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12/10/2003 01:52:42 PM · #1 |
| Hi, I am a bit confused on the rules for Open Challenges. I see that Members can manipulate their photos during December, but I do not see anything that says Open Challenges can have manipulation. And, I was voting on Simplicity, and saw quite a few manipulated photos. Are they in the right or wrong for doing so? I am confused... |
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12/10/2003 01:57:36 PM · #2 |
They're wrong for doing so. Open challenge rules remain as the standard rules ever were. Recommend a DQ for them.
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12/10/2003 02:06:26 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by e301:
They're wrong for doing so. |
This isn't necessarily correct. Global editing is not against the rules. |
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12/10/2003 02:26:36 PM · #4 |
I think some people here are not reading and understanding what the challenges are about sometimes. I posted my photo for "simplicity", it is getting horrible scores. The photo is about as simple as you can get...just point and shoot, it has soft focus for effect..but it is doing worse than my last entry...which was so dark you could barely see it. It is just barely above 3 right now...and I just knew it would do so much better than the last one. My current photo fits everything...I'm just very upset over how bad it is doing...but I will try harder next time. My entry for money was outscored by entries that included "MONEY"...which was, I thought, a NO NO.
Clarity of expression; lack of sophistication; absence of complexity; plainness. Capture the essence of simplicity in your photograph. |
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12/10/2003 03:37:29 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Truegsht:
I think some people here are not reading and understanding what the challenges are about sometimes. I posted my photo for "simplicity", it is getting horrible scores. The photo is about as simple as you can get...just point and shoot, it has soft focus for effect..but it is doing worse than my last entry...which was so dark you could barely see it. It is just barely above 3 right now...and I just knew it would do so much better than the last one. My current photo fits everything...I'm just very upset over how bad it is doing...but I will try harder next time. My entry for money was outscored by entries that included "MONEY"...which was, I thought, a NO NO.
Clarity of expression; lack of sophistication; absence of complexity; plainness. Capture the essence of simplicity in your photograph. |
I agree wholehearted!
Some people had used DPC to show your photos and had posted it in any challenge. The only thing they had done is put some title acording to the challenge title and so on. The money photos with the "money" there was the upset! This is why I had rated so low many photographs. |
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12/10/2003 03:39:57 PM · #6 |
| One thing that improve the teory about people that don´t read the challenges and the rules are that most of pictures are posted in a last minute as possible. |
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12/10/2003 04:18:22 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by mirdonamy:
Hi, I am a bit confused on the rules for Open Challenges. I see that Members can manipulate their photos during December, but I do not see anything that says Open Challenges can have manipulation. And, I was voting on Simplicity, and saw quite a few manipulated photos. Are they in the right or wrong for doing so? I am confused... |
If you see something that violates the rules for the open challenge, by all means use the DQ process... that's the way to do it :) |
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12/10/2003 04:25:39 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by Truegsht:
I think some people here are not reading and understanding what the challenges are about sometimes. I posted my photo for "simplicity", it is getting horrible scores. The photo is about as simple as you can get...just point and shoot, it has soft focus for effect..but it is doing worse than my last entry...which was so dark you could barely see it. It is just barely above 3 right now...and I just knew it would do so much better than the last one. My current photo fits everything...I'm just very upset over how bad it is doing...but I will try harder next time. My entry for money was outscored by entries that included "MONEY"...which was, I thought, a NO NO.
Clarity of expression; lack of sophistication; absence of complexity; plainness. Capture the essence of simplicity in your photograph. |
Hang in there! It's just the first day of voting. Your shot is bound to go up & down before it's all over!
Good luck for the next six days!
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12/10/2003 05:12:30 PM · #9 |
| I'm new here and love this site. Often, I see people talking about seeing voting while in progress and watching their scores go up and down. Where do I find this scoring? |
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12/10/2003 05:15:30 PM · #10 |
| After entering a challenge there should be a box on the left hand side of the main page with the heading "My Stats". There it shows the name of the submission, the number of votes, the average vote, the number of comments, and when the scores were updated. |
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12/10/2003 05:17:48 PM · #11 |
| You may have to go to My Preferences and check the option to "Show scores during voting." Your score will then display on the main page, updated once/hour. If you become a paid member, you will also have a link available to update your score at any time. |
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12/10/2003 05:58:24 PM · #12 |
| Thanks general and techno.....I have it now. |
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12/10/2003 06:26:28 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by Truegsht:
I think some people here are not reading and understanding what the challenges are about sometimes. I posted my photo for "simplicity", it is getting horrible scores. The photo is about as simple as you can get...just point and shoot, it has soft focus for effect..but it is doing worse than my last entry...which was so dark you could barely see it. It is just barely above 3 right now...and I just knew it would do so much better than the last one. My current photo fits everything...I'm just very upset over how bad it is doing...but I will try harder next time. My entry for money was outscored by entries that included "MONEY"...which was, I thought, a NO NO.
Clarity of expression; lack of sophistication; absence of complexity; plainness. Capture the essence of simplicity in your photograph. |
Since I don't know your photo, I can't speak directly to it, but "capturing the essence of simplicity" doesn't mean (at least to me) taking a simple point-and-shoot picture. There are lots of entries in this challenge that have lots of visual "noise" in them (not the photographic kind) - stuff, clutter, too many details - and that takes away from any sense of simplicity to me. How much, and to what effect on my score, depends on the shot. So if you thought simplicity meant taking a "simple" shot in terms of your own effort, I think you missed the point a bit. |
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12/10/2003 07:07:13 PM · #14 |
Scott, I noticed that 'noise' too. I don't have a shot in Simplicity but I was shocked at how cluttered the thumbnails all looked to me at a glance.
I was really expecting some incredible work and I've only seen a few that have really caught my eye and that seem to have captured the essence of the brief. Amazing. |
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12/10/2003 07:13:53 PM · #15 |
I have a long exposure shot I have in mind (just waiting for a challenge it would actually fit in) that I know won't go well in the members challenges because I think a lot of people would think its edited a bunch. I guess I'll have to wait for a challenge it fits to find out... then I have to take the picture and have it turn out like I want it too, I think thats the real challenge.. lol.
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12/11/2003 01:11:43 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
This isn't necessarily correct. Global editing is not against the rules. |
Not all global editing is allowed. You cannot use the effect filters.
From the rules page: "However, no effects filters may be applied to your image, with the exception of Noise and Gaussian blur, the two of which are allowed" |
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12/11/2003 01:16:15 AM · #17 |
You know what I've always been wondering? Is despeckle allowed?
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12/11/2003 10:10:29 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by spoons:
Is despeckle allowed? |
Why wouldn't it? Given, "Any filter or stand-alone utility designed and used to preserve the integrity of the image and/or reduce the effects of noise, scratches, etc, are permitted. These include but are not limited to the Sharpen, Unsharp Mask, and Dust & Scratches filters, and standalone image cleanup utilities such as NeatImage." it sounds like it is perfectly legal. |
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12/14/2003 08:27:03 AM · #19 |
I submitted a photo for "Simplicity" and it was recommended for disqualification. All I did was rotate it a bit, nothing else.
I'm new to dpchallenge and wonder why I was accused of cheating?
The photo isn't likely to win anything, it's averaging 5.1 in scoring. |
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12/14/2003 08:55:58 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by dirtkahuna:
I'm new to dpchallenge and wonder why I was accused of cheating? |
Things like that happen here. My Book titles photo had a DQ request, too, although I have only used legal processes on it. Voters are strange sometimes, don't care about it. Just always keep the original photo (+ remember all processes you have done to your photo) and there won't be trouble.
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12/14/2003 09:15:22 AM · #21 |
I jus received a summon for the original image of my "Simplicity" entry too...
I did send it and listed down the step i took to get the final image. However, I Would like to ask, when explaining do we need to go down to the precision bits? like the precise number of how much increase to contrast, or Precisely how much cyan bias had been tweaked to it, right down to the numerics??? I dun remember it ( i mean who will record all these numbers??) and i didn state them, will it result in a disqualification? I am worried.
I will be really disappointed if my image is disqualified as this was an image I did the least tweaking so far... |
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12/14/2003 09:17:18 AM · #22 |
Don't worry, you don't need the exact figures, just the steps you took.
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12/14/2003 05:20:20 PM · #23 |
Simplicity got me. I turned myself in because I misread the rules. Thanks to the forum for the heads up. I thought I could burn in an open challenge and did so on a tiny (1/8" x1/4") area. When I read the rules again, I turned myself in. In the mail from DP I found that I too had already been recommended for DQ. I was surprised as it was so tiny. Just wanted to be honest. I will read more closely. Thanks
Message edited by author 2003-12-14 17:21:17.
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12/14/2003 05:58:39 PM · #24 |
All the more reason to become a Member! (per the other thread). Members get the more fun challenges!
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12/14/2003 06:14:52 PM · #25 |
I still maintain that a free-editing challenge causes more problems than it solves.
I've noticed that people are now presuming that unusual elements in a shot may represent a Photoshop filter or effect. This is annoying, since everyone should be presuming that entries constitute 'photographic integrity' rather than cheap tricks in editing programs.
To presume that an image is founded upon a filter defeats the object of improving photographic skills and it seems that some voters are now unsure what is 'real' and what is edited. This dilutes the voting process and limits the freedom to push boundaries, try unusual techniques and be creative while at the same time, perhaps, getting a decent score. |
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