosses over to being a portrait of a man, his life, his character. |
It is a great shot and does have a strong story about it. It is a portrait of a man, but how did this look before the crop and post processing. Did it have the same impact?
IMO this is no longer a snapshot nor a candid because we can not see who/what the gentleman is interacting with but instead we are presented the gentleman up close and personal to study.
ED: Extra word
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 00:47:52. |
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07/25/2007 12:50:23 AM · #22 |
 Just a point & click moment.
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 00:51:20.
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07/25/2007 12:50:50 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by awpollard:
we can not see who/what the gentleman is interacting with but instead we are presented the gentleman up close and personal to study.
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That does not change the fact that its a candid image.
Edit to add, cool colours in the original too Brad :)
Message edited by author 2007-07-25 00:51:33. |
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07/25/2007 12:57:46 AM · #24 |
I hope one day the challenges can be so precise in their descriptions so no one gets into the semantics of what is/isn't meant (yeah - like a 215 word challenge description would work) or members here can stop picking, and just let their hair down and enjoy the art form that it is.
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